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Welcome to Operation Iceberg, a project aimed at ranking theories from George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series by their credibility.
Last update: Varys is a merman (theory #17)
Welcome to Operation Iceberg, a project aimed at ranking theories from George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series by their credibility.
Last update: Varys is a merman (theory #17)
D&D and George said that main characters will have the same stories in the books, but not the secondary characters. Sansa and Jeyne fusion is one thing (Jeyne is a secondary non-pov character, so that’s not a big deal that Sansa’s story absorbed hers), but changing plotlines for THREE main characters and to completely omiss a whole love story between two MAIN characters? How is that possible? And I’ve seen 3BP, they changed the stories to make them more digestible, but main characters still stand almost the same (some fusion happened here too) and the romantic storylines are between the characters that they are supposed to be, so it’s not like they like doing something like that.
Hi Nonny,
Thanks for the ask!
I disagree with your interpretation.
You are describing something that writers do all the time in adaptations. Look how many writers came to George and wanted to eliminate half of the story because they thought the canvas was too big and so they wanted to simplify things. That’s what D&D ended up doing at the end.
But what was bad about D&D, and in a way was insulting to the audience is that they hinted at the real stories in the background. They didn’t totally eliminate the Jon and Sansa relationship. Just look at how they wrote and framed them in a romantic manner in a way they never did Jon and Dany.
Other important changes they made that included main characters include leaving out the entire Lady Stoneheart arc. Do you think that Catelyn wasn’t a main character or that the Lady Stoneheart arc won’t be important? They left out Faegon. He is not a main character but his arc plays a very important role in Dany’s story and will take up a big chunk of her TWOW and ADOS story. Faegon/Dany isn’t even the final Dance with Dragons. That will be Jon and Dany, but it’s a main preview, and George has been foreshadowing it for hundreds of years in story time. And yet D&D cut it. Do you think that’s not a major change or isn’t important?
They completely eliminated Sansa Vale arc, and the events of the Tourney of the Winged Knights. Do you think that George has been setting that up since the first book and heavily foreshadowing it in the Hands Tourney and Oberyn and the Mountain’s fight because it won’t be important to the storyline? Sansa’s vale arc will be extremely important to final events. Aspects of it are literally part of prophecy. Sansa has been mentioned in three possibly 4 prophecies/visions and people still think that she’s not important.
I stand by my theory that Jon and Dany are a show only thing and that the books foreshadows them being in opposition to each other and not being in a romantic relationship.
Sansa Longs for Home: another piece in my ASOIAF fan art inspired by medieval manuscript illustrations. The animals and plants in this drawing represent the parties who spy on Sansa in ACOC and ASOS
She presses the call button. It rings and rings.
This is Jon, leave a message.
Or, Jon goes missing, and Sansa finds more than she's looking for.
anyway
Sansa and her Lady 🐺
Sandor confessing to Arya about how he almost raped her sister and killed Mycah is quite similar to Gregor confessing to Oberyn how he raped and killed his sister and nephew. Arya after his confession refused to mercy kill him while Oberyn was succeeded in harming Gregor.
Sandor may be his brother's victim but in many instances he became like his brother.
So much so!!
By this point they have essentially switched places. The former war criminal terrorizing the Riverlands has become a kingsguard, but actually he's dead and his head is travelling without him. He is a zombie puppet , a toy knight like the one he burned his brother over. Whatever else may happen to him now, he is no longer Gregor. He is Ser Robert Strong.
The former kingsguard has become, to the public, an outlaw terrorizing the Riverlands, but actually he's "dead" and his head helm is travelling without him. He is a gravedigger, a repentant servant on the Quiet Isle, and for the time being no longer Sandor.
His lifelong obsession, his villainous brother, the object of his hate and all of his contrary life choices, is both gone and not gone.
He might choose life. He might choose to be free.
But the Stranger is in the stables, waiting, implacable.
If the gravedigger transforms back into Sandor, there can be only one destination for him.
"Archmaester Brude, who was born and raised in the shadow city that huddles beneath the crumbling walls of Sunspear, once famously observed that Dorne has more in common with the distant North than either does with the realms that lie between them. "One is hot and one is cold, yet these ancient kingdoms of sand and snow are set apart from the west of Westeros by history, culture, and tradition. Both are thinly peopled, compared to the lands betwixt. Both cling stubbornly to their own laws and their own traditions. Neither was ever truly conquered by the dragons. The King in the North accepted Aegon Targaryen as his overlord peaceably, whilst Dorne resisted the might of the Targaryens valiantly for almost two hundred years before finally submitting to the Iron Throne through marriage. Dornishmen and Northmen alike are derided as savages by the ignorant of the five "civilized" kingdoms, and celebrated for their valor by those who have crossed swords with them."
-The World of Ice and Fire, Dorne, page 235
so i’ve lined up my theory on how bran will be king in harrenhal but i was a little lax on details about king bran foreshadowing. there’s the “bran in harrenhal” stuff i’ve outlined which includes-
but why king bran specifically? well…
for one thing, bran is our introduction to the entire series (barring the prologue, rip to 3 icons). he introduces us to the brutality of this world, to the themes of justice, kingship, leadership, to the Others, and to magic. that very important lesson about how the person to pass judgement must swing the sword, and must be sure that the life they're taking is one that deserves to be taken? That comes to us not through Jon, or even Arya, but Bran:
Yet our way is the older way. The blood of the First Men still flows in the veins of the Starks, and we hold to the belief that the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. If you would take a man’s life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die.
That last sentence in particular is a belief that really sticks in all the kids heads as they go about their journeys, and it is through Bran that we learn it.
But in his second chapter, Bran also introduces us to jaime, cersei, and the main plot twist of the first book which kick starts the war of five kings. before he's pushed from the tower, this is all we know about Jaime-
He’s blonde, he’s named Jaime, and he killed the king.
Then the first thing he does is attempt to slay Bran.
controversial thought but is there doubt that george would want to rewrite things that he originally planned on since the books have gone mainstream? j0nsa as a plot point in the books might split the fans even harder or cause a meltdown in fans, he might've seen the reaction to the ending and choose to rewrite a lot of things to appease fans?
i don’t know man, i don’t think he cares as much about what the fans think. he’s called tumblr a “cesspool” long before and i doubt he’s the kind of person who stays awake at night worrying about whether fans would like his content or not.
he’s straight up called out ryan condol in his blogspot, the consequences of which (whether the show gets cancelled or HBO pulls his royalties or whatever) I’m sure would put a dent in his income. and yet, he did. because he had to because of how much he loves his art. which is also the reason why he keeps on writing & then rewriting twow - he’s not worried about fan reactions, he just wants it to be well done because that’s his art.
so umm no, i don’t think grrm will change the ending to appease the fans. if he does change the ending (to any degree, and is a whole other topic because i DOUBT he’ll drastically change it) then it’ll be because it aligns better with the story he’s trying to tell.
i don’t get it, why is the general fandom so irritated w jonsas “overthinking things” and/or “jumping to conclusions”? isn’t that the whole point of reading these books? to find meaning in dirt? like how is it my fault that jon shares the same anti parallels w joffrey that he does with the og lannister suitor of the ashford tourney
ngl dany was funny as hell for naming her cream and gold dragon viserion immediately after killing his white haired namesake with molten gold
War was easier than daughters.
GAME OF THRONES 01.03 (2011) dir. Brian Kirk
Sansa VI ASOS
Theon I TWOW
Sansa I AGOT
not Sansa feeding Lady at the table and then covering for Arya in her first chapter 👀