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"You can stare down death with something to live for, or not. Something to live for... is better."
Welcome! I'm Jen. Wife, mother, television addict & reviewer. This blog focuses primarily on Arrow and Olicity.
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Diggle’s day is done. Oliver Queen’s partner and confidant on Arrow has had a solid run [...]

Hey fandom. The amazing stilettoroyalty brought this article to my attention and I wrote a response to it here. It's a piece of garbage but I actually have a bigger concern. The article contains some insulting remarks about our military. As a daughter of a veteran, I was incredibly offended. I would encourage the entire fandom to leave a comment on their website. You can post anonymously if you'd like. John Diggle is a fantastic fictional example of the lethal training & abilities of our nation's troops. The writers have created a character that wears his service with dignity, honor and pride. To say that Diggle is somehow less than any other "hero" on Arrow because "he just has military training and a gun" is insulting to the very people who take bullets for us on a daily basis.

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Executive producer Marc Guggenheim tackles the tough questions about Oliver and the rest of Team Arrow.

Say what you will about my bold questions….but at least I ask them, and get answers.

Nothing wrong with asking questions you want answers to.

Beware, SPOILERS in this article.

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stilettoroyalty! Girl, congrats on getting those in!

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Everyone - Meet EVA - Also known by most people that have encountered the little sociopath as arrowfan1.

We’re all use to Eva’s antics on tumblr, but most of us ignore her and stay in our own little bubbles of conversation. But this time, Eva’s antics have gone too far. Not only am I going to...

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jbuffyangel

I find this behavior incredibly disturbing. I'm all for healthy debate. There's nothing wrong with the Lauriver fandom and the Olicity fandom going at it, debating and arguing for our side. As long as everyone is respectful and keeps their comments to the show and not personal attacks, it's all in good fun.

But this? This crosses the line. It is so far beyond the line it's blows my mind. 

If you are a moderately successful to very successful Olicity blog on Tumblr you are going to run into Eva or arrowfan1. She trolls Olicity blogs and writes nasty things about Olicity fans.  She's a huge Laurel fan, which by itself isn't a bad thing. But if you don't worship at the altar of Laurel she'll take you to the wood shed. I use to spend a lot of time crafting intelligent & polite responses to her diatribes and I would never receive a response back. That's when I realized, she's not interested in debate - she's only interested in trashing Olicity fans. So I blocked her.

What she has done to Anetris is inexcusable. For one, don't lie. I've been a loyal follower of stilettoroyalty and she's always been a class act. Second, posting it on Stephen's Facebook page in some bizarre effort to embarrass stilettoroyalty is insane. To involve Stephen Amell in her petty nonsense is just beyond childish.  

I don't normally call out specific blogs but this behavior is concerning enough to me that I feel it's necessary. I would encourage Olicity blogs to block arrowfan1 and don't engage her.  It's just a word of caution. 

As for Anetris...you are a tough cookie but I want you to know I love you and think you are absolutely fabulous. Your blog is a gift to the Olicity fandom filled with insightful posts and hilarious comments. You speak your mind and stand up for your beliefs. The fandom is lucky to have you.

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Hi jbuffyangel A friend of mine just send me this and I just saw it and I was wondering what do you think about it?

I love the way he replied though 😊

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Per usual, I have lots to say.

Well first things first, stilettoroyalty is a bad ass. That girl is BRAVE. I admire her so much the way she speaks her mind & stands up for what she believes in, haters be damned. She exudes confidence and takes shit from no one...not even Stephen Amell. She's also one of the funniest people I've met on Tumblr. The Olicity fandom & Arrow fandom is lucky to have her. And the world needs more women like Anetris.

What I love about her response was that it was tough, she didn't shy away from the issue, but remained respectful. That's a tough line to toe my friends and she did it with class. She also managed to get an apology (FYI...that's what his second comment was) AND forced him to clarify his comment.

I'm new to Twitter. It's far more fast paced than either Tumblr or Facebook. There is an immediacy to it. I haven't run into much vitriol yet, but I even find myself feistier than usual on Twitter. Why? Brevity is a bitch. 140 word limit, you gotta make your damn point and make it short. That doesn't leave a lot of room for flowery words, fluffy adjectives or for that matter...detailed explanation of thought. You say what you gotta say and you hit enter.

Is what Stephen saying accurate? Sure it is. I'm sure there's just plenty of vitriol on his Twitter feed. And yes, the Internet provides anonymity so people don't take responsibility for what they say in the same way if they are standing in front a human being. That's not a Twitter problem, that's an INTERNET problem.

What I particularity enjoy about Twitter, other than chatting with friends about our favorite show, is the opportunity to have a DIRECT conversation with either an actor/actress or the writers. To have Marc Guggenheim answer a question? That's thrilling. An actor favorites your tweet? Mind blown. It's as close as any of us will ever get to talking to the creative minds behind this show and it's amazing.

Twitter is also one of the larger social media tools that networks are using to measure/track a show's success. It's used in combination with the Nielson data. This is no little thing. Shows with low ratings have been saved because the social media response, TWITTER, is huge. If you are not a Nielson family (which is a beyond antiquated system) Twitter and live tweeting is the next best thing to to actually impact your show's success.

Is it a fad? Maybe, maybe not. Isn't all technology a fad? Five years later it all becomes obsolete for the next big thing or the updated version. Myspace gave way to Facebook. Now it's Tumblr and Twitter. Instagram, Vine..honestly, I can't keep up with how many different accounts and social media platforms these celebrities have.

From Stephen's perspective, I can understand why he doesn't like Twitter. I follow his Facebook closely. Facebook is slower paced and given the popularity of his page, the amount of likes makes it very easy for Stephen to wade through the masses & figure out what's important to people, what's interesting and what he should comment on. 

It's also a very effective marketing tool for his charity work, which is a good chunk of what the page is for. Stephen manages it himself, no PR rep, and quite frankly (speaking from a Marketing background) he's done a great job. He keeps a tight rein on things. It's basically fan art, Q&As, merchandising/auctions, funny photos/Arrow stories, spoilers and charity information. Has there been the occasional fuck up? Sure. But they've been few & far between and he handles them with grace and more class than most PR agencies would.

Twitter is just a different beast. It's more difficult to filter messages, manage and wade through the masses. It's less about Stephen decimating information and more about information coming at Stephen. Which...eh. It might not be his cup of tea and that's totally fine.

But what Anetris is saying is 100% right. We are the fans. We have a right to comment on the show, the characters and the plot lines. If we don't like something...we are damn well going to say it. Arrow is a product that they are selling to us. Our viewership is making everyone on Arrow, including Stephen Amell, A LOT of money. There is a give & take to that. It affords us the right to tell the writers and actors what we enjoy and don't enjoy about the show. Hopefully its polite, but hey...you know what? When you are invested in characters & a TV show and it's not going in a direction you like, that's incredibly frustrating. Humanity is humanity and when people are frustrated & angry they are going to say frustrated & angry things.  Especially with a 140 character word limit. Arrow is a product and sometimes...we ain't buying it. Audience members are CONSUMERS. And consumers provide feedback.

Feedback is not all bad. In fact, it's very very good. If something isn't popular or not working or confusing, the writers can find out almost immediately and FIX IT. Creativity and an overall vision is important in TV, but so is keeping your audience engaged and happy. Twitter is a fabulous way to meet both ends of that spectrum.

Bottom line? Anetris is right. Can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen.

But I don't think Stephen was truly referencing CHARACTER feedback or show feedback. I believe Stephen when he says he invites criticism because quite frankly, I've seen him do it in interviews and on his Facebook page. I don't think show criticism is what he was talking about.

So let's talk about what his real beef is. Cruelty. To me? That's a Katie Cassidy remark. For whatever reason, Katie Cassidy gets a lot of hate. For the most part, it's unwarranted, and the lines between reality and fiction get blurred. The issue is Laurel Lance and not Katie Cassidy. Laurel Lance is the most problematic character with significant screen time. Those problems created a dislike for the character, plain and simple. Does KC say stuff that I disagree with? Absolutely. But so do a lot of celebrities. Doesn't mean she should get death threats. Given the immediacy & brevity of Twitter I can understand how Stephen might see more of it on that platform. I can also understand that he has a friendship with Katie and that's got to be frustrating and would understandably sour his opinion of Twitter. Do I know for certain that his "anonymity breeds cyber bravery" comment is about Katie Cassidy? No. It's an educated guess, but I think it's a good one.

My issue with his issue is he's saying cruelty on the Internet is limited to Twitter which is bullshit. The Internet is the wild wild west. It's everywhere. On every platform and every social media. Including Facebook.

Now, to comment on Stephen's Facebook page...you have to like the Facebook page. Which means...people can see YOUR Facebook page. Unless you've got some tight security, the minute you comment...anyone can see your personal Facebook page. Facebook, unlike Twitter, is a much more personally informative platform. I've got photos of my daughter on mine, my family. Everything you want to know about me is on my Facebook page. That's why I never comment on SA's page. Now, you could make a separate page and some people do...but most don't. 

So when someone is an asshole on Stephen's page, there's less anonymity to it than Twitter. Which results in a bit more ownership & responsibility to whatever is said. Does it remove the issue? Hello no. But there is more anonymity on Twitter and that's just a fact. 

Bottom line? Stephen is well in his rights to not like Twitter and to comment on such. Anetris is well within her rights to disagree. Each party was polite, respectful and classy. Isn't it great when we all play nice? ;)

If Stephen Amell stops using Twitter, Twitter will survive. The Arrow fandom will survive. Twitter will still be a useful tool to provide show feedback and impact ratings...with or without Stephen Amell. 

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Anetris aka @stilettoRoyalty on twitter tweeted that if an Olicity fan has not discovered "Jen" they are not living. I tweeted back to her and sought guidance to this blissful life of Olicity she spoke of that provided all this enlightenment and she directed me your way. I must say I would follow her a thousand times if I could. I have spent hours on your page learning and laughing! I shall come to you with questions in the future my Oracl-icily! For now hello...& thank you!

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Oh my word. Seriously? stilettoroyalty IS MY GIRL. I love her. She is the shit. Thanks for the shout out babe!!!

I’m so happy you found me!!! Yeah!!! new friend, I’m all giddy. You send me an ask any time my dear…can’t wait to get to know you better and hear your thoughts!

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I never said that Laurel & Felicity HAVE to be friends. I said that they would probably be friendly. That’s my theory on where the writers are going to go, because quite frankly the writers have said that’s the direction they’re going to go. Whether we like it or not.  The fact that I said I believe Laurel & Felicity will be friends doesn’t mean I’m demanding people to like it.  People ask  my opinion on what I think is going to happen on the show. I never make demands on anyone reading my posts that they must like something or accept anything I say. You are more than entitled to your opinions and my posts are simply mine. They aren’t edicts. I am one small voice among many.

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Hey Jen. Since this is the part that relates to me, let me clarify. I didn’t say that YOU were the one “demanding” people to like Laurel/Felicity. That was literally an aside because there are some parts of the fandom that do try and force that issue. Maybe it should have gone in a separate post of its own, and I’m sorry if you thought I was calling you personally out on it. I actually think that you have a very reasoned way of approaching Laurel. And yeah, we’ll agree to disagree on that character as a whole, but I still respect your opinions on it. And hey, debates are what fire the blood, right? We can ultimately disagree but it’s always fun to talk about why. :)

Oh absolutely sweetie…sorry. Did I sound pissed off about that? I’m not lol. No, no no. I love debating this stuff with you guys.  Honestly, I figured my post was sounding too demanding like “This is what you must think about Laurel” which is why I tagged it off yours. We’re all good. You’re still my soul sister. I love ya. I was a little cranky about the race stuff but stilettoroyalty remains a goddess among us all in my mind. My love for her runs deep.

*snacks on Doritos* What’d I miss? LOL. Did my black fist-ed afro pic encrusted post get you into trouble again, Jenn? Sorry! *waves* It’s all good. You are still a diamond, girl. Do you. Love you like a fat kid loves cake. Oh, wait, are the body issues police going to come after me for that? *shrugs* Toodles.

LOL...and this response is WHY you are a goddess among us all. I see your cake and raise you a glass a wine. Body issues police be damned. Love ya babe. Cheers

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I never said that Laurel & Felicity HAVE to be friends. I said that they would probably be friendly. That’s my theory on where the writers are going to go, because quite frankly the writers have said that’s the direction they’re going to go. Whether we like it or not.  The fact that I said I believe Laurel & Felicity will be friends doesn’t mean I’m demanding people to like it.  People ask  my opinion on what I think is going to happen on the show. I never make demands on anyone reading my posts that they must like something or accept anything I say. You are more than entitled to your opinions and my posts are simply mine. They aren’t edicts. I am one small voice among many.

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Hey Jen. Since this is the part that relates to me, let me clarify. I didn’t say that YOU were the one “demanding” people to like Laurel/Felicity. That was literally an aside because there are some parts of the fandom that do try and force that issue. Maybe it should have gone in a separate post of its own, and I’m sorry if you thought I was calling you personally out on it. I actually think that you have a very reasoned way of approaching Laurel. And yeah, we’ll agree to disagree on that character as a whole, but I still respect your opinions on it. And hey, debates are what fire the blood, right? We can ultimately disagree but it’s always fun to talk about why. :)

Oh absolutely sweetie...sorry. Did I sound pissed off about that? I'm not lol. No, no no. I love debating this stuff with you guys.  Honestly, I figured my post was sounding too demanding like "This is what you must think about Laurel" which is why I tagged it off yours. We're all good. You're still my soul sister. I love ya. I was a little cranky about the race stuff but stilettoroyalty remains a goddess among us all in my mind. My love for her runs deep.

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Anonymous said: So KC just did a con where she says that “Laurel isn’t afraid to challenge Oliver. She will stand up to him. He needs her.” Correct me if I’m wrong but the woman who does this & has been doing this since season 1 is Felicity....

1) I'm not on Twitter so I don't feel informed enough to comment on what AK tweets and what he doesn't tweet.  If Andrew is pushing a KC agenda or promotion that he doesn't pursue with other cast mates I find that fairly ridiculous.  The way to solve Katie Cassidy's promotion issues isn't by retweeting; it's by writing a better fucking character. If what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt you my dear, then AK should spend a little less time on Twitter promotion for KC and more time putting pen to paper and writing a consistent character. That's just my two cents on the whole Twitter debacle.

2) My post was not meant to imply that because Laurel is no longer a threat to Olicity there's no reason to dislike her. Far from it in fact. The comments KC made were being viewed through a romantic lens by the Anons who sent me the asks in the first place. I was challenging them to remove the romantic component to KC's advice/needs her comment.  Since I don't believe Laurel or Lauriver is remotely a threat to Olicity anymore, my advice was to stop treating every comment KC makes as a threat or every action by Laurel as a threat to Olicity.  That being said, there are 15,000 other reasons to dislike Laurel. Reasons I've written post after post after post about. This post was intended to remove one of those reasons, because it's simply not a reality in the show anymore. That still leaves 14,999 other reasons to dislike Laurel that have nothing to do with Olicity. This was simply a Laurel post that DID have something to do with Olicity.

I do not have a "We must protect Laurel at all cost" attitude and it really frustrates me that you would insulate that I do. Search anti-Laurel anti-Lauriver on my blog. It's a fucking novel.  I am the hardest on Laurel in comparison to any other character on Arrow. But this is the essential problem with discussing Laurel Lance. Either I am being too hard on her, not holding her in upmost reverence, OR I'm not hating on her enough. It's really a no win situation.

Yes, there is a version of Laurel that I like. We're going to have to agree to disagree on that.  I have repeatedly stated that I am giving the writers one more chance. Season 3 is their last chance at Laurel Lance redemption in my eyes. If the writers choose to write Laurel consistently from the version that I like, then yes...I have hope for the character. I am cautiously optimistic, but by no means do I play favorites with Laurel. I actually think I'm pretty fair & balanced when it comes to her and ALL the characters on Arrow. I take the good with the bad.  I'm also letting the episodes air before I make a final judgment on the character. I appreciate that you already have, but that doesn't mean everyone has to do the same.

Finally, how do you know I'm not in Mogadishu blogging from my hut? Okay fine...I'm totally white. But I REALLY take exception to you stating that's the reason I like Laurel Lance. Race has absolutely nothing to do with it.  I look at the character as a whole, and just because I see positive traits in Laurel that you don't doesn't mean my reason is because Laurel is white. Quite frankly stating as such is insulting.  I write post after post both positive & negative about all the characters on Arrow regardless of race. I could give a flying fuck what color they are. They could be purple for all I care. It doesn't matter if Laurel is played by Katie Cassidy or Gabrielle Union, my character assessment would remain the same.  There are both positives and negatives with Laurel and I talk about both all the time, regardless of the actress' skin color.

Do you know what character I NEVER say anything negative about?  John Diggle. Is that because he's a black man? No. It's because John Diggle is flawless. I have yet to really see a negative trait produced in the character. I named my fucking blog after a John Diggle quote.  I constantly say I never argue with the character. Now, eventually there might be something about Diggle's character I disagree with and when that time comes I'm sure I'll comment on it. That day is not today and quite frankly Diggle is Yoda to me. You don't argue with Yoda.  But that's got nothing to do with the color of his skin. That has to do with the CHARACTER the writers have created and the one David Ramsey portrays.  I don't see John Diggle as being pushed out by Roy Harper or Laurel Lance. One ridiculous poster doesn't get it done for me. He's JOHN DIGGLE. He is a male lead, second only to Oliver Queen. That position will never be usurped in my mind. Not by Roy, not by Laurel...not by anyone.

But on the flip side of that I'm not going to defend or a promote character based simply on their race. I'm sorry, I just won't. If it's not okay to support a character based on my demographic, as you say, then  it's not okay to support a character based solely on ANY demographic. Just because it's the flip and it's your demographic being represented doesn't make it anymore right. I've got no problem supporting diversity and I think Arrow does a halfway decent job at it. The cast is diverse. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely, but that goes for every show on every network. However, I look at the character, not the color of their skin, to form my opinions on them. From my standpoint, the Arrow cast can be paint by numbers, a fucking rainbow. My opinion doesn't change.

3) I absolutely understand that some are going to reject Laurel being part of Team Arrow. And by the way, I've stated about a THOUSAND TIMES, that Roy and Laurel joining Team Arrow in no way usurps Diggle & Felicity's place in  Oliver's heart & life. There is a reason why the writers had Oliver say, "This started with the three of us. It's time we got back to that." The writers made it canon. No matter who joins the team, no matter who comes and goes, this trio is the foundation of Arrow. This trio is the one that matters, all additional team members are simply secondary from Oliver's viewpoint. But just because they are secondary doesn't mean that they don't matter or will eventually become vital members of the team.

The problem with writing Laurel off before a single episode of S3 has aired is that we haven't given her a chance to EARN her spot on Team Arrow. I am in agreement at the point Laurel was in at 2x23, she hasn't earned her spot on Team Arrow. When Katie made that comment she's already 8 episodes into S3. Perhaps Laurel is earning her spot, it remains to be seen, but I'm not going to judge it until I actually see a damn episode.

I never said that Laurel & Felicity HAVE to be friends. I said that they would probably be friendly. That's my theory on where the writers are going to go, because quite frankly the writers have said that's the direction they're going to go. Whether we like it or not.  The fact that I said I believe Laurel & Felicity will be friends doesn't mean I'm demanding people to like it.  People ask  my opinion on what I think is going to happen on the show. I never make demands on anyone reading my posts that they must like something or accept anything I say. You are more than entitled to your opinions and my posts are simply mine. They aren't edicts. I am one small voice among many.

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Anonymous said: Hi Jen!! I’m Maria, I found your blog two days ago and I just can’t stop reading all your posts!! You are so romantic and funny :-)sorry for my English, it’s my 4th language, I speak French like your mum (by the way I like her and I can’t wait to know what...

stilettoroyalty: you never cease to crack me up. Way to make it through a Lance post. Here's a shot:

shipper-heart1207: I'm so glad my posts showing up on your dash make you happy. I'd totally understand if you got sick of me. I post a lot of shit. lol

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So, despite being home sick from work I’ve had a really good day. I adore you my fellow Oliciters. You’re all so incredibly talented witch vids, gifs, fanfic, metas and I’m just in complete awe of your creativity and the positivity you spread. I’ve had so many personal revelations since joining...

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Ahhh....feel better sweetie!!!! Love you!

and yes...it is indeed a good day when stilettoroyalty follows you. She is awesome & hilarious and a gift to the fandom. I'm with ya.

By the way...if you aren't following thetechnologicallyunsavvy please do so. She's literally an angel on earth. LITERALLY.

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