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I noticed you said another one of your favorite classics is Pride and Prejudice (which is def one of mine). So, i'd love to know your thoughts on that book since i've read it and love it soooooo much

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OOOH YES. I LOVE everything Jane Austen related, but in particular Pride and Prejudice. I mean, I think it's actually one of the most accessible classics from the era just because it's so much fun to read. But even beyond that, I love the way that Austen is able to critique society in the most biting commentary both in the descriptions of characters and through her characters as well. The plot is amazing, the romance is just perfect, and the interactions between characters is just the best as well. I love the way that characters change throughout the novel, the way in which Austen decided to critique the people who just fit so perfectly into certain contemporary stereotypes of "rakes" or "bores" (hint hint Wickham and Collins lol) and simultaneously demonstrates how easily mistaken even the most clearsighted individuals can be in the personalities and values of others.

Do you like any other Austen books?? I absolutely love Emma as well--I think the couples in those are the best-fitting. I must admit that I have trouble accepting some of the other couples in her other books. I love Mansfield Park for example, but I just cannot seem to wrap my head around the Edmund deserving Fanny.

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Exactly! I agree: Pride and Prejudice is one of the most accessible books from the era and it's just such fun to read. And yet, it being a fun read doesn't detract at all away from the depth, genius and greatness (*aggressively side-eyes Charlotte Bronte) of this book and of Jane. I love the elevation of the everyday life in her books. Someone described it "Just people going to other people's houses" which is, ofc, wildly inaccurate but also to a certain degree, the almost transcendentalist-like focus on simplicity and appreciation for the everyday realities of people is part of the genius. She may have been a "heartless little cynic" who composed "satirettes against her neighbors whist the Dynasts were tearing the world to pieces and cosigning millions to their graves" but hey? How many people have read Pride and Prejudice? And how many people have read novels about wars? Exactly, so Fredric Harrison can stuff it (that was a really badass quote tho, ngl). She wrote about her own battlefield: the realm of men, money, and marriage. And I think that's just a worthy topic as any to discuss.

And ohhhhh goshhhhh. Her dissection of human nature - so good. All of characters are just so... real. Obviously characters like Mrs. Bennet and Mr. Collins are caricatures but like... how many of us don't know Mrs. Bennets? Or Lady Catherine de Bourghs? How many of us haven't been Mr. Collinses? Part of what I love about her books is the way that I will read the books and laugh at the characters but then will finish them and be like "Heyy... i kinda see myself way too much in [insert character here]." It's glorious. The assesment of human nature is acute, unforgiving, even cruel. But gawd is it true. The breeding of the wellbred is every bit as bad as the lowborn, and the judgement of the intelligent is infact sometimes very stupid lol. Goshhhh I love this book lol

Also, again: It's just such a delight to read lol. And Elizabeth is one of the greatest heroines to ever hit the page (I agree with Austen when she said "how I shall tolerate those who do not like her at least I do not know").

I have read Sense and Sensibility and I am currently procrastinating reading Persuasion. As for Sense and Sensibility... *sighs* It was fine. very funny and delightful (especially in the beginning) but boyyyyy did I not really love that ending. Idk. It's probably because my personality's moreso similar to Marianne so I just sympathized with her more. That said, I don't hate it (as I have seen wayyyyyy to many people do). It's her first book. And her second one was Pride and Prejudice so she improved A LOT in between those.

As for Persuasion, I'm only in the beginning (T-T) so i can't say to much on my feels. That said I did love a lot of the stuff I did read (like how the wife was so perfect her only fault was marrying the man that made her a wife lol) (or "I hate to hear you talk so as if we women were fine ladies and not rational creatures") (and how she said Richard "been nothing better than a thick-headed, unfeeling, unprofitable Dick Musgrove, who had never done anything to entitle himself to more than the abbreviation of his name")

I haven't read Emma yet (it's next on my Austen-list tho). I'm really excited for that one hehehehe

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Mr. Darcy is the reverse of the "nice guy" trope because he does all of this wonderful stuff for Elizabeth and literally doesn't even tell her. And then is shocked when she finds out.

So you mean to tell me... My girl Jane Austen subverted 2 of the worst tropes, "the nice guy" and "not like other girls" (hate this trope. so misogynist. ughhhh) and SHE MADE IT WORK!?!?!? And people still dare suggest that she's not one of the greatest writers in world history????

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Tl;dr: Not like other girls/guys is misogynist and misandrist respectively. For a good example of not like other girls actually being healthy, check out Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen.

“Not like other girls/guys” will always be my least favorite trope. It is so disgusting. It’s kinda sexist. In most cases it’s straight up misogynistic/misandristic. It’s just….. ugh. Because often times it’s about putting down women and men instead of celebrating the differences that make all people, regardless of gender, unique and beautiful. It also is interesting that the “not like other girls trope” is mostly used by women…. Actually i think both are mostly used by women… or maybe i just mostly read women, idk. And it’s the worst when they try to brand this as “feminism”. Like…. ew. No. It’s not feminism.

And then the other thing is that some people actually make it work! The one instance i can think of this working is Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen, where Mr. Darcy falls in love with Elizabeth Bennet because she’s not like the other women. Pride and Prejudice is one of my favorite books and I consider Jane Austen to be a literary genius. But this isn’t about women and the nature of women (honestly it’s about humans and human nature but also); it’s about men and women in Regency England and how they are expected to behave. Elizabeth doesn’t behave like that, she is her own person and that is Mr. Darcy loves her. Also, women different from Elizabeth aren’t put down on. Jane, for example, is the sugar to her spice; eternally optimistic and full of a candid desire for the best in and for all people. Very different from Elizabeth’s “the more I see of the world the more i am dissatisfied with it”. And yet, both women are 1. Celebrated for being who they are. 2. Called out on their respective faults and 3. Not humiliated by the story, simply challenged and nurtured into maturity.

Charlotte would be an exception, however it is Elizabeth that puts down Charlotte, not the narrative. Charlotte is praised for her ingenuity, even though Austen (and thus Elizabeth) are still upset about her mercenary tendencies. She understands that “mercenary” was (and still is) sometimes a very much needed aspect of society.

The only time women are put down they are legit awful: Mrs. Bennet, Mary, Kitty, Lydia, Caroline, Louisa, Cathrine (she doesn’t deserve the title of Lady). All of whom are just awful. However, they are not put down as women and Lizzy isn’t “different from these women”. She and the other good characters in the books are different from the other foolish characters. Not foolish women. Not even foolish men (of which there are plenty!). Simple foolish people. Because, as Jane Austen was well aware, people have a great propensity to act foolishly.

It’s not about men or women. It is about gender: the culturally and socially constructed differences between males and females. And about how those constructs affect people and there relationships. The point is: Elizabeth isn’t “not like other women” she’s “different and better than what Regency England allows people (male and female) to be.”

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