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Anonymous asked:

Hello! I've stumbled upon the post of yours about Crowley and Aziraphale being ace, thank you so much for voicing so perfectly what I never could but always felt. The scene at the ball though is wrong - Crowley says "you don't dance" instead of "we don't dance", Neil said that was one of the subtitle mistakes that happened during the strike and I was wondering, does it make any difference for the interpretation? Like, implying Aziraphale has no experience but Crowley does since you pointed out dancing is a euphemism for sex? Or is it a nod to the book that says demons dance (badly) and angels don't? (I felt like in the book and in the series that explanation had no double meaning but was simply about dancing, unlike the ball scene in season 2)?

Thanks for reading my aromantic Ineffable meta and popping in with a very thoughtful and interesting question on Crowley's statement here:

For context, in my original interpretation (with the mis-subtitled “We don’t dance”), I took Crowley’s statement to imply that he believed both of them understood their relationship to be of a certain kind and was questioning Aziraphale’s attempt to change it (by making it more public and physical by dancing).

I do think the core of this idea still holds even knowing that Crowley actually said “You don’t dance.” Crowley’s delivery of that line is deeply serious, and is weighed by much more than just a cheeky nod to the books.

Which (if we look at the book) is interesting, because the “angels don't dance” segment is directly connected to the discreet gentlemen’s club (aka Azi’s gay dance club era doing the “kissing dance”), contrasting Aziraphale’s willingness to “dance” in comparison to other angels. So, I actually would like to speculate that there’s a double entendre to the book’s passage as well (because if it’s one thing that feels particularly Terry Pratchett, it’s making innuendo out of some hollow theological question):

Over the years a huge number of theological man-hours have been spent debating the famous question: How Many Angels Can Dance on the Head of a Pin? In order to arrive at an answer, the following facts must be taken into consideration: Firstly, angels simply don’t dance. It’s one of the distinguishing characteristics that marks an angel. They may listen appreciatively to the Music of the Spheres, but they don’t feel the urge to get down and boogie to it. So, none. At least, nearly none. Aziraphale had learned to gavotte in a discreet gentlemen’s club in Portland Place, in the late 1880s, and while he had initially taken to it like a duck to merchant banking, after a while he had become quite good at it, and was quite put out when, some decades later, the gavotte went out of style for good. So providing the dance was a gavotte, and providing that he had a suitable partner (also able, for the sake of argument, both to gavotte, and to dance it on the head of a pin), the answer is a straightforward one. (x)

Of course, Aziraphale is only willing to “dance” (or, if we take that as its euphemism, “have sex”) under very specific circumstances, with a very particular partner, and that it didn’t come naturally but was learned (and eventually very much enjoyed). Which I think tracks with Neil saying they can be read as asexual.

I think Crowley, knowing the implications of dancing, is commenting on what he believes about Aziraphale, that angels “don’t do that.” It’s probably been battered into him by Hell that demons do in fact dance (“Not what you would call good dancing though” (x) But angels do not. His apparent shock is him shifting his viewpoint on what Aziraphale is capable of and what Aziraphale wants from him.

I think if it’s one thing this season showed us is that Aziraphale definitely feels more experienced than Crowley, and more willing to take their relationship in a physical direction. But both of them are absolutely clueless about romance, relationship labels, and how to fit their transcendent love into tiny human boxes.

So, I guess to sum up, I don’t think the correction in what Crowley said changes my overall interpretation of my analysis (their essentially aromantic selves). Instead of a comment on what Crowley believes about them together, it now becomes more personal––more about what Crowley himself realizes about Aziraphale’s desires. That Aziraphale wants to be more public, more physical, more romantically-coded than he previously imagined Aziraphale was willing (or wanting) to be.

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Anonymous asked:

Hi idk if you’ve made a post about this, but i’d love to hear your thoughts on our ineffable husbands and asexuality. we know angels are essentially genderless and have no sexuality. Azi and Crowley have spent so long on earth that they’re introduced to this concept of romance and gender. I’ve always wondered what they think about it?

this ask was inspired by ur last post of the gif set when nina was asking if Azi was Crowley’s partner . And crowley and the gals conversation before THAT scene. that whole storyline. sorry if this makes no sense id just love to hear your thoughts!

Thank you so much for asking this question!! It inspired me to make a whole post about it: Defining Ineffable Love (or, Aziracrow Learn the Rules of Romance)

As an asexual myself and someone who was very isolated growing up, I really felt Aziraphale and Crowley's sense of being separated from humanity and having a relationship that didn't seem to fit "human" models. What I saw on screen this season felt a lot like how I've been feeling in trying to figure out how my own feelings are seen and interpreted in the world.

I hope you enjoy my post!!

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Defining Ineffable Love (or, Aziracrow Learn the Rules of Romance)

(In response to this ask about ineffables and asexuality)

One of the major threads this season was Aziraphale and Crowley asking themselves what exactly is their relationship. Not what it is in terms of how much they love each other. (That's a given.) But what it is in terms of the human implications of their love.

Crowley and Aziraphale definitely come at the relationship with different perspectives, in terms of what they’re willing to admit to the relationship being. I don’t think we can entirely interpret it in human terms. –David Tennant (source)

For 6000 years, they’ve never put a name on their relationship. They didn’t, because they’re inhuman, genderless, sexless beings and they didn’t grow up (as it were) with labels. And even when they did learn them, they couldn’t say it was love, because admitting that was a death sentence.

All of Aziraphale’s heart eyes and pining could live comfortably in his mind if he never admitted what that said about him as an angel (trauma compartmentalization). Crowley tries desperately to be cruel and nasty to add white noise around the blatant reality of his constant loyalty to Aziraphale. If you don’t put a word to it, it’s not real and they can’t punish you.

After the Not-pocalypse, for all rights and purposes, Aziraphale and Crowley chose humanity as their identity. We see Aziraphale “playing house” in various human roles (as a landlord, a private eye, a magician).

We even see Crowley intentionally taking on human behavior to handle emotional issues: “Just breathe, that’s what humans do.” They’re slowly and intentionally enculturating themselves into the world they want to belong––earth.

Yet it’s setting up Maggie and Nina that makes Aziraphale and Crowley start thinking about their relationship as a human construct.

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The differences under the ace umbrella

I’ve reblogged this like 12 times but it will always be relevant

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hamburgergod

This analogy is good, and even easier to understand once you think of this “urge” as being hungry. 

Asexuals are never hungry. Demisexuals aren’t usually hungry, except sometimes they walk by a donut shop they’ve become familiar with over time and there’s a chance that they find themselves hungry. Grey-asexuals sometimes get hungry, sometimes not.  

Some aren’t sure whether they fall under the ace umbrella or where on the spectrum they’re on, because they think they might’ve felt hunger before but they’re not really sure if it was really hunger or if their stomach was just upset or what, so they’re still figuring things out.

None of them choose to not be hungry. 

Sex-repulsed aces don’t like/hate donuts for different and valid reasons. 

Sex-indifferent aces don’t mind donuts. Some will maybe eat some, but most times they probably wouldn’t go out of their way to go look for donuts to eat.

Sex-positive aces like donuts. They’re not hungry when they eat donuts and they’re not eating donuts to stop being hungry, but they like eating donuts, so they do.

I really like how OP mentions that celibacy is the same as going on a diet, because that really shows how different asexuality is compared to celibacy. Generally speaking, celibate people will still go hungry but they choose to not eat. With asexuals, we don’t get hungry, period.

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blazinaces

I think of sexual attraction more as appetite, and sex drive being like hunger. So for aces with a sex drive it’s like you might be hungry but nothing ever looks good.

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aceofcourse

@anon this is probably the best explanation I’ve found.

I’ve always liked this analogy, but the hunger/appetite distinction makes it even better.

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