I wish people would understand that it is actually a good thing when allegations of sexual misconduct are thoroughly investigated, leaving no stone unturned, and that most survivors of sexual assault who've come forward are not lucky enough to have people take their story seriously enough to look into it in good faith, verify it, and post a long, exhaustively researched researched article informing everyone that they're telling the truth.
The smug "we already knew this months ago, INTERESTING how people are so hesitant to believe it about NEIL GAIMAN but not about [name another abuser]" posts kinda ignore that
- We actually didn't know this months ago, we had unverified rumors from a podcast with a number of suspect affiliations and biases. It is, in fact, good that a reliable investigative journalist did an above-board, good-faith investigation and report on it in a reputable publication, so that people don't need to rely on such an easily-discredited source in their effort to support the victims
- Whether it's Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby or Jared Leto or Noel Clarke or Johnny Depp or Mel Gibson or any other of literally dozens if not hundreds of other celebrity abusers, no, in fact, people did not have an easy time believing it! It was, and continues to be, an uphill battle to convince people they've done anything wrong
- The narrative of "interesting how people are hesitant to believe it about Neil Gaiman but not Harvey Weinstein" is literally a TERF talking point. It's meant to imply that THEY, whoever "they" are, are covering for Neil Gaiman because he was vocally pro-trans in both his writing and his public life.
- Ever since this article ran, the literary community and fans have, overall, had a relatively easy time believing it, compared to the abusers mentioned above. There was reticence to take the word of Boris Johnson's TERF Sister's Podcast about it, but even those people were firmly in the "if an actual trustworthy journalist looks into this, they will find evidence and report on it, so I hope one does soon" camp
#yeah i am kinda in the middle here #it's really good that a reputable publication has picked it up and vetted the story and provided more details #because now it's pretty much undeniable #(although I could have sworn Rolling Stone or Vice or someone did that last summer??? am I going crazy?) #however#'well one of the three reporters from the podcast is a terf so I won't listen to/read it and make up my own mind about the allegations'#was a shitty weasel position that i didn't/don't really respect#the source was not easily discredited #rachel johnson was not at all the person apparently leading the story #and most of the people i saw leaning heavily on that were people who really did not want to believe the women or engage with the story #i was also skeptical about the source so I yanno examined the transcripts of the podcast to get a sense of what they were working with #and it was almost exactly the same material we're seeing now #AND following the podcast more women came forward #neil gaiman #neil gaiman allegations #not exactly disagreeing with op here to be clear #more using op as a proxy to examine some of the things i've seen people saying#sorry
Yeah, if "one of the three reporters" on anything is a TERF, that tanks the credibility of the whole thing, the same as if one of the three reporters on a story was a klansman or a nazi, even if they're not a lead. The people who said the original source was Not Credible were not simply burying their heads in the sand because they didn't want to believe it. Pretty much all of those people, as soon as there was a Real Source, immediately took up the cause on this one.
If you're telling the truth, then having members of a hate group on your team is a really bad idea, because it means you lose credibility with the public, and has the net result of burying the True Things you're saying instead of shining a light on them.
The whole point I'm making here is that there is a reason no Legitimate Sources were reporting on The Podcast for months and months and months, and that's because the podcast is not (and in fact all podcasts are not) a credible source. It's the same situation as documentaries-- they're presented as Informational but they are held to no standard of accuracy or truthfulness whatsoever. The reason they were able to report on the allegations several months earlier than all the Real Publications is because they did not have to trouble themselves with things like "journalistic integrity" or "fact-checking" or "verification."
I also reviewed those transcripts, and again, the sources were opaque and the reporting was not credible. I believed the allegations from day one-- behind closed doors basically all the Gaiman Fans who heard the podcast allegations were like "yeah man that sounds like something he'd do"-- but like hell if I was going to cite that shitty dubious podcast as a source. I, like pretty much everyone else who said "the source isn't exactly reliable," was waiting to actually be able to win the "he did it" argument instead of citing a source that could so easily be immediately dismissed.
And, crucially, they were not working with the same material we're looking at now. There are significant new bombshell allegations in the Vulture article that were not in the podcast because, again, the podcast didn't really do much of an investigation to verify their story. They didn't ask any of the right questions. They didn't get a lot of the important information. This is because they're podcasters, not journalists. Which, as was the point of the whole post, is why it was right of journalists to take the allegations seriously enough to bother investigating them properly, and why it was wrong of the podcasters to do such an unprofessional, slapshod, no-credibility job "supporting the victims."
Yes, I never disagreed with you that it was right of other journalists to take the allegations, investigate them themselves, and present them in a more neutral and widely-available setting.
My issue is that I argued with plenty of people last summer who were very clearly trying to dig for any reason to discredit the story. "One of the reporters here is a TERF (and the others are at least okay with that) and the women involved weren't identified by their real names, which means we should tread carefully" is not the same thing as "well this whole podcast is a TERF project and they clearly made up these stories in order to smear Neil Gaiman because he's kind of queer-friendly, so I don't even have to look at the actual allegations to ignore them." I'm glad you didn't run into these people! But I did and I feel like that group is being forgotten as we point out that it's understandable not to have been fully on board from the word go.