We have always seen how Kagami gives love advice to Marinette, now when do we see Luka giving love advice to Adrien?

Will he? Or nah since Luka wants to pursue Marinette too? Eh?

I mean, he did literally drag Marinette over to Adrien in Wishmaker, and then started serenading them with music after giving both of them life advice. So, he’s definitely shipping the love square as the only person now who knows it’s a square. 

music can’t save you from this one, luka

(LISTEN to me, zag. LISTEN to me. this is a JOKE. this is a CRACK prediction of where season 4 is headed. this isn’t an ACTUAL prediction. you hear me? this isn’t… ACTUALLY what i think is going to happen. because it wont. …right? right????)

Adrien just outted his father as Hawkmoth... and didn’t even know it!  Luka needs more training to deal with this shit. I’m not sure if he should talk to Adrien or Ladybug first. But man... it’s a lot!  

sus

Guys! I die laughing EVERY TIME I see this. It never gets old!! I just! It’s so funny! 

And I know I’ve already reblogged it, but you need to see it again! So that you can die laughing every time, too!! 

sus

I’m okay with Luka knowing their identities and not telling Ladybug about it for a few reasons.

1.) He’s not using his knowledge to his own benefit. 

The issue that I had with Adrien in the alternate timeline of Chat Blanc is that he used his knowledge of Ladybug’s civilian identity to his own advantage in order to date her. True, Marinette was happy that she was able to finally date Adrien—but she wasn’t privy as to why his feelings for her changed (or seemed to change, at least) the way they did, which means that entire relationship was founded on a lie. It was underhanded and manipulative and while Adrien didn’t mean any harm by it, it was still wrong.

So if in a future episode we see Luka take advantage of this information in a similar way without telling either of them, then yeah, I’ll have an issue with it. But as it stands now, he’s just keeping the secrets to himself and not doing anything with it. And given his personality, I’d be really surprised if he used the information to his advantage in a future episode.

2.) There really isn’t an easy answer here.

Let’s say that he did tell the truth and admit to Ladybug that he knew hers and Chat Noir’s identities. What then?

The first possibility is that it could have been used, from a writing standpoint, to show him acting in self-interest. Marinette being unable to share this secret was what led to the two of them breaking up. He could have easily said, “I know your secret, so let’s get back together now!” This would have been problematic because a.) it would be Luka using the knowledge to his own benefit, and b.) it doesn’t really solve the issue because Ladybug / Marinette didn’t tell him herself, but rather, he found out in the heat of battle. (More on this in a second.) Luka and Marinette split up because she couldn’t trust him with the truth, not because he didn’t know it. Those are two very similar, but still separate things. And Luka finding out the truth via Second Chance doesn’t solve that.

Second, it would lead to more stress for Marinette. As it stands now, she doesn’t know that Luka knows, so she’s not worried about whether or not he can keep the secret. But if she knew that Luka knows, then—since she has no way of erasing his memory that we’re aware of—she would spend her time stressing out over whether he would tell someone, whether he could be compromised, or any other number of things. Marinette is already stressed to the max as it is, and she doesn’t need yet another thing to worry about. That doesn’t mean that keeping the truth from her is necessarily the right move to make, but it does mean that going, “Actually yeah, I know who both you and Chat Noir are lol” isn’t exactly going to solve the issue at hand, which is that someone else found out. All it would do is stress Marinette out further, which might not be necessary since Luka is trustworthy (as far as we know) and Marinette can’t exactly guard him 24/7 to make sure that he doesn’t get compromised any more than she could do that for Alya.

3.) I think Luka might want to give Marinette the chance to tell him herself.

I mean, this is her secret identity. It’s not his secret to blurt out. And while he does already know, he can’t exactly fix that. He can’t Second Chance that away. But he can keep it a secret that he knows so that Marinette, when she’s ready for him to know, can tell him herself. Whether he would be like “yeah I been knew lol” at that point or not is up for debate, though I don’t think he would (though Marinette might also be able to tell anyway). Luka might be looking at it from a, “She’ll tell me when she’s ready” perspective, and given the type of person Luka is, I think he’d prefer to give her that space to reach that point on her own, rather than being like, “Hey I already know your biggest secret lol” which, again, would cause her a lot of stress and other negative feelings, which is the last thing that Luka wants, given that he canonically just wants Marinette to be happy.

Now, does this mean that he’s being 100% ethical? No. And does it mean that this choice won’t come back to bite him at some point? Also no. But I think that he made this choice with the best of intentions, that telling Marinette wouldn’t exactly make things easier for her either, and that the fact that he’s not using this knowledge to his advantage means that he’s still OK in my book. I mean, as a Lukanette shipper, I would be way more upset if he pulled the, “I know your secret, let’s date now” card. That would actually taint the ship for me. As it is now, though, he’s still okay. He may be making a mistake, but he’s allowed to make mistakes as a human person, and his intentions are still pure, as far as I’m concerned. All that’s left now is to see how it plays out.

Something else I just thought of: Luka can be sure that him telling Marinette would stress her out because he knows that she doesn’t trust him with that information.

This ties into both points two and three. In “Truth”, when Luka asks Marinette to tell him what’s going on, he tells her that she can trust him. She then says that she can’t. That’s when he gets akumatized. He’s not akumatized because Marinette is keeping something from him, but rather because she doesn’t trust him with what’s troubling her. Again, these are two related, yet different things. Yes, his akuma form was forcing everyone to reveal their secrets and demanding to know what Marinette was keeping from him, but that’s also because he was a supervillain, his original feelings were warped and twisted by Shadowmoth. In reality, Luka’s issue was that Marinette didn’t trust him, and his feelings were hurt because of it. That was the entire reason for their breakup.

So to go back to that, Luka already knows that Marinette doesn’t trust him to keep this secret. If he told her that he knows, she’s going to panic because she can’t do anything to undo the fact that he knows. He can tell her, “You can trust me” until he’s blue in the face, but that won’t make her believe him. After all, he already told her that she can trust him once, and she didn’t believe him then. So again, from his perspective, keeping it a secret even from her for now is likely the best course of action, because this way she has peace of mind and he knows that he won’t ever betray her (or Adrien) willingly.

luka's pep talk for mari and adrien taking notes at the back

(im beginning to have feelings for luka)

luka knows that adrien and marinette know who viperion is but adrien and marinette don’t know that luka knows who ladybug and chat noir are

…does luka know that adrien and marinette don’t know who ladybug and chat noir are?

You can extend this as far as you want! Luka knows that Ladybug knows that Adrien knows who Viperion is. But does Luka know that Chat Noir shouldn’t know who Viperion is but does so anyway, which Ladybug does not know?

Actually, Chat Noir saw viperion detransform in Miracle Queen at the very beginning of the battle. Ladybug should know that Chat (and Hawkmoth) know who Viperion is now.

Just to put all my thoughts in one spot, and to give some people some peace of mind about Luka knowing: 

I said this in my Lukadrien post, but Luka represents someone that understands that the world hasn’t exactly always been fair to him specifically or to others for that matter, and he understands that better than either Marinette or Adrien do. He has a clear view of what he wants and processes the things he doesn’t quite understand through music. It’s just how he communicates with and understands the world and the problems it throws his way.

Keep reading

what should’ve happened when chat noir got hit in wishmaker

It’s also hard to say what fits the narrative until you see the whole season!!

People were so mad at Adrien in the season three premeire (Chameleon) and then by the time they saw Ladybug, it was like, “oh! He learned stuff!!”

Just sayin’!

... am I really the only one that's kinda just... ok with Luka finding out?

Definitely not!! But I want to see the whole episode in context!! (And really, I hope he knows both so he can play matchmaker!)

Just being a wishmaker clown

So, I couldn’t figure out why everyone was as thinking Luka was going to learn an identity. And it occurred to me that maybe I should watch the trailer.

So I watched the trailer, and omg this episode looks so cute!! And yeah I still don’t see why everyone is talking about a reveal. I didn’t see it. Then I exit full screen and it’s just written there in the side in Gloob’s purple font. Haha!!

Anyway, here’s what I want. I want a reveal where Ladybug and Chat Noir are the ones that get the reveal. And I want there to be hugs and kisses OR I want there to be tears.

Luka is only there to serve as the eyes. It’s not about him or who knows what first. Luka is all of us!! Getting to witness this moment, and understand how much they love each other, and the tragedy that this moment has to be erased because maybe all of Paris or the akuma sees it too.

I don’t know if I will get what I want, but well, Oblivio gave me exactly what I want, so... like it’s possible.

I mean, we gotta milk the love square reveals as much as possible before we get an actual permanent reveal right??

Also really excited to explore Adrien’s dreams (or lack thereof) for the future!!

@into-september​ - Apparently, I’m still clowning!! Because I went to grab the screen shot for you, and the “Viperion will learn their identities?!” wasn’t in the official trailer’s thumbnail at all! It was in a recommended video at the end from a theorist. HAHAHA! I am not seeing things clearly today! (Good thing I’m getting my eyes checked this afternoon...)  So now I’m back to, “Why do people think Luka’s gonna learn anything?” But IF there is a reveal, the one I described above is still the one I want. 

They’re so cute!! (There’s no Lukanette here! Luka literally saw a sad Adrien, grabbed Marinette over to him, sat her down next to him, and started playing music on the violin!! He’s setting them up!!)