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Finrod and Maedhros in the halls or post embodiment talking about Sauron.

Not about the torture or the agony they went through, more like gossiping on how much of a peacock he was, strutting around and bragging about how beautiful he is.

If you came across them in the street you’d think they’re talking about one of those overdressed Tirion nobles, but then you hear “I preferred his torture to his speeches because dear Eru those were a whole new level of pain-“

“Heard all of two before being mauled. Definitely preferred the werewolf.”

Celebrimbor sometimes joins these sessions but he’s got the additional years of having known Annatar and it’s therapeutic to talk about how self absorbed he was to people who really understand. Safe to say Maedhros and Finrod sombrely commiserate the kid on dealing with that for centuries.

“How did you two become friends??”

“I think his vanity numbed my brain.”

“That’s fair.”

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It always gets me that literally *everything* hinged on the Fellowship getting this *right.* All the battles with Morgoth, Sauron, the events of the last Three Ages and beyond.

This was the final chance.

Either they succeed. Or all those battles and all that pain was for nothing, and Middle Earth falls to darkness.

And if ME does. It’s not far fetched to assume Valinor would be next.

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But like it was always about the value of the little people. A value which historically, most people, the Princes of the First Age most of all, didn’t really… realise.

They dragged everyone into their wars and feuds and at the end of everything, everyone suffered for it.

They were out for themselves, because *they* wanted to be kings and queens, *they* wanted revenge, *they* wanted to go back to the wilds of Endorë and doomed everyone alongside them, cajoling and convincing them until they were riled up and probably not thinking straight.

They had to be right. If the rest of their people suffered for their bad decisions… too bad. There was so much pride and arrogance across the Sindar and Noldor both that their power, the thing that made them so great became their downfall.

The people of the Third Age, men and elves and dwarves, might have been ‘diminished’ but that meant they took time to appreciate their people. It means Aragorn at the Black gate sees there are young men from Rohan who are *terrified*, and entirely genuinely without judgement, allows them to leave. It means he goes around place to place, city to city, getting to know everyone as people. Seeing their value, seeing their worth as equal to his own. And he treats them accordingly as just as important rather than making everything about him.

It’s what allows him to deceive Sauron into thinking he’s acting as his ancestors did, proud and self assured whilst the whole quest and everything he does is about helping Frodo. About making sure he succeeds.

As he tells Frodo. “Deeds will not be less valiant because they are unpraised.” And that’s where these great heroes of the past fell short. For them, especially the elves of the First Age, everything was about valour and glory and victory. Literally Fëanor: ‘our deeds will be a matter of song until the last days of Arda.’

We needed the king who knew what it was to be a ranger, scorned despite being the only thing keeping them alive. The king who was a healer rather than a warlord. The man who only wanted his people safe, would pass all great deeds and live hated and homeless if only they could live without darkness.

The hobbits who were so pure of heart, who found joy in the little things. Even Legolas who would’ve grown up seeing Mirkwood steadily fall further and further into darkness, Spiders and orcs steadily encroaching, forcing the elves further into their last stronghold. The Dwarves who’d lost homes and knew their fortresses could only hold so long if Sauron enslaved everyone else.

All of these guys who held family and love for their people above all else. Who wanted a world free of war, who didn’t care for great deeds or ballads speaking of them. Who respected those of lesser official standing and saw them as people with opinions as valid as their own.

They just wanted their homes. They wanted their family and friends alive.

They longed for peace. Not glory or land.

And that’s where those of the First and Second Age failed.

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I have this hc that Sauron’s obsession with vanity led him to spend years studying Maedhros’ features and trying to emulate them. When he couldn’t get it right, the proportions always a little off, red hair never deep enough, he took his anger out on Mae and when that option was gone, tried to pull from others also renown for their beauty instead.

Fast forward a few centuries and turns out all that work wasn’t entirely useless. And Sauron knows exactly what to do with the features he was able to recreate. Weaving them into his new face, the line of Maitimo’s smile, the set of his eyebrows, the crease of his eyes, he puts just enough to be familiar, but not enough to set off any alarms.

Celebrimbor doesn’t know *why* he trusts Annatar so easily, just that he’s got a good feeling about him. The Maia reminds him of someone he can’t quite put a finger on, but it’s a good association and he doesn’t think on it too deeply. Grows to call him a brother in all but blood.

Of course we all know how that ends. And the last thing Celebrimbor sees is his eldest Uncle’s smile, a mockery of the warmth it should hold as Sauron finally ends his torture.

(Elrond, on the other hand, never saw Maitimo who used to laugh easily and play silly games with children. Only grim Maedhros. The gentle features Sauron steals are alien to him. A stranger with too many familiar features he can’t quite place, twisted the wrong way, leaving him deeply unsettled. It’s why he immediately tells Gil Galad to send Annatar away, hiding trembling hands in his sleeves.)

Makes perfect sense! If Maedhros was really The Prettiest, Sauron would be so jealous seeing him all the time during Mae's imprisonment in Angband. He would be OBSESSED by recreating that look. Until inevitably admitting it's impossible.

It would also explain why some would love Annatar so easily, as Maedhros was beloved by Fëanorians. I know in Lindon probably nobody would associate Maedhros with good things (except for Elrond, of course), but as you said, the resemblance could be really subtle - enough for Fëanorians to unconsciously notice it, but not enough for the others, who would just see a pretty face, actually a VERY pretty face.

What I love the most about this idea is the fact that Elrond wouldn't need any visions to recognize there's something wrong with Annatar. While Elrond's life is basically "A Tragedy: To Be Continued", this would be a perfect example of bad things that ultimately led to something good (just as Glum stole the Ring from Frodo at Mount Doom and, without meaning to, caused its destruction). It would be enough to just look at Annatar, his experience allowing him to recognize this stranger's twisted nature - something that used to be good, but no longer is; although Elrond wouldn't be able to put a finger on it, or he would think it wrong for different reasons, the fact still stands.

(Also, it's quite sad that Elrond would consider cheerful Maedhros unsettling, as he never got to see Maedhros in Aman, before all the darkness become ever-present in the life of Noldors.)

I think that Tolkien himself would approve.

Yesss exactly!! Love your analysis into it!

Also Maedhros was probably known as trustworthy, and I believe that would reflect in his face if you know what I mean. Throughout Aman pre-drama he was known across the land for being mature, kind, and fair. The kind of guy you could leave valuables with and come and collect them in perfect condition. Or go to for advice and know you’re getting an honest response. Even in Beleriand he lost the softness but retained that trustworthy nature, which is how he was able to build the Union for the Nirnaeth.

Sauron would mimic that and mostly succeed, at least in giving that kind of warm trustworthy vibe he had in Aman that you have to be Very Good to see through. He is a deceiver after all and has been doing this probably as long as elves have existed, if not longer.

I like to think there were many elves across ME confused why Gil Galad’s herald immediately refused Annatar’s aid. Some even thought it was due to a Fëanorian upbringing until Celebrimbor welcomed Annatar and silenced those rumours.

(Yep. Maedhros really did try for Elrond and Elros, but he only really smiled at most, and usually with his eyes rather than his mouth. Even that was shadowed in agony and grief, especially with the elves even now inexperienced with dealing with constant loss, and not knowing how to help.

I like to think it’s what really pushed Elrond and Elros to become healers before warriors.

Sorry I’ve gone off topic, these poor elves give me all the feels 😅)

I love YOUR analysis! Don't forget YOU started it😉

I can vividly imagine Maedhros as the beloved and wise prince and people adored him. And yeah, it's really said to know all the things he survived and how his life became more and more miserable.

I bet that there were all kinds of rumour about Elrond and not just during the Second Age. Actually, I think it started with Elwing's escape and that it has never stopped.

Don't apologize, Tolkien was master of complicated situations and relationships. And anything concerning Elrond gives me feels. He just deserves a break❤️‍🩹

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I have this hc that Sauron’s obsession with vanity led him to spend years studying Maedhros’ features and trying to emulate them. When he couldn’t get it right, the proportions always a little off, red hair never deep enough, he took his anger out on Mae and when that option was gone, tried to pull from others also renown for their beauty instead.

Fast forward a few centuries and turns out all that work wasn’t entirely useless. And Sauron knows exactly what to do with the features he was able to recreate. Weaving them into his new face, the line of Maitimo’s smile, the set of his eyebrows, the crease of his eyes, he puts just enough to be familiar, but not enough to set off any alarms.

Celebrimbor doesn’t know *why* he trusts Annatar so easily, just that he’s got a good feeling about him. The Maia reminds him of someone he can’t quite put a finger on, but it’s a good association and he doesn’t think on it too deeply. Grows to call him a brother in all but blood.

Of course we all know how that ends. And the last thing Celebrimbor sees is his eldest Uncle’s smile, a mockery of the warmth it should hold as Sauron finally ends his torture.

(Elrond, on the other hand, never saw Maitimo who used to laugh easily and play silly games with children. Only grim Maedhros. The gentle features Sauron steals are alien to him. A stranger with too many familiar features he can’t quite place, twisted the wrong way, leaving him deeply unsettled. It’s why he immediately tells Gil Galad to send Annatar away, hiding trembling hands in his sleeves.)

Makes perfect sense! If Maedhros was really The Prettiest, Sauron would be so jealous seeing him all the time during Mae's imprisonment in Angband. He would be OBSESSED by recreating that look. Until inevitably admitting it's impossible.

It would also explain why some would love Annatar so easily, as Maedhros was beloved by Fëanorians. I know in Lindon probably nobody would associate Maedhros with good things (except for Elrond, of course), but as you said, the resemblance could be really subtle - enough for Fëanorians to unconsciously notice it, but not enough for the others, who would just see a pretty face, actually a VERY pretty face.

What I love the most about this idea is the fact that Elrond wouldn't need any visions to recognize there's something wrong with Annatar. While Elrond's life is basically "A Tragedy: To Be Continued", this would be a perfect example of bad things that ultimately led to something good (just as Glum stole the Ring from Frodo at Mount Doom and, without meaning to, caused its destruction). It would be enough to just look at Annatar, his experience allowing him to recognize this stranger's twisted nature - something that used to be good, but no longer is; although Elrond wouldn't be able to put a finger on it, or he would think it wrong for different reasons, the fact still stands.

(Also, it's quite sad that Elrond would consider cheerful Maedhros unsettling, as he never got to see Maedhros in Aman, before all the darkness become ever-present in the life of Noldors.)

I think that Tolkien himself would approve.

Yesss exactly!! Love your analysis into it!

Also Maedhros was probably known as trustworthy, and I believe that would reflect in his face if you know what I mean. Throughout Aman pre-drama he was known across the land for being mature, kind, and fair. The kind of guy you could leave valuables with and come and collect them in perfect condition. Or go to for advice and know you’re getting an honest response. Even in Beleriand he lost the softness but retained that trustworthy nature, which is how he was able to build the Union for the Nirnaeth.

Sauron would mimic that and mostly succeed, at least in giving that kind of warm trustworthy vibe he had in Aman that you have to be Very Good to see through. He is a deceiver after all and has been doing this probably as long as elves have existed, if not longer.

I like to think there were many elves across ME confused why Gil Galad’s herald immediately refused Annatar’s aid. Some even thought it was due to a Fëanorian upbringing until Celebrimbor welcomed Annatar and silenced those rumours.

(Yep. Maedhros really did try for Elrond and Elros, but he only really smiled at most, and usually with his eyes rather than his mouth. Even that was shadowed in agony and grief, especially with the elves even now inexperienced with dealing with constant loss, and not knowing how to help.

I like to think it’s what really pushed Elrond and Elros to become healers before warriors.

Sorry I’ve gone off topic, these poor elves give me all the feels 😅)

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Introducing… Spear Wielding Elrohir!!!

Hc that Elrohir is a master spearsman. We’re talking near Gil Galad levels here, nigh unbeatable by most others. Ofc it helps that he’s been trained by masters of the First, Second and Third Ages but the skill is something that makes people silently hope one day they can see him take on Gil Galad.

Elrond first notices his inclination for a spear. He sees the movements and strategies his younger son prefers and when Glorfindel comes to him one day saying Elrohir’s good with a sword, but it doesn’t seem to fit right, Elrond immediately hands him a spear.

“Try this.”

Because Ereinion told him of his own long journey to spear wielding, taught Elrond how to recognise soldiers who have a proclivity towards it. But more than that the King and his Herald often sparred and it’s hard to forget the style of someone as skilled as Gil Galad.

Elrohir of course takes to it like a duck to water and soon enough it’s his primary weapon. He still primarily sticks to a sword to better compliment the Dúnedain he so often fights beside, but when it’s just him and his brother or if there’s a serious battle, Elrohir’s spear has orcs fleeing, reminded of another spear an Age ago that was instrumental in their Master’s defeat.

YES.

Elrohir with the shards of Aeglos and Aragorn with the reforged Narsil. Two ancient weapons once more fighting side by side at the Black Gate. Two weapons Sauron is horrified to recognise and *screams* in fury upon seeing.

No wonder all his attention was on the battlefield.

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I have this hc that Sauron’s obsession with vanity led him to spend years studying Maedhros’ features and trying to emulate them. When he couldn’t get it right, the proportions always a little off, red hair never deep enough, he took his anger out on Mae and when that option was gone, tried to pull from others also renown for their beauty instead.

Fast forward a few centuries and turns out all that work wasn’t entirely useless. And Sauron knows exactly what to do with the features he was able to recreate. Weaving them into his new face, the line of Maitimo’s smile, the set of his eyebrows, the crease of his eyes, he puts just enough to be familiar, but not enough to set off any alarms.

Celebrimbor doesn’t know *why* he trusts Annatar so easily, just that he’s got a good feeling about him. The Maia reminds him of someone he can’t quite put a finger on, but it’s a good association and he doesn’t think on it too deeply. Grows to call him a brother in all but blood.

Of course we all know how that ends. And the last thing Celebrimbor sees is his eldest Uncle’s smile, a mockery of the warmth it should hold as Sauron finally ends his torture.

(Elrond, on the other hand, never saw Maitimo who used to laugh easily and play silly games with children. Only grim Maedhros. The gentle features Sauron steals are alien to him. A stranger with too many familiar features he can’t quite place, twisted the wrong way, leaving him deeply unsettled. It’s why he immediately tells Gil Galad to send Annatar away, hiding trembling hands in his sleeves.)

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