Lego Marvel Avengers: Loki in Training
same bullshit energy
I fixed them
IW/EG be like:
Look at these tragic deaths!
Complex POC-coded character, victim of abuse, bullying, torture/coercion/brainwashing is gratuitously and violently strangled by torturer on screen.
Complex female character played by POC, victim of abuse, grooming/brainwashing, who managed to get away and become her own person is thrown off a cliff by her abuser.
Complex female character, victim of abuse, torture, grooming/brainwashing, who managed to overcome her conditioning, get away is totured by her abuser on screen and then literally kills her brainwashed past self.
Complex female character, victim of abuse, grooming/brainwashing, who managed to become a better person and a hero is tossed off a cliff by a loved one.
Man who never felt like he was good enough, victim of abuse, torture, PTSD, who ended up abandoned/strangled for trying to protect people kills himself to protect people.
And then the characters that don't die:
Blond muscley man with hammer/axe hits things with hammer/axe, suffers a slow decline and then abandons his people.
Blond muscley man with shield hits things with shield and then abandons friends and heroism altogether to go get with a woman after making out with her niece.
Blond muscley man with bow becomes a serial killer??? And then goes back to his family like nbd?
The few women left in the series get a 20 second scene out of the entire movie.
Man who loves his daughter and missed out on time with her due to his mistakes misses out on her entire fing childhood!!!
Like...
Yeah, real hopeful and uplifting, how is any of this supposed to be okay? Yes, I'm still upset.
letting a traumatized character have their happy ending where they can recover from their trauma will always be a thousand times more powerful than killing them off for shock value
Most people don’t realise how similar Tony and Loki are.
Its not just their snarkiness and sass…but it’s also the fact that they suffer in silence. Tony tries to keep what he’s going through at the moment from the people he knows love him. This is seen a lot through the course of the films.Loki does the same thing. The thing with Tony though is that in the end he opens up. Loki on the other hand doesn’t/can’t do this. For him expressing himself is difficult and the only person he cares about now (Thor) he isn’t sure wants to hear him. As i have seen someone say, Thor probably doesn’t know how to deal with Loki’s pain. For him acknowledging that Loki committed suicide is something very difficult and painful.
This is the reason why, i feel Tony would if he came to know what Loki had gone through would sympathise with him… Tony knows whats it like to keep his sufferings to himself. To hide it with sarcasm and a mischievous smile.
Tony has his sins. He created Ultron who caused havoc. Loki himself caused a lot of damage even if he was controlled by Thanos sceptre.
If Tony can be forgiven and leave his past behind…Loki deserves this too.
I NEVER NOTICED THE CORNER OF HIS MOUTH TWITCHING UP
I point this out/laugh every time I watch the movie because it is everything. Its perfect subtle acting.
The comment is obviously for him because none of the others know what Loki means. Tony’s acknowledgment of it is small enough that only Loki notes it, no one even glances in Tony’s direction or questions why Loki would say that.
Loki made a funny for Tony in front of the other Avengers. If it weren’t obvious before that Loki thinks that Tony is actually on his level (“warm light”, impressed by the “no throne” speech, etc.) while he thinks everyone else beneath him, keeping them out of the conversation with an inside joke is a damn good way to show it. I want to expand more on this because I love analyzing their dynamic but I shouldn’t because sleep. Maybe later.
*it also echoes the “son of a bitch…” comment Tony makes when he figures out where the portal is set up and that he is basically “Loki: Midgard edition”. a lot of their defense mechs and reasonings are the same and parallels are everywhere which makes me happy. my fave characters are perfectly messed up and I love them. fight me.
Avengers Assemble S04E19 “The Immortal Weapon”
oh my…
Tony and Loki + their fathers validating them
I hate Howard and Odin so much! No one should get their parent’s approval so late in life. No one should feel the way Loki and Tony felt all their lives. This is so heartbreaking.
It is heartbreaking. Especially for Loki I think. Why couldn’t he have heard this in that last moment of hope, before letting go into the abyss? Or instead of something so cruel as, ‘your birthright was to die?’ What I see in Lokis eyes when Odin 'validates’ him, is sadness that he can never truly believe it as such. I wouldn’t have had it been me and it’s not about not being willing to forgive, it’s simply too little too late and therefore, means shit.
Non-spoilery IW thought:
Tony Stark and Stephen Strange sounded really, eerily similar.
And Wanda with an American accent sounded really, eerily similar to Natasha.
Like, with my eyes closed, I don't think I could tell these characters apart.
“I think I would just cut the wire”
Let’s talk about this line. In Avengers, Steve tells Tony he wouldn’t “lay down on a wire” to let somebody else crawl over him. In other words, he accuses him of not being able to sacrifice himself (btw what kind of insult is that, Steve?? It’s not something to accuse somebody of?? But that’s a different subject). We all know it’s not true, as Tony himself proved many times. Carrying the nuke through the wormhole is probably the clearest evidence of that – and a direct contradiction of Steve’s accusation. Maybe the dialogue itself was put there just to emphasize Tony’s sacrifice later in the movie. To me, though, it’s something more. “I think I would just cut the wire.” It’s Tony’s way of looking at problems.
It’s what he did in Iron Man 3 when Rhodey said “We gotta make a decision. We can either save the president, or Pepper. We can’t do both.” The choice was to save someone very important to Tony or someone very important to the country. Which option did he choose? Both. He sent a remote suit to the president’s plane, all the while being on a boat, heading towards Pepper’s direction. He cut the wire.
It’s what he did when one of those living-bomb-guys caught Harley. Tony could either give the man the information he wanted or sacrifice the boy. Which option did he choose? Neither. He gave Harley a hint to use that anti-bullies device which helped him escape. He cut the wire.
It’s exactly what he did when he created the first suit in that cave! He could either build a weapon for the terrorists or die. What option did he choose? Neither. He used his brilliant mind to escape. He cut the wire.
Heck, even Tony’s response to Steve’s insult is cutting the wire in a way. Steve probably didn’t even expect a response at all. I mean, neither “no, I would do that” or “you’re right, I wouldn’t” was a good thing to say in that moment. Without hesitation, Tony chose a third option.
Of course, when he cannot find his own solution, when he is unable to cut the wire, he is more than ready to lay down on it. We’ve seen that, I’ve already mentioned it. The point is, the sacrifice is not always necessary and he knows it. Presented with a choice to save someone and save himself, he’d rather find a way for them all to survive. Laying down on the wire may be noble, but cutting it is just freaking smart. He uses his mind, his technology, to create a third option when there are only two. His mind is his superpower.
It’s not really surprising, then, that he worked so hard to create Ultron. Can you see? The world ending, all of them dying? Steve had a simple solution: we’ll lose together. Well, thank you, Captain, I’d rather not. Tony didn’t agree to just sit there and let that happen. He used his brilliant mind, his superpower, to try to protect the Earth and everybody he loved. This time, like we all know, it didn’t turn out well. But I hope you see the pattern here.
The guy just won’t give up. Bless his heart.
Reblogging again because it’s so true and so good
One thing that kinda always baffles me is the whole, “Tony Stark created a murderbot!!” debate - not because Tony was necessarily in the right in attempting to harness alien power but because, as bad as Joss Whedon’s writing is, the one thing AOU does well is provide textual evidence and canonical support to the notion that a) Tony never intended to create Ultron as we see him, and that b) it is most assuredly not fully his fault.
I kinda think half of the blame towards Tony comes from misunderstanding what Ultron was meant to be, because people seem to be under this impression that Ultron was genuinely meant to be a weapon of some sorts, when it was much the opposite. The original programming was meant to be an AI which, like Jarvis, controls a group of Iron Man Legionnaires (unwearable Iron Man suits) which we’ve already seen in action. The programme was already touched upon in IM3 where Tony created several suits but later destroyed them in an attempt to move forward. The second set we actually see in AOU as the Avengers infiltrate the Hydra base at the beginning - their mission is to help evacuate or protect the civilians (”Strucker won’t care about civilians. Send out the Iron Legion”). The sole purpose of the program is to protect civilians and that’s what makes the later casualties in the final battle of Sokovia (and in CACW, the mention of Charles Spencer) so ironic and tragic.
Moving on from the fact that Ultron was meant to be something that was already in the works and proving to be useful, there is so much textual evidence and so much sub-text proving that the sceptre’s power is already in some way sentient, given the fact that there’s a Mind Stone in it. I know that people are eager to dismiss this but just look at the amount of evidence:
- “I was asleep”. Ultron states this upon “waking” up, suggesting he was in some way already alive and sentient.
- The attempt to integrate the programme fails - not just once, but a total of 76 times as shown on screen. Tony and Bruce give up, not understand where they went wrong (”What did we miss?”). When Ultron awakens himself, Jarvis remarks that he’s “not certain what triggered [Ultron’s] programming-”.
- Earlier in the scene, Bruce remarks that scans of the sceptre make it look like a brain, and that it looks “like it’s thinking” - although, it’s not a “human mind”. The implication is that whatever is being housed by the sceptre is already, in some way, alive.
- Again, Tony states that he and Bruce were “nowhere close to an interface”, which begs the question as to how Ultron not only woke himself up, but actually managed to go against his programming.
I mean, one of the most important scenes proving this is that Thor, upon having his vision, states that the twins’ “powers, our horrors, Ultron himself, it all came from the Mind Stone”. Given that the power is alien and that Thor knows the most about the Infinity Stones, I would say this sentence is significant in showing how little control Tony had over what he was creating - and how unaware he was of it’s true purpose.
I’m not saying that Tony was necessarily right in meddling with a volatile and dangerous alien weapon but I’m not sure Tony would have even attempted to try this had it not been for Wanda’s vision. I’m not saying Tony didn’t choose to do this (although again this is debatable given his state of mind), but there’s no doubt in my mind that Wanda’s manipulation of Tony mentally had brought these ideas to the forefront of his mind, firstly because Tony actually blew up and destroyed his last Legion in IM3 as a way to try to stop his obsessive PTSD-induced tinkering, and also because as Bruce remarks, Ultron was just a “fantasy” - and until now, there seemed to be no way to actually make it work.
Regardless of whether Tony would have messed around with it or not, there’s no doubt again that Wanda did influence him in his decision; not only does Fury believe so (”the Maximoff girl, she’s working you Stark”), but Wanda admits to it; “I saw Stark’s fear, I knew it would make him self destruct”. Wanda’s placement of visions in Tony’s head (and the rest of the Avengers’) is not only invasive and brings to question the ethical implications of her powers, but it is a direct trigger to Tony, who canonically has PTSD due to the alien invasion in the Avengers. The parallel between Tony building his first Legion during a manic and paranoid phase at which his PTSD was at its worst, and attempting to make Ultron after being shown a vision relating to his PTSD is stark throughout the movie to anyone who payed attention to IM3, and yet it goes on ignored by many. Not to mention, Bruce’s entire involvement in creating Ultron (and later, also Vision) seems to go on ignored or wildly misinterpreted.
To me, Tony’s flaws lie in not consulting him team about the AI, or Thor about an alien power; more concerning perhaps is the ethical, moral and political questions that such a programme raises, which in some ways becomes important again in CACW, where Tony’s failures push him towards signing the Accords and trying to create a system of accountability. I wouldn’t however state that AOU was meant to be so decisive in saying Ultron, and all of Ultron’s actions, were solely Tony’s fault, so much as it was a tragic series of events that snowballed and very quickly got out of control.
This so in line with my ultimate theory!
in infinity war i need thor to have no idea who peter is but he doesn’t ask, he just sees him using his tech and talking about designing something and interacting with tony, and at some point during the movie thor says to tony, “you should be proud of your son”
and tony’s like, “my what now”
”your son. peter?”
”…he’s not- you thought he was my sON?”
and thor gets like awkwardly defensive and goes “well…you know he has the…the electronics…”
#and if like three other people think so too #and tony goes RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU THOUGHT HE WAS MY SON #and he’s hyperventilating a little #and like at least two people who should know better raise their hands #and rhodey’s one of them #shrugs I THOUGHT YOU WERE KEEPING THIS ON THE DL #and then tony realizes peter ALSO raised his hand (via @ifeelbetterer)
you know that Captain America can´t get drunk, right?
Hahaha, they're all so cute.