22,000 leagues under the sea were my first

“[a nightingale sang in berkeley square] was also sung in the episode ‘captain jack harkness’ on torchwood” ok!! ok!! ok!! ok!!!!! ok then!!!!!!!!

@miladydragon they actually talked a little bit about that on the commentary. They said the point of their show wasn’t to show people gasping with disgust. They purposely wanted people reacting as if they were watching something pure and beautiful, because that’s the message they wanted to send out, which I think was a much more powerful and important usage of screen time. It’s a show about a group of people, one of which is immortal, who fight and capture and learn about aliens. It doesn’t have to be logical, but it /wants/ to be progressive.

Also, it was revealed on the commentary that John convinced the set dressers to take away an American flag that was hanging in the dance hall because the flag had 50 stars and he knew the United States only had 48 states at the time. History sticklers would be able to point that mistake out and complain, so they adjusted the set. Everything they did was purposeful and suggesting that they didn’t know what they were doing when they framed the dance between Jack and Captain Jack as a beautiful, tender moment is a discredit to their talent, their dedication, and their purpose.

Look, I”m not questioning anyone’s dedication.  I’m questioning the erasing of a horrible time in our history in favor of romance.  What homosexuals had to go through back then was terrible.  What would have made a better episode would have been to deal with that, instead of forgetting about it and having two men kiss in front of a crowd, and then Jack leaving Captain Jack alone to deal with it.  Yes, Captain Jack was doomed to die, but was it okay for the man to get outed in front of his men at that point in history?  I’m sorry if this somehow offends, but I feel very strongly about how things were back then and how terrible it was for a certain subset of humanity who have no control over who they fell in love with. 

I am not saying that it was 100% right what they did and i totally understand what you are saying, but there are enough movies out there who show us how horrible it was in that time for homosexuals and i find it kind of refreching to not see such a BIG drama (it was still a drama). I understand that it could have been really interesting to see (and also more realistic) to see the REAL 40′s.

I completely agree with @kajaono here, thank you for that comment. I’m bisexual, @miladydragon. I don’t need to be reminded how people wanted me, other wlw, and mlm dead, and still do to this day. The torchwood creators purposely set out to Not tell that story because queer people have seen that story over and over again and we’re fucking sick of it. Yes, it’s very important to educate people on homophobia, but torchwood went about it a different way. Have you seen the new Wonder Woman movie? Logically, probably every male character in that movie should have been horrendously sexist, but they weren’t, because the creators of that movie wanted to put Diana in an atmosphere where she could thrive and be accepted, and show to the audience that her thriving was exactly what she should be doing. Any men who doubted her were quickly proven wrong, and their morals were questioned.

Torchwood did the same in the episode Captain Jack Harkness. Most of us know homophobia is bad, and those who are homophobic don’t need to see themselves on screen. They need to see a situation that they would deem suitable for homophobia, and realize that there’s no place for them anymore. They need to see two men dancing and realize it’s something beautiful, and queer people need to see two men dancing and realize that they all deserve that kind of happiness.

Also, on the note of educating people on homophobia, please don’t use the term homosexuals. Please use gay, queer, mlm, wlw, or any of the more recent terms. The term homosexual was created to be progressive in the 19th century, but was twisted to be used in sodomy laws and was later used to categorize people in the 20th century back when they thought being gay was a mental disorder. If you see someone using the term homosexual nowadays, they’re either simply uneducated, homophobic, or are gay themselves and using it in their own community for various purposes in their own context.

In conclusion: I’m sick and tired of seeing gay people unhappy. I want to see them kissing and dancing.

I just can’t add anything. Perfectly said @iant0jones

Jack x Jack | One Episode Love Saga Part 15

*don’t go don’t go stay awhile and moon over me*

@miladydragon they actually talked a little bit about that on the commentary. They said the point of their show wasn’t to show people gasping with disgust. They purposely wanted people reacting as if they were watching something pure and beautiful, because that’s the message they wanted to send out, which I think was a much more powerful and important usage of screen time. It’s a show about a group of people, one of which is immortal, who fight and capture and learn about aliens. It doesn’t have to be logical, but it /wants/ to be progressive.

Also, it was revealed on the commentary that John convinced the set dressers to take away an American flag that was hanging in the dance hall because the flag had 50 stars and he knew the United States only had 48 states at the time. History sticklers would be able to point that mistake out and complain, so they adjusted the set. Everything they did was purposeful and suggesting that they didn’t know what they were doing when they framed the dance between Jack and Captain Jack as a beautiful, tender moment is a discredit to their talent, their dedication, and their purpose.

Look, I”m not questioning anyone’s dedication.  I’m questioning the erasing of a horrible time in our history in favor of romance.  What homosexuals had to go through back then was terrible.  What would have made a better episode would have been to deal with that, instead of forgetting about it and having two men kiss in front of a crowd, and then Jack leaving Captain Jack alone to deal with it.  Yes, Captain Jack was doomed to die, but was it okay for the man to get outed in front of his men at that point in history?  I’m sorry if this somehow offends, but I feel very strongly about how things were back then and how terrible it was for a certain subset of humanity who have no control over who they fell in love with. 

I am not saying that it was 100% right what they did and i totally understand what you are saying, but there are enough movies out there who show us how horrible it was in that time for homosexuals and i find it kind of refreching to not see such a BIG drama (it was still a drama). I understand that it could have been really interesting to see (and also more realistic) to see the REAL 40′s.

@miladydragon they actually talked a little bit about that on the commentary. They said the point of their show wasn’t to show people gasping with disgust. They purposely wanted people reacting as if they were watching something pure and beautiful, because that’s the message they wanted to send out, which I think was a much more powerful and important usage of screen time. It’s a show about a group of people, one of which is immortal, who fight and capture and learn about aliens. It doesn’t have to be logical, but it /wants/ to be progressive.

here’s the thing tho.. yeah Jack kissed him.. but he was the one to ask Jack to dance. In the 1940s that would have been enough to out him. Rumors would have been enough, really. He was technically the one making the moves the whole night, Jack just gave him a goodbye kiss because he knew what happened next and all night he’d been telling Captain Jack how important that last kiss was. The whole point of it was Jack’s beginning as Captain Jack Harkness, meeting the man who had to die for his life to be as it was

and it was about the irony of the fact that Jack can’t die but his namesake was going to die the next day. 

It was the tragedy of the 1940s, not knowing what was going to happen next, not knowing if that person you have feelings for is going to be alive the next day, if you’ll ever see them again. It’s a parallel to Jack’s whole life. He loses people all the time. That tragedy never ends for him.   so idk. yeah it can be seen a bit iffy but considering the context, the fact that it’s Jack we’re talking about who loves so much even though he has every reason to never love again

and lbr, the reactions around that room were more about Captain Jack asking Jack to dance than the actual kiss…

@miladydragon they actually talked a little bit about that on the commentary. They said the point of their show wasn’t to show people gasping with disgust. They purposely wanted people reacting as if they were watching something pure and beautiful, because that’s the message they wanted to send out, which I think was a much more powerful and important usage of screen time. It’s a show about a group of people, one of which is immortal, who fight and capture and learn about aliens. It doesn’t have to be logical, but it /wants/ to be progressive.

Also, it was revealed on the commentary that John convinced the set dressers to take away an American flag that was hanging in the dance hall because the flag had 50 stars and he knew the United States only had 48 states at the time. History sticklers would be able to point that mistake out and complain, so they adjusted the set. Everything they did was purposeful and suggesting that they didn’t know what they were doing when they framed the dance between Jack and Captain Jack as a beautiful, tender moment is a discredit to their talent, their dedication, and their purpose.

@miladydragon when i first watched it i cried, but later i start thinking about it and yeah it was really really dangerous for the real Jack- But it was allready fixed for real!Jack and his crew that there would be the mission the next day and i guess if there would have been any consequences for real!Jack they would have been AFTER the mission, but Captain Jack allready knew that real!jack would die in that mission so yeah, there was a big risk but actually not such a big risk at all. Jack knew real!Jack would die so he wanted to give him one night where he could be his real self, for one single and last night. And i think that is beautiful. And we allready saw that also his crew was really progressive, asking out Tosh as a japanese person. NOt only Tosh was a non-white person, she was also from a nation who was fighting alongside with the germans

That certain night, the night we met, there was magic abroad in the air, there were angels dining at the Ritz, and a nightingale sang in Berkeley Square.

Thanks to @icymalec and @captain-hardness for letting me know where to find this!

idk, but that gifset makes me sad...

What Gwen says and Jacks look allways hit me right in the feels. Look at Jack! Look how sad he is. If they where still stucked WWII he would have had chance to save Jack. Maybe Jack could be happy in the 21. century.