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i headcanon that gabe and emilie would want to create a sentibaby that's a mix of their own DNA--which, why can't they do that? Dusuu's got to use some sort of genetic material

but what if they wanted to test the possible combinations of their DNA before deciding on their perfect designer baby? what if you're adrien agreste model 1.0? it's a little weird when you come into the world, fully grown, and the first thing you're asked to do is turn around slowly on the spot. there's some lady in a mask and a peacock dress, smiling as you stand there, awaiting judgement. her counterpart, standing behind her, seems uncertain. but you don't think much of that. there's no time to think much of that--not when all of a sudden you're sitting at a desk, with pages of equations written on them. problems you're meant to solve.

somehow, you know you've learned this math somewhere--even if you don't remember when or how. but they keep watching you--scrutinizing every line of your pencil. you finally dare to ask them about it--because it's weird, right? and god, if they could just leave you alone for ten minutes, you could probably finish this easily. but your examiners' lips turn down at your outburst. and you're snapped away before you even manage to look back down at the page

what if you're adrien agreste model 13.6, and everything you do elicits little whoops of joy from the peacock lady? in your several hours of existence, you've spoken five different languages and carried out a slew of endurance, agility, and cognitive tests. and most importantly--although you don't know why your examiners seem to praise you for this--you never talked back once

the peacock lady claps her hands together, and even the man behind her--who you've come to realize isn't nearly as easy to crack--can't seem to stop smiling. and you don't understand why something about that fills you with dread, but it does. it's a sort of all-consuming, impossible to shake dread. but you smile through it anyways

you don't know that once you disappear, a smaller version of you will come forth into the world. or that, years later, you'll feel that same sort of sick feeling in your gut

you're adrien agreste model 13.7, and you don't know there's anything weird about the way you came into this world. you don't realize your mother sometimes misses 6.8's dimples, or that your father often wishes they'd gone with 11.2--who would have had a real head for business

and you never do figure out why something always feels just a little bit wrong

@wisteriasymphony hi WHAT hello you made it so much worse. i love it. AAAAH

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A Miraculous Reveal - Representation

Spoilers for Representation (5x24) Link to Ao3

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Chat Noir swings wildly at the akuma who is his father. Adrien is almost glad Ladybug has yet to show up. He doesn’t have a plan, he almost doesn’t want to fix this one. It just feels good to lash out, to hurt this man and send him crashing to the ground, for every blow to make solid contact against the man who seems bent on stealing every good thing in his life. 

As Chat Noir, he doesn’t have to listen to his father. He can resist, he can fight. He can cataclysm anything that stands in his way as many times as he needs to! 

He can do all the things he can’t do as Adrien. 

Why can’t he fight as Adrien?!

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When Plagg meets Adrien, he can smell Duusu on him. Plagg knows exactly what that means - and it's not hard to figure out where the feather must be.

In this version of events, instead of trying to tell Adrien to disobey his father, Plagg tells him what the loopholes in Gabriel's orders are.

"He said you couldn't leave the press conference until it was over, but he never said you couldn't be the one to end it."

"He said you had to put on that outfit, but he didn't say you couldn't take it off again immediately after."

"He said he didn't want to hear the name Marinette, but you can still talk about Baker Girl." Et cetera

With Plagg's guidance, Gabriel's magical control over Adrien becomes essentially negligible, for the most part. Of course, still being Adrien's father, he still holds some sway in the boy's heart, but at least now Adrien is choosing whether to take Plagg up on those loopholes.

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Lila has Adrien’s Amok

I rewatched it in English today, and I was most obsessed with the rings because Felix giving back the ring to Gabriel didn’t make sense to me, and I kept wondering which ring he even gave to Gabriel. The one he stole in S3 or the one Nathalie was wearing? 

So, Felix gets up to “go to the bathroom”. Nathalie is still wearing the ring. 

Then, when Ladybug shows up to recruit “Adrien”, Felix is just coming out of the bathroom. He never sat back down. He never had an opportunity to steal it again after the scene that shows that she still had it. 

(Gah! She’s so cute!)

Anyway, then they go on their find the froggy adventure, and when we return to Nathalie, she no longer has the ring. 

Then we get this shot:

And then this one:

The implication here is that Lila has the ring Nathalie was wearing. Now, I’m wondering WHY she would steal it? Would she even know what it was? But if she has it, I can still see her accidentally figuring out what it can do if she’s wearing it or whatever. WHICH IS TERRIFYING!! I’m so scared for Adrien!! 

I don’t think I can interpret this sequence of events differently! Though feel free to argue with me! But then, this also means that Felix returned the ring he stole in S3. If that was HIS OWN amok, there’s no way he would give it up. And he implied he had the ability to hurt Gabriel before they made their trade. So that ring is so important to Gabriel, he’s willing to give up the peacock?! (Yeah, there were a few other incentives too, but he grabbed that ring REALLY fast).

So now I’m wondering... Can Adrien be controlled with both? Or is Gabriel a sentimonster too and that’s HIS amok? I kinda hate speculating that like everyone is a sentimonster, but if it was all three of them at least we got the diversity of evil (Gabriel), chaotic neutral (Felix), and good (Adrien). I would prefer some other explanation though. 

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carpisuns
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(first anon in adriens situation) I've seen some people (one person? Idk I don't pay much attention) to ask someone who's been through that kind of abuse about the sentimonster theory and of course they'll find it disgusting and harmful but as someone who is Currently Going Through It it's. Not nice really but it's good to see a character who's like me and who can recover and him being a sentimonster puts him just far enough from me that it doesn't hit too close to home? If that makes any sense? He's still Him and a Person but his solution isn't going to be my solution so I can watch without thinking "oh what if I did that? Oh that's unrealistic" and I also like him being a sentimonster and not a Real Boy™ as a metaphor for how trauma affects you for the rest of your life. Anyway that's all :) doing this -> 🤝 with the other anon

thank you for sharing your viewpoint on this! im sure there are other people in a similar situation who'd prefer for there to be no extra narrative layer there and who want to writers just deal with adrien's abuse head-on with the magical/metaphorical element, and i can definitely respect that opinion. but it's good to know that for you and others the senti element provides a helpful distance while still accurately portraying an abusive situation. what the show is depicting is clearly actual neglect and abuse on its own and i think the senti element serves to intensify that portrayal and make it even more obvious to younger viewers. and maybe the magical element does make it a little easier to handle for other victims, like you said. it kind of helps take away the possibility of victim blaming, in a way? cause maybe a kid watching will be like "sometimes i feel like that, like i don't have a choice and i have to do what my dad says even if i don't want to" without there being the guilt of like "oh well adrien could have fought harder/stood up for himself there. he lets himself be controlled by gabriel." no he doesnt. as a senti he doesn't have a choice but to follow orders, just like an abused kid in reality is powerless and must submit to their abuser or risk harm. but i'm confident that in the end adrien will be happy, safe, and fully in control of his own life, free to write his own story without fear of being controlled, and that will be a very empowering thing to see. the senti element to me just makes the manipulative and controlling aspects of abuse even clearer to the audience—like the idea that adrien was literally created to be exactly what his parents wanted him to be from the very beginning. but when he gets control of his amok and is free from gabriel's influence he can finally decide for himself who he wants to be and he gets to build a new life for himself. i think there's a powerful message in showing that the circumstances of your birth or family don't determine your destiny. it doesn't matter why you were brought into the world, or by whom, or in what way—no matter what, you are your own unique person with your own special strengths who is worthy of love and who deserves to have control of your own life.

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carpisuns
Anonymous asked:

Any sentiadrien fic out there? Idk how to find these things lol

uh i think the only sentiadrien fic i've read is Her Elegy of Absence by @theluckiestlb which was lovely but also gave me incredible psychic damage akljfdaklsfjl 😭 (MCD warning)

im sure there are many other great sentifics out there, i just havent read them lol. if anyone else has some recs for anon feel free to drop them!

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kasienda

The sentiadrien is not the main part of this story, but definitely a component. But I just love the way this one reads like it’s a children’s book.

I read another one where Adrien used being a sentibeing to slow his aging down so he would age at the same rate as Marinette as the guardian and I just LOVED that idea so much!! But not sure I could find it quickly.

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I have no ideas associated with it, but the best fic name in the world for something with senti-Adrien and the rings just violently appeared in my head and I need to share it. You know that RING-around-the-rosey nursery rhyme? Well presenting the best fic name in history:

Ashes, Ashes, We All Fall Down.

Who dies? Probably more than you want to die

No one!! No one dies!!

Senti Adrien can definitely go through a journey of self discovery, souls searching, and ultimately self acceptance! It has so much potential for so much beauty and happy endings!! No death required.

I do appreciate the pun though. And don’t think anyone has to die to justify the title.

Dang it! I totally need to write some senti-Adrien reveals don’t I? How have I not already done that?

Thanks for the suggestion, anon!! :)

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the Ring Bearer

How about a fix-it fic for everyone feeling confused about the sentiAdrien thing, huh?

Warning - this story contains spoilers from the episode “Risk”.

Summary: Rings can be burdensome. Rings can be traps. But can they also be liberating? Can they help instead of restrain? Can they mend what’s been broken and bring solace? Adrien hopes to find out.

also on AO3 and FFnet

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Before I begin, this is my ramble of SentiAdrien and my thoughts on it

Do not dump your salt on this post ✌️

I remember my first reaction to the sentiAdrien theory when it was first going around in season 3. I thought “huh that’s a pretty interesting concept”.  But I moved on from that for awhile before I really reflected on it anymore. When I saw the backlash towards those who were vocal about considering the theory to be true I thought it was odd. To me, Adrien being a Sentimonster changed nothing about him. 

What I mean by that is we have been apart of Adrien’s journey from the moment he decided he wanted to go to school and was given the ability to change into one of Paris’ greatest superheroes. His family’s past was a mystery I already accepted and I knew there had to be a reason for Adrien’s odd upbringing. The only thing Adrien being a Sentibeing changes for me is that I now have a better understanding of the Agreste family’s past. But in terms of Adrien himself? He is still the same character I met in season 1 in the episode The Bubbler. 

Obviously he has develop more as a character since his first appearance and he continues to grow. Adrien has went through a lot since we first met him and throughout his character’s journey there was always obstacles he had to overcome or are still preventing him from further developing. The biggest obstacles being his own father, Gabriel Agreste. Gabriel was always controlling of Adrien’s life and kept a tight grip on his son. Adrien is prevented from hanging out with his friend more, forced to stay home most of the time or when he isn’t stuck at home he is working for his father on a new campaign. Gabriel’s controlling behavior was something that was always accepted in the fandom since the show started. In Bubbler we learn that Adrien was not even allowed to throw a party to celebrate his own birthday. 

Gabriel Agreste controls his son. He does not need an amok to do so either. Adrien being a Sentibeing does not lessen the hardship of this control in my opinion. Adrien is full of love and life. His experiences reflect that. There is no question about it to me that Adrien is a very real person. He has love for his friend, for his partner, and for the world. He also loves his father and with that love comes an overwhelming feeling of not wanting to disappoint him. Gabriel’s control on Adrien never leaves him and it is not because of a feather. It’s because Gabriel raised his son to fear disappointing him. This fear burden’s Adrien but in moments of bravery, he was able to rebel. That’s because Adrien has always freely thought for himself, shared his own opinions, and form his own relations. 

The reason why Adrien is not more vocal about his true emotions when it comes to his home life and modeling is not because there is an amok preventing him from being his own person. He is his own person, always has been since we’ve met him. In moments of intense control from Gabriel (aka his father actively chooses give a command with influence from the amok) Adrien’s true feelings and opinions are the only things not influenced. Adrien is not suddenly happy about going to this boring work event instead of getting to be with his friends. He is not suddenly filled with immense happiness from being a model and listening to his father. He feels sadden and disappointed that his father is forcing him to do/not to do something.  And the reason Adrien is not vocal about his true feelings is because we learn it’s a deep risk for him to do so. He does not want to seem ungrateful or whiney. To me that’s a reflection of Gabriel lack parenting skills and raising him to feel ashamed of expressing himself. 

Which leads me to my point that Adrien was created to be a son to Gabriel and Emilie. Every Sentimonster is created with different purposes and as we learned from the episode Ladybug, some are more advanced than others. So we shouldn’t be comparing a lolipop Sentimonster to Adrien because they are both different levels of advancement and created with different intents. The lolipop was not created to a human. The first result I get when I google “What does it mean to be human” is this list of 12 points from humansandnature.org

The only things we can argue is that point 11 since Adrien was conceived through a method that does not involve genetics, he did inherit genes from past relatives. However, he clearly has inherited his mother’s behaviors and probably can now pass down his own genes since he was made to be human. He was literally created to be human and Adrien is human. Adrien is a human that was conceived differently. That does make him different but it does not take away his human experiences. Adrien has a controlling father, a father that is such a big coward he would resort to drastic means of getting his way. So yes Gabriel can use an amok (for now) but I think of that as another way someone can control another. Humans can be controlled by fear. They can be blackmailed into submission. They can be guilted into doing something. There is many ways a person can be abused or controlled. I see the amok as just another tool for control. But it cannot change Adrien for who he really is and what he goes through. 

With every problem identified in a show you expect a resolve. We expected Adrien to stand up to his father and break away from his control since the very beginning of the show. Now that we can be certain he is a Sentimonster (a far more advance one mind you) that narrative is still the same. Adrien needs to gain control over his life. That resolve will still come. Nothing has changed. Adrien is still Adrien. And eventually he will be able to overcome this control Gabriel has both emotionally and physically with the amok. Nothing will lessen Adrien’s human experience to me nor take it away from him. 

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chatonnoir
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People cheering their Senti theory is confirmed. What do you have in mind about it?

Haha I knew someone would eventually ask me about it since I never really share my opinion on it

I really hated it early in the season, especially because of how people were acting after Wishmaker. Like, a lot of people saw Adrien say he wanted to be what his parents wanted him to be/didn't have any dreams of his own, and their response was a bunch of posts being like "OMG!!!! HE DOESNT HAVE ANY DREAMS!!!! THATS NOT NORMAL!!!!! SENTIMONSTER CONFIRMED!!!!!!" (yes I saw people talking exactly like this and saying things about how its 'not normal') and it was insanely insensitive and obnoxious. Things that were very obvious signs of abuse that a lot of us abused kids related to were turned in to "oBviOuS sIGnS hE's nOt HuMaN!!!1!1!!!1!" by the fandom. Truth be told, the fandom's behavior regarding things that "confirmed" the theory was far more upsetting to me than the idea of the theory becoming canon. I also personally felt like Adrien turning on Gabriel would be more impactful if Gabriel is Adrien’s biological father. Going against your birth parent(s) is immensely difficult to do when you’ve been conditioned to be submissive to them, especially because they often use the fact that you’re “blood” to manipulate you in to being loyal. That's not to say adoptive/non-blood related relatives can't be abusive and that going against them is any less difficult, of course. It's just coming from my perspective as an Asian person, since for us, filial piety and loyalty to our families is instilled in us from birth, and often used to manipulate us in abusive situations. The theory also just felt excessive to me. By which I mean, on top of Adrien already having a dead mother and a villain for a father, adding him having to find out he's a magical being who can be thanos snapped from existence felt like his story was crossing over from angst to just straight up tragedy porn.

On the other hand though, as time has passed and I’ve given it more thought, I don't think it's as unnecessary a plot development as a lot of the people opposed to it believe it is. I've seen people say that ML doesn't need to use metaphors/symbols for abuse when they've already been depicting an abused child from the start and that adding the magical element simply waters down/detracts from the abuse story, but I'm not sure I agree with that. You know I specifically like to talk about the differences between the English script and the French script, and the trend I've pointed out repeatedly is that American networks seem a lot more strict about what they deem "appropriate" for children's shows, resulting in the English script significantly toning down/softening/censoring things that were particularly romantic or emotionally heavy in the French script. I've also talked about how Astruc had originally wanted ML to be a show for teens, but ended up making it a children's show instead for economic/marketing reasons, while still trying to make ML a show that tackles more mature/heavy themes and that can be enjoyed by all ages. Those two things are, in fact, relevant here.

There’s a lot of things kids' media, especially kids' media that is affiliated with The Disney Corporation, can’t show without being blocked by executives or forced to raise the rating etc. Magical “loopholes” like Sentis let them get away with showing things more blatantly than they usually would and allow them to delve in to "darker" themes they otherwise wouldn’t be able to tackle, like explicit abuse/trauma and death (think of how Disney villains usually have to die offscreen by falling to their doom/being engulfed in flames/turning to dust/etc.) You may be thinking, “but darker things like death and physical abuse were shown by other Y-7 rated cartoons like Avatar: The Last Airbender!”, but remember that ATLA aired on Nickelodeon, not Disney. Nickelodeon has always been a lot more lax than Disney when it comes to what is “appropriate” for kids (and even then, ATLA always had to have those things happen offscreen). Did you ever notice how ML Season 1 was significantly more risqué than the later seasons, between Chat Noir flirting with Ladybug by saying he “looks hot in a swimsuit,” Ladybug implying that she’d like to see Adrien without his clothes on, and Ladybug being pinned to the ground with Chat Noir on top of her while they kissed? Did you also know that ML Season 1 originally aired on Nickelodeon in the US, after which the rights to the show were acquired by Disney? TOTAL coincidence that these teens got significantly less thirsty after the network switch /s

They've already been using magic as a loophole to push the boundaries like this, like all the times characters have "died"/disappeared, and when they actually showed Chat Noir accidentally “kill” someone onscreen (Aeon), and when they were literally able to show one of their leads eradicating all life on earth. They could get away with all of that because they have Ladybug’s Reset Button and because they kept it vague/magical enough to be able to defend that “they didn’t die they just disappeared/short-circuited/got turned in to statues/etc.!!!!“ (they absolutely did die). They can have Émilie's corpse on display in the basement because they never outright say she's "dead" and leave it vague enough that they can convince children and/or network executives that she's in a Snow White-esque endless sleep caused by magic. Characters being Sentis opens new doors for them in terms of storytelling which lets the writers bypass the limitations of being a children’s show. They can more blatantly depict Adrien being terrified of and submissive to his father without being censored/forced to tone it down because they can defend it with “no it’s not actually too dark/heavy for a children’s show, we’re not blatantly showing a child who has been traumatized and beaten in to submission! Its just because of his father's magical control! Perfectly appropriate for a children’s show! :)”

And that reasoning makes even more sense when you consider the way pretty minor/inoffensive things already get censored in the show. Chat Noir simply saying “I thought I’d lost you” was inexplicably turned in to “that was a wild ride” in the English dub of Animan??? Because apparently even having one of the leads get emotional while admitting that they thought their partner died was too much? They have a lot of constraints to work around when writing a show which is rated for ages 5+, is affiliated with Disney, and has a runtime of ~20 minutes per episode, and I don’t think enough people take those facts in to consideration when they criticize the show. Plenty of people have already made a lot of good points about how it could be beneficial for children who are victims of abuse (check out @gentil-minou's posts on it) so I won't get in to that. I just wanted to talk about this specific aspect since I haven't seen anyone taking it in to consideration in their criticism. Also, the people who are opposed to it really need to stop acting like there is one correct way to represent child abuse and that there aren't child abuse victims who actually find comfort in/relate to SentiAdrien.

My feelings are mixed and I'm waiting to see where they go with it instead of casting judgement before they've even had a chance to tell the story, but I don't hate it and I definitely don't believe it's the unnecessary plot development that the people opposed to it say it is.

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I don’t have nearly enough ML followers to add on to this thread, but this has been bugging me for a while and I really wanted to jump with a tiny addition.

Something that seems to bug people a lot with senti!Adrien theory is that they assume that symbolism =/= representation, but as an abused child myself, symbolism tends to be the best way to really represent what you’re going through. Because it’s not something explicit, because there’s no physical harm or bodily neglect, you can only think of saying something along the lines of “I don’t know why I feel so bad with my parents but I do :c” because that’s your own best comprehension of your situation and the people around you can only feel bad for you but never fully understand, so you instantly feel invalidated.

To me, making Adrien a sentimonster rather than spelling out the trauma is way more powerful because it’s a message that can be transmitted to younger children who might be going through a similar situation without traumatizing them and making resentment grow. I would have loved to see something like this when I was around 5 myself. 

Another thing that I feel gives extra points to the narrative choice is that it helps explain to people who are unfamiliar with this kind of trauma what it feels like. It feels like you’re not real. Like you’re a possession and owe everything to your owners. Like you can’t dare disobey because, as Adrien said, there’s an invisible wall keeping you from speaking up, and the cost of risking that wall is your existence itself. 

People who have gone through something similar, like myself, can look at the screen and scream “dat me!”, while people who haven’t, can get a clearer taste of the horror and what the stakes feel like. Because Adrien might not even suspect that he’s a sentimonster, but we do, and therefore, we understand what he feels like.

Sure, the representation could have been handled way better if there weren’t as many restraints on the show as @chatonnoir​ explained, but I really think that they’re doing a good job of sending an important message with the tools they’re allowed to use.

That’s it thank you have a good day I hope you find a dollar on the floor today or something thank you for reading so far bye

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