Okay. So the new ep. I was so mad about this line from Stolas I can't lie: "I didn't realize you think so low of me"

Oh really? What reasons have you given him to think highly of you Stolas? You:

A) Gave Blitz a choice between his career or having sex with you (Blitz's career also supports his daughter and the other IMP employees, their well being was on the line too). And to boot, this proposition took place while Blitz was in a high pressure scenario being hunted down by a crazy serial murderer human trying to kill him. Which Stolas was aware of and watching. He chose that moment to make his proposition and laud the grimoire over Blitz's head.

B) Constantly make weird fetishy remarks about Blitz's species/race, calling him an impish little plaything and "itty bitty". Also while being weird towards other imps too, using your butler as a stress toy and calling Moxxie, Millie and other random imps "little ones" all the time.

C) After the power imbalance of controlling his business was set up by you, you proceeded to constantly toy with Blitz despite how much he resisted and showed he clearly doesn't like it. You give him an annoying demeaning pet name he didn't ask for with the "Blitzie" shit. You make crude sexual remarks that make him uncomfortable and make them in front of others too, humiliating him in front of both strangers and people he is close to. You grab at his face condescendingly. You idly use him as an ash tray. You treat him with a completely disrespectful degrading demeanor and there is nothing he can do or say about it that will make you stop - in Loo Loo land when Blitz expresses that he does not want you to attempt to solicit sex that day from him you respond "You are so cute when you are serious" like its funny hes mad about that. All of this unwanted sexual attention is to the point Blitz has a panic button for when YOU specifically show up at his office like what else is there to say really.

D) You also treat your daughter like shit. You chase Blitz instead of focusing on her even though shes clearly very mentally ill and struggling. You make weird sexual remarks about Blitz, the guy who you're cheating on your wife with which is causing chaotic familial breakdown in the home Octavia has to live in (and Octavia KNOWS its Blitz specifically that you're cheating with she is very aware). She is clearly constantly uncomfortable and yet you put her through that several times Stolas.

Then you try to do the right thing and free Blitz. Good, great, a step in the right direction. But when hes so unused to you respecting him and thinks you must be lying you have a whiny little breakdown and storm off about it.

BUT NO WONDER BLITZ THOUGHT IT WAS SOME KIND OF FUCKING JOKE AND THEN WAS LIKE WTF YOU STUPID FUCK. Look at everything you've done holy shit! I felt Blitz's "What the fuck" in my soul. What is with this shows attempts since S2 at a weird perversion of the truth. What is with this pathetic poor me I'm just a poor widdle victim! Act from Stolas. Its just so gross its disgusting.

Stolas was born with his wealth. He was born with immense wealth, connections, authority, and physical power. He never has had to comprehend making the kinds of choices Blitz has had to in order to make rent. And Stolas actively exploited Blitz's class. He actively exploited it along with Blitz's obligations to his employees and daughter, those he loves, to get sex out of him. And then when Blitz sees him for what he is he is a self victimizing baby over it. How slimy can you get?

Viv, where is the chicken?

WHERE IS THE CHICKEN Viv, vaguely even where is it?

Also she's uncomfortable again. Would you also be uncomfortable addressing your allegations of workplace abuse, missgendered employees/people, your transphobic discord messages, stealing the ideas of others, being ace-phobic, your Nazi ocs, your art trades with "i hate jewce", your speaking over & disregarding the voices of SA survivors, defending a employee with a r*pe kink & lying about said employee being a survivor when in his own words he states he isn't and so much more, you know just before we move on Vivienne.

Charlie saving Angel Dust or if she was more demonic ahahah

its kinda trash

I have such a massive problem with woman in fantasy being dressed in such impractical outfits for the pure sake of looking cool. genshin inpact has this problem too. The outfit dont have anything to the characters, nothing to tell a story or help in battle, it's just meant to be a pretty outfit. i have nothing against stylisation, stylisation is absolutely amazing and gives so much character, but "looking cool" just for the sake of looking cool isn't a good enough reason for this character to have absolutely no bodily protection during a WAR.

Hazbin was not good, the only character that didn't fall flat in every possible way was Angle. and even then we got absolutely no closure for his situation. Obviously u can't expect a whole show to be done in six episodes, but it's one season and the resolution wasn't even a resolution

We have so many more questions and absolutely no answers.

can we also talk about how trash the pacing was?? at any given point i had no idea how urgent the situation was, it suddenly jumped to one month being left and there where no signs anything had changed for the characters or world. It feels like first four episodes happen in a week, time jump to one month, time jump to a week, time jump to the day of. honestly the ending of the season would have been so much better as the series end in concept. give us Husk gambling for Angle's soul, it would feel so much more balanced and given us a realistic resolution.

Give me redeemable villains or give me death. All of the heaven-bros are fascists with no redeemable qualities. we get one, who is clearly meant to be the one we root for of the sara's, but her mom-thing is literally justifying racism so hard it's impossible to feel empathy for her.

the pilot is still CARRYING the plot and community even though it's not cannon and only 30 minutes

this series is kinda irredemable and i'm so sad about it

Dude the pacing was the worse part of the series, the series doesn’t let us actually breathe and let us process what’s happening in each episode without actually having to pause it.

And bc didn’t know the pacing was gonna be that ass, I felt like I probably had the biggest whiplash I had watching a series. And that never really happens a lot.

And also yeah I can honestly agree that the series gave us a lot more to be desired, and even when they do try give us something about the characters and the world building it just doesn’t make sense or just feels overall outta place.

And the fact that vivziepop claimed this show was supposed to be a “critique on Christianity” and yet the series just portrays heaven to be obviously evil with no subtlety JUST so they can have us sympathize with the demons even though almost all of them are just fine being in hell and just doubling down on what they did on earth is just… stupid imo.

I feel like it should really say something if people prefer THE PILOT more than your ACTUAL SHOW, was the pilot perfect? No, but it was definitely better than what we got for sure.

Honestly I can understand you finding the series to be irredeemable, bc honestly I do too. Even though I’m someone who wants to rewrite everything about this trash fire of a series.

It’s honestly sad that a series had such potential to be so good but yet what we got was this coupled with a creator that can’t take the slightest of criticism, it really is.

Massive trigger warning: mentions of suicide, mental health and cyberbullying.

So something horrific just happened in the Hazbin fandom, less than a month ago. Someone committed suicide. Here is the document that goes into detail about what happened, full context. With screenshots.

This was a Hazbin Fan that supported Viviziepop. They financially supported the show and they expressed their enjoyment in the new voice actors. In summary: This fan had a Radiodust ship going on but they were brutally harassed for not shipping Husker and Angel Dust together. Which was a notably big deal in the fandom because the two characters had chemistry, I suppose. Huskerdust shippers harrassed them relentlessly into a state of crisis that unfortunately had them end their life over this.

The main problem here is the harassment that's been enabled by this fandom- but this isn't the first time this has happened in fandoms. The Steven Universe fandom had a similar incident that almost had someone take their life. Which is fucking ridiculous because I'm constantly humbled by the real world and it's issues and seeing this bullshit fucking baffles me.

While I don't believe this is Vivizepops fault for what happened, I also think its fucking irresponsible for her to ignore this and to not condemn harassment and cyberbullying over a ship. I would be furious if I was in Vivizepop's position. There is absolutely no reason to ever bully someone this far into committing suicide because you don't agree with their ship preferences.

It's also just a privileged first-world issue to even be angry over. You're telling me that you're upset because someone else ships two characters that aren't HuskerDust? Get the fuck over yourself. Grow the fuck up.

There are people who are homeless and starving on the streets right now, there are people being fucking killed over in Europe right now. Then I come on here and find out people are more angry over someone not shipping their stupid favourite characters together, it's so fucking ridiculous and absurd to be pissed over that.. I bring this up because it's a brutal contrast to where peoples priorities lie vs what their priorities should be.

You're telling me you're more angry over a stupid ship than seeing real people die right now? Hah, you're a fucking joke.

There are WORSE issues to genuinely be angry at that might help change the world for the better. There are bigger REAL issues in the world, and your priority is to attack someone over a stupid FICTIONAL ship into killing themselves? You literally have nothing better to do with your life that you decide to attack someone else over a ship? Fucking embarrassing and fucking sick. I hope this serves as a brutal reality check for any HuskerDust/or any shipper reading this that contributed to this person's death. You're a privileged brat that has never suffered a severe harsh dose of reality and you're an embarrassment to the human race.

This has me infuriated and extremely upset for this person, because this death did not have to happen. This person did not have to die like this, this death could have been prevented if the fandom was humble.

Wtf is wrong with people…

Idk if someone showed this already but incase no one has yet, here’s the image the anon was referring to!

He was originally gonna be a cross dressing gender fluid man that had female personas but it was announced in a desc that unfortunately it was removed by viv when she posted this speed paint

We were truly robbed from the idea of having a gay gender fluid char, it’s sad

Charlie Morningstar is probably one of the worst written characters I’ve seen in the series.

(This one’s gonna be a long one…)

Ok…. So I watched all six episodes and to be honest I’m pretty much pissed off by this character specifically. This might be more of a rant rather than a critique, so I do understand that not everything I say in this will end up being as constructive exactly but I genuinely need to get this off my chest, especially since she is a character I’ve specifically and recently been hyper fixating on before the show released…

(Side note: I realized the post was very long so, to have it be easier to read I added titles for each section! Hope this helps)

!!WARNING FOR SPOILERS FOR THE SERIES BTW!!

> Charlie lacks the qualities of being a main character.

Now besides the piss poor excuse of an introduction for her (and the rest of the cast) in the main series, I honestly question why exactly Charlie specifically is the “protagonist” in the first place (and I say protagonist with the biggest of quotes here, you’ll see why).

In the first episode of the series “overture”, we don’t really see much of her character, most of the time we’re shown screen time of Vicky (a nickname I made for v*ggie since I’m not gonna call her by her genitalia thank you) trying to make an ad for the hotel and even when we do get the screen time of her, she’s barely doing anything other than hearing viv’s self insert- I mean- Adam just go on and on about whatever he’s talking about.

And when Charlie does go on to explain her plan to redeem sinners she’s just interrupted and then stands there when they start singing hell is forever, she doesn’t “go off” like the hazbin Twitter says, she just stands there and then tries to say something only to get interrupted again and again and then gets pushed out of the meeting room before going back to the hotel to see it’s spread across in the news that the next extermination happens in 6 months.

Now although one might argue “Well didn’t Charlie at one point said in the show that giving orders is so mean?” Well yes but again, Charlie is literally the princess of pride ring, you would think that since her parents are literally rulers of pride, they would’ve probably teach her how to stand on her two feat, especially if your RUNNING A HOTEL. And the thing is, she has stood up and did so in episode 6 and the goddamn pilot (which is at this point is probably canon due to Charlie calling it the hazbin hotel instead of happy hotel), even going as far as to fight Katie Killjoy because she thought it was stupid.

Not only that but the episodes after overture, her screen time lessens until somewhat in 5 and 6. She doesn’t really appear that much in the between these episodes to the point where she feels like a supporting character rather than a protagonist. And when she does get screen time, she’s either forgettable at best and infuriating at worst.

> Charlie’s character is poorly written and just dumb.

In the episodes past overture, she’s literally rock solid stupid that I literally screamed in real life multiple times “you’re a fucking idiot” because of how frustrated I was from what she was doing, In episode 2 she literally trusted sir pentious to go to her hotel even though he almost destroyed her place and in episode 6 thought it was a hunky dory idea to let a person who literally exploded buildings to take charge of giving her employees a “good time”. Yes it could be played off as her being naive but if she’s that naive of a person then maybe she shouldn’t be a boss of a hotel to rehabilitate sinners.

Heck, in episode 4, Charlie gets pissed off and turns into her demon form because val literally started hurting Angel when he followed him into the room (and rightfully so) but when angel tells her to leave and drags her out of the studio, she’s just in her normal form and fucks off??? Reminder she’s literally the princess of hell! She could beat the shit out of val if she wants to, why did she just fucked off after angel had her leave?

“But Kat, what if something bad happens to angel if valentino dies?” Like what? If it was explained that if an overlord dies then the sinners that made a deal with them die too or something like that then yeah, that would make sense but we don’t know that whether or not that’s the case, if anything angel could be just fine after Valentino dies but we don’t know that.

And even when Charlie had the opportunity to go out there and apologize to him herself after he stormed out of the hotel, she and Vicky just send Husk to do it. And I have to ask, WHY? HUSK didn’t know what was happening to Angel earlier. HUSK wasn’t at the porn studio that Angel was working at. CHARLIE WAS….

“Well Kat, what if Charlie was scared about making things worse?” Fair enough, but again sending Husk is a stupid idea, I feel like it would’ve AT LEAST made sense if she sent Vicky out there. Because Charlie didn’t know if husk could fight (if you could even call it that, all he did was throw cards at people), BUT SHE KNEW VICKY COULD THOUGH. But nah we gotta do it for the ship right?

And then Charlie had the gull to be crying that angel forgave her after she fucked up, like shut the fuck up… it’s like if viv looked at a bunch of chars that had the optimistic care-free ‘ish personality and thought that meant making her as pathetic as a baby crying that they didn’t get a lollipop from their mommy.

Like I’m gonna be honest with you, it’s literally gone to a point where I think Orel Puppington (aka the 11 yo Christian kid who worships Jesus and gets harmful lessons from other Christians) makes a better Charlie Morningstar than the Charlie Morningstar herself!

And that thought is justified when he tried to go help people in Sinville, “Kat he ended up turning into a pimp at the end of the episode” yeah but AT LEAST HE TRIED TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING! Which leads me to another question….

> How is Charlie gonna redeem sinners exactly???

Like honestly, I’m serous with this one. How is Charlie gonna redeem these guys?

I ask this because in the series, she barely does ANYTHING to help these guys, she and the rest of the characters just sit around and then do an activity that is the equivalent of something you would do in kindergarten except it’s with ADULTS.

I don’t know about you but If your idea of helping people is doing just that and nothing else, then the only thing the people around you are gonna get is them being annoyed at first and eventually walking out with thinking your not helping them but rather just treating them like a baby who doesn’t know anything, and the only thing your gonna get personally is nothing because you did dick all.

Like other than that she pretty much just whines about sinners not going to her hotel and oh gee I wonder why, it’s not like your not doing anything to help these sinners not committing sins anymore, oh definitely not, your absolutely being helpful.

“Oh but Kat! Charlie was born in hell, how can she know how to help people? She’s not from the human world so, she wouldn’t exactly know how to help these people!” I would tell you to look at the world building for the series and it’s spin off but that’s a whole other can of beans that I don’t wanna cover today and this is already getting to long, so y’know what? We’ll go with that.

If Charlie didn’t know how to help people and was trying to figure out what she can do to help sinners get better, then why didn’t she just ask her employees for suggestions? Y’know, the other sinners who were from the human world and had experiences while they were alive and such?

Yeah, I get that not all of their advice would be exactly good or healthy (since they’re sinners who’ve done many bad things after all) BUT ITS AT LEAST SOMETHING FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

She literally does nothing, she just expects you to immediately get better after some improvisations or whatever other activities she does and once you’ve done one nice thing then boom you’re close to redemption.

> Conclusion.

Charlie Morningstar is (like I said in the beginning) probably one of the worst characters in the hazbin hotel series, she at best a stereotype of the “everything is sunshines and rainbows” character tropes and at worst is a pathetic excuse of a main character and is nothing but a rotten shell of her character from the pilot.

I would go on about how her design’s also bad but I’m sure millions of people have already said the same issues and I’ve already posted my redesign of her before the show dropped.

I might plan on posting a rewrite of her or maybe explain my problems with another character or episode but I don’t know.

But until then, I’ll see y’all later!

Angel dust should have been the main character tbh. He’s like one of the only good characters in the entire show…

To be honest I can see where your coming from with this, but also part of me feels like it won’t exactly change much in the series.

Like don’t get me wrong, the idea of a main character trying to get better and overcome their struggles (i.e his drug addiction etc etc..) would be very interesting to watch in theory if done right.

But even then, despite Angel being prob the most developed and somewhat more bearable to watch out of everyone in the main cast, he still has at least a handful of writing issues just like the rest of the characters that could be improved.

sketched a small angel dust redesign a while back i don't think i ever posted it. was reminded of it after my other hazbin designs started getting attention again. i did touch up the design a bit from the original sketches they were kinda bleh

Yep, I think I'm done with Vivziepop, like... she OBVIOUSLY fucking liked a post that featured things to boyscott and yet, she went to DisneyLand 💀

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