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Jebbifurzz

@jebbifurzz / jebbifurzz.tumblr.com

likes running, reading, writing works in a Micro lab reads lots of fanfiction not enough free time mostly posts about Loki these days, but likes other stuff too - good sci-fi/fantasy stories in general
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Loki (during Ragnarok): So how is it you’re updated on the goings-on of Asgard?

Thor: I asked Heimdall and he told me.

Loki: *blinks* you have some sort of communication device?

Thor: no I asked him to help me see and then we did like a teleconference with his powers

Loki: ……..you’re telling me that, here, on this trash planet, outside the Nine - only accessible via wormhole- where time is practically nonexistent. Here, Heimdall can NOT ONLY see you, but also talk to you?

Thor: yes. And I can see him as well.   Why are you looking so angry? What- no, don’t cry! Loki- come back!

Yes. I firmly believe that Heimdal could see what was happening to Loki when he was with Thanos. Or, you know, he completely didn’t think of searching for him, because he hates Loki.

(I don’t care that he half-assed welcomed Loki home in Ragnarok. I don’t even consider that trashfire movie canon. He was ready to chop Loki’s head off in Thor 1. Only because Loki had removed him from his job for treason. Heimdal has never treated Loki as a prince. I don’t think he even treated him as a person. Because who else would know the truth about Loki’s Jotun heritage, other than Odin and Frigga? Heimdal.)

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As king, whilst pretending to be Odin, Loki did the following:

  • Pardoned Thor, Sif, and the Warriors Three of their treason
  • Treated Thor as Loki himself had never been treated by their Father
  • Separated the two Infinity Stones in Asgardian protection, and gave one to another powerful being, for the sake of preventing both from being found at once or from making Asgard a higher priority target 
  • Removed Asgardian troops from the rest of the Nine and kept them on Asgard, where the Space Stone was being kept and therefore where they were most needed, whilst also creating a time of peace for Asgard
  • Pushed Asgard toward entertainments (theatre) that aren’t violent
  • Rebranded himself as a hero rather than just allowing his identity as the Jotun Prince become all that would be remembered

And that’s just what was shown.

Agree with everything on this list. If only the franchise had framed it that way.

In a supposedly anticolonialist movie they managed to paint the withdrawal of troops from foreign, “less advanced” lands as something lazy and vile, only because Loki was doing it.

Fuck Waititi and his imagined progressive views, his entire brand of wokeness falls apart at the first breeze.

Just want to clarify: The anti-colonialism aspect of the movie was NOT that director’s idea. The whole “Odin conquered the 9 realms and stuff” sequence was not in the original cut and was in fact added during the reshoot, and it’s  Disney/Marvel who decided to add this in, not that director.   No need to credit the director for this. Does he even look like he could come up with this?  He doesn’t seem to have any brilliant ideas other than making up some jokes related to human private parts.

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lokilover9

😂 This.

Wow, this is brand new info. Everywhere on Tumblr people have waxed poetic about how Waititi’s POC status led directly to him wanting to tack “complex themes of subjugation” in Gagnarok.

Wowity wow.

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miskiett

But did they not realize that by adding all that in about Odin, they subjugate their hero to the moral code and whims of a character who is esteemed by the narrative yet is as immoral as their villain?

Why is Thor shown to be so moral in defeating Hela, while he is still worshipping Odin? Why is he shown to be so quick to condemn and degrade Loki, when he is still worshipping Odin? Both Hela and Loki were messed up by Odin. And Loki tried to side with Thor 3x in that movie and was rejected each time because Thor was “so pious” he wouldn’t stand for it; Loki did not need to be condemned and humiliated first to get him to side with Thor.

Thor’s differing treatment of the characters makes him look like such a hypocrite and such a fool, like he can’t determine right from wrong for himself. Thor has to rely on Odin’s perspective to make his own judgements on both others and on himself. Odin condemns Hela by projecting his own blame for the subjugation of the realms onto her and her alone, and Thor follows this blindly. Odin condemns Loki for his fits and attacks, without acknowledging what drove him there or how to fix it, so Thor follows this blindly. Thor even needed Odin to come back from the dead to validate his own identity, because Thor cannot form his identity or his viewpoints alone.

The hero does an awful lot of following Odin - but then in the the shoots they paint Odin as a monster.

What a mess!

Why don’t they just write the story from the beginning so it makes sense?

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I hate how normalized it has become for the people writing Loki to belittle his arc. everyone after the dark world seems to see him as this stubborn annoying pest who keeps acting out and betraying thor for no reason. in ragnarok this is shown through thor's elevator speech and subsequent obedience disk scene where he flat out says that he is tired of dealing with loki. and in the series everyone shuts down any nuanced discussion of his feelings or actions with the idea that he is a narcissist.

no one has acknowledged since TDW that all of loki's actions and feelings, wrong and immoral though some of them may have been, all came from real circumstances and events that happened to him. I hate how everyone seems to have just forgotten that he had an actual arc and really interesting and tragic motivations in favor of just going heehoo he is an evil trickster

Also that narcissist/ evil brat/ ridiculous trickster trope is just so boring. He had an actual background. Why is nobody talking about how he was stolen from Jotunheimr when he was a baby? Oh, that actually gives his character depth - let’s never talk about it again. Let’s instead give him another version of himself to fall in love with to show what a pathetic narcissist he is. Also if show-Loki had sex with Sylvie… does that count as masturbation? Nothing wrong with it. Just wondering.

The MCU has gone to shit.

there's something deeply ironic about the way marvel accidentally made an interesting antagonist (mostly thanks to kenneth branagh and tom hiddleston actually taking their jobs seriously), tried from the beginning to make him less interesting (see: the several deleted scenes which make loki seem more sympathetic, the lack of text explaining thanos' treatment of him), gave him progressively less screen time and stake in the narrative (ragnarok, IW)...

only to realize too late that there was an opportunity to milk him, hurriedly bring him back from the dead, FINALLY make loki-centric content, but in doing so completely erase everything which drew people to the character in the first place

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So I happened to come across this recently and I’m not trying to do a callout so I’ve blurred the persons’ name. But. I had to say something because I’ve seen similar posts so many times and it’s genuinely concerning to me so I’d like to respond. 

It’s strange to me how Mike Waldron who wrote the series constantly conflated Mobius and the actor who played him in a lot for eh PR and how I’ve seen so many people parrot that same PR and act as tho Owen Wilson being a nice person IRL has anything anything at all to do with his character.

Because it doesn’t. Owen Wilson is an actor. He is not the characters he plays. And Mobius is not kind or sweet or comforting at all. Like he’s just not. The definition of “radiating comfort” does not include forcing someone in a cell to be tortured and regularly threatening them with death and calling them a cockroach and other demeaning names and humiliating them. Sometimes I wonder if the people saying that the cold and cruel character who does things like that is “warm” or “comforting” even watched the show or if they’re just Disney bots mindlessly sharing Disney PR to get more people to watch the show lol.

To see someone who gleefully commits the vile acts that Mobius does be called comforting and kind honestly deeply offends and disturbs me. This is a man who regularly commits mass genocide with 0 remorse, who obviously revels in having power over someone and in using that power to degrade, humiliate, terrorize, and torture his victim. This is a man who amuses himself by giving a piece of anachronistic candy to a little girl because he knows he can since he’s about to murder her and everyone in her whole reality. This man is an excellent villain because he is sadistic and cruel and selfish and narcissistic and capable of tremendous violence without remorse. What he is NOT is sweet or kind or comforting. 

Torture is not an act of kindness. EVER. Genocide is not an act of kindness. EVER. Full stop. End of story. 

People are fooled by the show’s framing of Mobius as a hero. And his sweet, kindly middle-aged man facade. Mobius has that fake sweetness going on, the kind of saccharine fake genteel kindness that defines so-called “Southern Hospitality” that I’ve grown up with all my life, people putting on smiles and acting like they’re welcoming you with open arms when really if you’re not a certain race and a certain religion with certain political leanings they would run you out of town with torches and pitchforks if they could.

Really he reminds me of the Mayor from Buffy, all politeness and sweetness but would happily eat you when no one is looking.

How sweet is a man who commits genocide on daily basis and forces people to work for him under threat of death and tortures people and doesnt do anything about it until it effects him. Pure sunshine.

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jebbifurzz

One correction: Mobius took the candy AWAY from the girl, as evidence to catch the variant. The variant was the one to give the candy. Mobius took her candy away, smiled and reassured her, then killed her.

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black-nata

And really he’s not the only one, now is he Thor?

How much the mind stone affected Loki is never outright stated but it’s more than obvious it did unquestionably have one. Thor with all this new fond humility quickly turns into calling mortals “tiny” after just a few minutes just being in the same room as the scepter and Loki’s been carrying it around for at least a few days.

How much does Loki truly believe his touted superiority and how sincere is Thor’s humbleness? That’s the question I ask

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iamnmbr3

I love Thor 2011 but I’m currently thinking about the inconsistent use and framing of the Jotnar in the narrative. In the beginning they’re supposed to be scary monsters for Thor to fight in a cool action sequence. Kinda like the orcs in LOTR. That fight sequence is supposed to show us Thor being rash and overconfident and aggressive, but we’re not supposed to be sitting there thinking ‘oh my god this guy is just brutally murdering people whose home he invdaded… this is horrible.“ we’re more supposed to be thinking “ooh this is a cool badass fight scene tho thor’s obviously overconfident and needs to learn to tone down his brashness a bit.”  

But the problem is that doesn’t really mesh with the inclusion of Loki’s Jotun heritage storyline which very definitively humanizes the Jotnar and makes quite clear that they are sentient sapient people. (Or even Laufey’s storyline which certainly shows him to be an intelligent person and not just some video game monster.) And this dissonance leads to a weird issue where in the end Thor is heroic for telling Loki that his attempted genocide is wrong, but Thor’s own earlier aspirations to commit genocide, the violent bigotry of Asgardian society, and Thor’s brutal murder of scores of Jotnar in the beginning of the film are not addressed or dealt with. I mean yeah presumably Thor learned that genocide is wrong while on earth but we never get shown that as an audience.

the result was Thor being more morally grey than the writers intended and Loki being more sympathetic. I mean these aren’t really ‘problems’ because the deep complexity of both characters is what makes me love them and their story. but there is a certain narrative dissonance which I think the writers didn’t really intend and which accidentally resulted in really interesting characters. later movies didn’t know how to handle this so rather than taking advantage of it they tried to ignore it, causing these latent issues to be magnified in later movies. bc the later films just dropped this storyline. 

bc they couldn’t handle the magnitude. we should have had thor coming to terms with the flaws of Asgardian society and odin and his own flaws and having to make changes. we kinda got that. but not really. bc we never see thor really own up or call out Asgard or odin forcefully. and we never see him reconcile with loki or acknowledge loki’s side of things. thor 2 gets him partway there. and thor 3 could’ve gone the rest of the way but instead it retconned everything. which is such a shame. bc the writers accidentally created 2 really interesting morally complex characters and made a great setup for a story about forgiveness and reconciliation and deprogramming of deeply held bigotry. but then they backed away from those themes and never fully delivered.

tags via @au-bound​ 

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mastreworld

I rewatched Tales of Asgard with my offspring yesterday and got reminded of how good it is.

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jebbifurzz

Yes!!! This film was an underrated gem. The characters and their relationships were all developed so well, and the jotnar were actually treated with respect and care! The film made a point to show that killing jotnar and other beings was wrong, and that honestly made me so happy (haha that's such a low bar). Sif was much more of a fleshed out character, which was nice to see, along with the Valkyrior. And Loki was absolutely adorable, offering excuses for Thor all the time, getting back at people with his still-developing magic, joking that he's tougher than Thor for his ability to withstand the cold, and having his emotionally charged destruction moment at the end, saving the day but breaking down at the same time. But when he broke down, he had Thor there comforting him. It honestly gave me a lot of things that the Marvel films left me wanting.

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Loki does not know how to react to apologies. That time in 2011 when Thor apologized to Loki was literally the only time anyone has ever apologized to him. Every other time people come up with some kind of excuse why they don't have to say sorry. That's the real reason he lethaly bitch slapped Thor. Someone said sorry and he didn't know how to take it.

Being facetious btw, probably

I had to stop and think for a minute to remember what apology you were talking about (I haven't seen Thor 1 in ages!) 😅 I suppose you were referring to this:

But despite how much I love Thor... I refuse to call that an apology. His words are: "Brother, whatever I have done to wrong you, whatever I have done to lead you to do this, I am truly sorry." That sounds a lot like the typical stuff someone who has been hurting you non-stop would say "yeah yeah, I'm so sorry for whatever it is that you're upset about, now can we go back to being happy again?".

That kind of talk does a few things: 1) implies both parties are in the same level when that's not true, one has wronged the other (in this case Thor doesn't know what he's done wrong, that's kind of the problem), 2) the wrongdoer doesn't take any responsibility for their actions nor do they acknowledge where they went wrong, which means it's very likely they will act the same way again, 3) the feelings of the wronged party are not part of the equation as they're told to just stop and forget so that the relationship can be what it used to be in the past, therefore the wrongdoer gets away with it with no consequences to pay, the wronged party doesn't have their needs and feelings heard and things go back to how they used to be as if the damage hadn't been done... but the damage doesn't go away just because you act like it never happened.

In Thor and Loki's case I'm not defending Loki sending the Destroyer to New Mexico and basically firing right, left and centre, but there's a huge issue of miscommunication there plus a lot of issues between these two. At this point Thor doesn't know Loki is a Jotun and he's had a huge mental breakdown and his state is all but stable, he just knows he has lied to him about Odin's death, that Loki is on the throne (something Loki himself told him and Thor did NOT doubt at all, I love how easily he takes and accepts it. I didn't lie, I love Thor) and he has sent the Destroyer to Earth.

Now an argument could be made that for him, after spending a few days with the humans, he has gained some form of knowledge about them and he feels love and compassion for them. Loki has not and he treats their lives like the Asgardians have been treating the lives of those who were born in other realms for centuries: as nothing. Again, I may not defend the fact that Loki sent the Destroyer but I can understand it, just like I get why Thor wouldn't like it.

Plus there's the war between Asgard and Jotunheim, you know a simple thing, not really that important. Also, Thor started it so there's that.

This is basically the result of the triangulation started by Odin, the siblings fighting each other over something that's their father's fault.

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I dont consider this an apology from Thor, because he says "whatever I have done wrong" which means he still doesnt know what exactly he did to Loki,he just knows there must be something cos Loki is pissed.

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Loki and Sif being canonically ex-lovers is kind of meh since it looks like a man and a woman cannot just dislike each other unless there is a romantic/sexual tension between them.

Comes to show how unimaginative these people are. Either that or they can't figure out a story with a woman in it that doesn't revolve about loving or fucking a man.

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Guess I missed that tidbit. Rejecting that as much as the tv show and 3rd Thor movie, tbh.

It’s not really canon. It’s more Natalie Holt’s headcanon. She stated in an interview about the music she composed that it was her headcanon that Loki chopped off Sif’s hair after they had been “together”, and a lot of fans decided to run with it.

Canon or not, either way it’s pretty stupid. Can’t he have just decided it would be a funny prank to chop off her hair without having to say there was something sexual/romantic between them? 

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jebbifurzz

I wonder if she's thinking of Norse mythology Loki? He claimed to have slept with Sif in Lokasenna, and the context and her reaction implied it was true. And the cutting of a woman's hair was a punishment for adultery, so there's a tentative connection there, I suppose.

But yeah, MCU Loki is not myth Loki. Like, not even close. I love them both, but they are very different beasts. So this is just another person involved on the show that didn't bother to learn about MCU Loki before working on the series...

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"Loki brought it all on himself"

Ok, we need to talk about this frequent claim that Loki deserves all the bad things that have ever happened to him.

Firstly, let’s just get this out of the way. The amount of gaslight in the assertion that Loki “broke his family’s trust” is unbelievable. As in, I literally cannot believe there are people who genuinely think this. They turn canon completely on its head. Loki’s family betrayed his trust—by kidnapping him as an infant, lying to him for his entire life, raising him to despise the Jötnar while knowing that he was actually one of them, and chronically mistreating him—long before he took on any villainous behaviour. Loki’s story is very much one of what can happen when you push even a good person too damn far.

The worst thing Loki can be accused of having done prior to the complete mental collapse he suffers upon learning his life has been a lie, is letting a handful of Frost Giants into Asgard to crash Thor’s coronation. He does this partly—in his own words, and he has no reason to lie about this to Laufey of all people—to protect the kingdom from Thor’s foolishness and immaturity. And he is not alone in his belief that Thor is not ready to be ruler of Asgard. Odin himself, in a scene that did not make it into the film, expresses doubt about this, and Frigga, interestingly enough, reassures him by reminding him that Loki will be by Thor’s side to counsel him and, for lack of better phrasing, keep him from doing too much damage.

So I think we can dismiss that action as a “betrayal” of his family’s trust—and even if one does want to consider this a betrayal, it certainly isn’t one on a scale that merits spending thousands of years enduring psychological torture (which is what solitary confinement is).

Another assertion frequently made is that Loki manipulates Thor into going to Jötunheim to confront Laufey. Loki most definitely manipulates Thor—but at no point does he suggest doing that. Thor comes up with that harebrained scheme all on his own. The most Loki does is attempt to manipulate the rift between Thor and Odin by playing into Thor’s sense of righteous anger and his resentment at being shut down. Not only does Loki not suggest at any point that they should confront Laufey, but he actively takes steps to prevent them from reaching Jötunheim. He tries to talk Thor out of going; he orders a guard to inform Odin of their plans, expecting they’ll be intercepted in time; he takes the initiative to speak for them to Heimdall, very likely because he knows Heimdall dislikes/distrusts him. And after all of that fails, he attempts to talk Thor down from starting a war once they’re standing in Laufey’s court. Interestingly enough, I never see anyone claim that Thor betrays his family’s trust by reigniting a war with the Frost Giants, endangering the lives of his family, his friends, and his would-be subjects. It’s almost like all the accusations of betrayal that people level at Loki aren’t based on any sort of objectivity or moral high ground at all and are merely rationalizations by people working backwards from the conclusion that Loki is “evil”, simply because the narrative has framed him as a villain.

We also need to reckon with the fact that Loki did not “steal” the throne. Thor was stripped of his power and banished to Earth (which was not Loki’s doing) when Odin fell into the Odinsleep (also not Loki’s doing). After Thor, Loki is next in line for the throne. That’s literally just how the royal line of succession works. With both Odin and Thor incapacitated in one way or another, the responsibility of ruling falls legitimately to Loki. Frigga herself names him regent-king. Loki neither banishes Thor from Asgard nor forces Odin to go napnap, nor indeed does he even attempt to manipulate Frigga to pass the role of regent onto him—if anything, he’s shocked when she does so; therefore, it is completely unreasonable to accuse him of having “usurped” anything.

It’s equally unreasonable to claim that Loki “arranged for” Thor’s banishment, yet I see people say the same time and time again. Let us just recall that 1) Loki attempts to intervene when the fight between Thor and Odin begins to escalate

and 2) This is Loki’s face upon Odin’s inexplicably extreme punishment.

Look, I know Loki is known as being a liar, but if you think his shock here isn’t genuine, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.

Now, I could stop right here because the claim is that Loki betrayed his family’s trust first and thus brought everything on himself. And as I’ve clearly demonstrated, any villainous actions Loki takes, be they in the first Thor film or thereafter, come after learning the truth (aka having his trust broken by his family). But because I know how much people love to move the goalpost when it comes to Loki, let’s just go on to address why none of his actions are truly villainous in the classic sense of the word.

Every wrongful action Loki takes in this film, outside of the aforementioned interference with Thor’s coronation (which we’ve already established may have been ill-conceived but certainly was not a “betrayal”) is a reaction to various betrayals against him or a result of paranoia fueled by a complete emotional collapse.

That’s one Jötun who definitely fears him.

  • This goes far beyond the claim that he betrayed his family, but I’ll address it anyway: tricking the Frost Giants by inviting them into the palace under false pretenses is not a betrayal because there is no established relationship of trust between Loki and the Jötnar. You can’t betray a trust that doesn’t exist.
  • And attempted genocide is definitely not a betrayal of his family’s trust because genocide is literally what this family does. Genocide is their entire legacy. Despite claims to the contrary, this was an established fact well before Ragnarok. (”So I am no more than another stolen relic, locked up here until you might have use of me?” “I went down to Midgard to rule the people of Earth as a benevolent god, just like you.” “[What of the lives you took on Earth?] A mere handful compared to the number Odin has taken himself”). If anything, trying to destroy Jötunheim was an attempt to live up to the family name. It was misguided and wrong, but it was in no way out of line with what Loki and Thor were raised to do. Asgard is a warrior culture; killing their enemies is not perceived as immoral, but honourable. In fact, one of the reasons Loki’s actions were likely seen as dishonourable is because he used the power of the Bifröst rather than engaging the Jötnar in direct warfare. (Though it is possible, given the state of Svartalfheim, that this was also done in the past to wipe out the Dark Elves). But what was it that Odin said when he was yelling at Thor in the Observatory prior to banishing him?
Odin: “Do you realise what you’ve done? What you’ve started?” Thor: “I was protecting my home!” Odin: “You cannot even protect your friends! How can you hope to protect a kingdom?”

At no point does Odin state that killing the Jötnar is wrong. But he does criticize Thor for putting his friends in danger by going to confront Laufey. (This is still not the catalyst for Thor’s banishment. That comes later, when Thor calls Odin “an old man and a fool”). Loki, however, conveniently knows a way to destroy the Jötnar without risking any Asgardian lives. And since a condemnation of killing their enemies is not a part of Odin’s diatribe, he has no reason to believe that Odin disapproved of that part of Thor’s misbehaviour. So now he can say, “Look, Father. I did what Thor couldn’t!”

Thor: “Why have you done this?” Loki: “To prove to Father that I am a worthy son. When he awakens, I will have saved his life. I will have destroyed that race of monsters and I will be true heir to the throne.”

Only, as we all know, it’s in vain.

There’s only one moment in the entirety of the first Thor film that I would class as a genuine betrayal of his family’s trust, and that is that he puts both Frigga and Odin in harm’s way when he invites Laufey into Asgard under the false pretense of allowing him to slay Odin in his sleep. This was very short-sighted of him; what if he’d been too late and his scheme had gotten Frigga killed before he’d arrived to intervene? Betraying his family was not his intent here, but in his highly emotional state of mind, he did endanger them needlessly— much like Thor needlessly endangered his friends and his brother by going to Jötunheim and starting this whole mess to begin with. (However, I never see fans criticise Thor for this. And they should. My point here is not that Loki should not be criticised for endangering his family, but that there needs to be consistency. If you’re going to call out Loki for endangering his loved ones, you need to call out Thor as well. If you’re going to call out Loki for mass slaughter, you need to call out Thor as well).

In short, I think my favourite thing about the vast majority of Loki antis is their blatant disdain and lack of empathy for the mentally ill and the abused. And by ‘favourite thing’, I of course mean that it disgusts me.

(Tagging @magicmastered​ and @just-another-human-2019​ because you both expressed interest in the post 😘)

I have many thoughts but am having a hard time articulating them all just now.

I do want to talk about that third-to-last paragraph, though, because that’s one of the few moments that’ve really made me wonder what he was thinking. Frigga got smacked out of the way, IIRC, before Loki blasted Laufey.

Also, I’m not sure if he was watching the whole time and waiting for the best moment, or if he did only just arrive at the scene.

(I’ll add more later.)

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jujianjes

So a lot are addressing the 'feminism' in the Loki Series, so I might as well say this. As a feminist, I feel like their treatment of Sylvie compared to Loki was a fucking insult towards women.

They downgraded Loki, their male presenting character, so Sylvie, their female character, can shine.

Can't they make a female character that is really strong that she exceeded the range of their male character? Can't they show how powerful women can be? Are they saying that women's range is so limited that they had to lower their male character so she can be strong?

There was no proper representation in that goddamned show. They had the best opportunity to support the LGBTQ+ community, Loki is a genderfluid bisexual, but they didn't just missed it, they took it with them on the trip and threw it out the window of a train that's running on godspeed. And they couldn't even do feminism right.

I don't fucking know if they even tried with the representation thing or were they just being terfs.

Feminism isn't portraying women as perfect. We're human, we're flawed, we want to be allowed to be flawed.

Feminism isn't showing a woman doing evil things and framing them as good. Some women are evil, some women are abusive, it's not anti-women to acknowledge that.

Feminism isn't showing a woman treat a man who's supporting and helping her like crap. If she does she's wrong, frame it as that.

Feminism isn't having every woman on a show as evil except for the white one. Feminism is intersectional.

Feminism isn't putting women above men. We want equality not payback.

Feminism isn't humiliating and beating a man on screen. And the female gaze aims at putting men and women at the same level.

There is NO feminism in the Loki show, none.

"Feminism isn't putting women above men. We want equality not payback"

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Remind me again - why was Loki sent to time loop to be kicked into crotch for hours on repeat for apperently betraying Mobius, which led to Loki and Sylvie falling in love, so how can it be bad and a betrayal?

while Sylvie, who TVA has been chasing for many years and has murdered countless of their people, was just sitting alone in a room acting all smug?

Who's crime was bigger?

(Ravonna comes for her later, but Sylvie already had time to talk to B15 and get a weapon so no punishment for her,a mass murderer).

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tori-artemis

Hilarious how Loki's torture was fucking reduced to a hideous gag (cause it's so fucking funny when a queer man who isn't traditionally masculine gets repeatedly struck in his genitals! That's not fucked up or disgusting at all! 🙃🙃🙃).

And B-15 (the black woman who was never even given a proper name) ends up being tortured off screen (because of course she is! of course she gets tortured! 😠😠😠).

But then you have Sylvie and she's just chilling! Cause I guess it just wouldn't be cool or funny to have a white woman get repeatedly kneed in the crotch or punched in the boobs, it wouldn't be okay if she got tortured - not even off screen - cause then that'd make the TVA look like the soulless evil fascist machine it truly is, it'd show Mobius as the piece of shit he actually is, and then fans would be mad.

Cause you see, it's okay for queer "effeminate" men to be tortured, and kicked in the fucking crotch - they're unmasculine and too ""weak"" so they deserve to be punished and it's oh-so-funny when they are! And it's okay to torture and kill black women off screen (like C-20 and B-15) cause they're basically just props anyway, amirite???

But the idea of torturing a white woman is way too upsetting, it would anger too many fans and it'd make them hate Mobius and the TVA. So she gets to literally sit and chill in the next room while Loki is fucking tortured for cheap laughs and B-15 ends up paying for Sylvie's actions later on.

And then people wonder why I hate this fucking shit show.

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Just thinking about how even after having usurped his authority, Loki gives Heimdall the opportunity to walk away peacefully by merely exiling him, Heimdall rejects it in the most dramatic way possible by trying to take off Loki's head, and Loki still allows him to go on living.

Thinking about how Sif and the Warriors 3 talk down to Loki even as he's standing over them as king; go on to betray him in so dramatic a fashion that he winds up attempting suicide and falling into the hands of a genocidal cult; repeatedly threaten to kill him with no provocation while he's in freaking handcuffs, and he still saves them from facing any serious consequences for their treason.

Thinking about how Thor has spent centuries belittling and intimidating Loki and has made it very clear that he has no love left for him and doesn't even consider him his brother anymore; has never once tried to understand Loki's POV or how things got so messed up between them; tells him repeatedly that he doesn't trust him and twice uses Frigga's memory to manipulate or cause him pain, and Loki still risks both his life and his potential freedom to save not only Thor himself but also the mortal girlfriend he's just finished telling Thor isn't worth getting attached to.

Thinking about how Odin stripped Loki of his identity and his culture for personal/political gain; lied to him about it his entire life; raised him to despise his own race; withheld his approval at every turn, even as Loki was dangling over an abyss with tears streaming down his face; literally told him to be grateful he hadn't slaughtered him as an infant, before hypocritically sentencing him to eternity in the dungeons and making a point to rub it in his face that he'll never see the one person he ever felt loved by again; sent an impersonal guard to inform him that she was gone forever; I'M SURE THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER OFFENSES I'M MISSING HERE, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY MY BRAIN CAN'T EVEN KEEP TRACK OF THEM ALL. And still, the worst Loki does is wipe his memories and leave him in a retirement home on Earth with every expectation that he'll be well cared for until the end of his days.

*sigh* Just thinking about Loki.

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