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barely in time but here we are: This GobblepotHalloween2021 post found me at a time, where I´ve (re)discovered Repo! .. or rather parts of it … so the GRAVES one jumped right at me while scrolling the dashboard and I guess also kind of spoke to me … so here is Jim and Oswald watching Repo! .. or rather “””watching””” …. they don´t see all that much of it that night ...
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I’ve shipped ships that are popular in a fandom, and some that maybe aren’t as popular, but frankly, the ship that’s most wasted on its fandom (and the one that it annoys me the most about) has to be Gobblepot. I mean, I don’t know what the Gotham fandom is collectively smoking, but it’s shit and I want no part of it. Like, I’m sorry, y’all pick you know what over Gobblepot? Really? You’re gonna do that? Fine, whatever, your legit loss. But you’re missing out on a wealth of complexity and tension and significant touches and protecting each other and respect and betrayal and storming into each other’s workplaces and questions about morality v practicality and adoration and obsession and knowing each other and killing someone together and teamwork and threats and that thing where Jim always stares at Oswald’s mouth.
Gobblepot is delicious fucking food and I have no idea why the fandom continues to turn its nose up at it.
Ya know. I pretty much exclusively care only about Valeyne, Wayleska, and all things Batjokes but like. This right here is nothing but truth. The tension between Jim and Oswald was one of the first things I noticed when I first started watching Gotham and that ship truly does have so much potential
Reblogging again cause SAME. Jim and Oswald's tension is what made me stay to watch the show and eventually meet my favorite ships concerning wayleska, valeyne, and batjokes. But it was all because of them and wanting to see where it would go.
I find it fascinating (tbh rather terrifying) how quickly things are kind of forgotten and how fast they shift,
like Gobblepot was no where near underrate it was THE ship, then Nygmobblepot came along and I expected both to keep sailing with plenty of wind in their sails but somehow SS Gobblepot didn´t sink but shrink ... and it´s baffling because there is really so much between Jim and Oswald, plotwise, character wise .. and just when they are standing next to each other, the electricity could power a small town for a month
and sometimes I miss old gobbelpot days, like the excitement over that BenBin Interview but I´m really glad there´s still plenty of wonderful and talented people around that keep the ship sailing =)
(And I say that as multishipper that adores both ships and plenty others, but my heart kinda is beating just a bit faster for Jim & Os <3)
Gotham would have been so much better if they had just let Oswald be a "femme fatale" type character and had all the men he interacts with fall in love with him.
"Oswald Cobblepot took a long drag of his cigarette. It pressed against his lips delicately, though the glowing embers shone as an ever-present reminder that this man was not all he seemed.
Detective Gordon swallowed thickly. He couldn't seem to catch his breath. Something about the way Oswald entered a room was so enticing, though in his heart of hearts Jim knew it was all part of the gangster's game."
I am endlessly fascinated by Jim and Oswald’s body language around each other, and how… telling it is. Just in episode 4x02 alone, it is so charged.
Putting aside the constant dragging each other close and equally constant once overs they give each other (seriously, you don’t look someone up and down like that unless you are really, really DTF), the subtle domination that Oswald uses, the way he sidles in close and immediately looses that characteristic stoop so they can stand almost nose to nose. Using the handshake to easily manhandle Jim.
Jim being so much more aggressive in front of witnesses, aware he needs to send a message with how he treats Oswald, so different from how they behave around each other when they’re alone and one-on-one.
The way that Oswald looks irritated when Harvey interjects, that old wound of being made to look weak or foolish in front of Jim, of being humiliated by Harvey, as he darts his gaze constantly back at Jim, annoyed at being made to look bad not in front of the press, but in front of Jim.
All that beautiful complicated history is so seeped into every interaction they have with each other, it is glorious.
I so agree. There’s so much conveyed just through how they are physically with one another. The one thing that strikes me is that whether they’re on good terms or bad, alone or in company, they’re always close. There’s a intimacy to all their interactions, and it’s an oddly comfortable intimacy (sexual tension aside).
Hello! I wanted to thank you for all you insightful observations about Gotham characters! And i have lame but burning question, i will understand very well if you choose not to answer it. I never understood what Oswald really wanted from Jim in s1. Oswald is clever, how he could think that “last good man in Gotham” would become his real friend? If he wanted to corrupt Jim, to have a GCPD insider with good facade, then he wasn’t trying hard ebough. Very sorry for my english, all the best regards
Hey anon :) That’s not a lame question at all – and,incidentally, your English is about 100x better than my proficiency in anyother language.
I think there’s two main issues at play here, and they sortof bleed into each other.
One is Oswald’s understanding of how life works. He’s grownup in Gotham, and not on the right side of the tracks either. His experiences have given him a certainunderstanding of how the city works. Crime is a given. Corruption is a given. For Oswald, they are asnecessary to the running of the city as any other part of government. This isjust how things work. Crime and law aresymbiotic. They have to be in balance in order to the city to functionsmoothly.
If he holds this belief, then to Oswald it is not illogical orunrealistic that a police officer would have a working relationship with agangster. This is just how the worldworks. He doesn’t really think about forginga connection with Jim in terms of ‘corrupting’ him. In fact, his language reveals how he thinksabout it: specifically telling Falcone that he’ll get Jim ‘to see the light’.
We still need to think about it a bit more, though because –as you say – Jim is not the standard GCPD detective. He’s ‘the last good man in Gotham’.
And it’s Jim’s good qualities that initially capture Oswald’sattention. Jim Gordon caring enough to tell him to stop beating the man whostole from Fish. Jim Gordon’s face onthe front page on the newspaper, lauded for his determination in hunting theWaynes’ killer. Jim Gordon refusing tokill him on Falcone’s say-so. Jim Gordonpassing up the chance to kill him again in the alley outside Barbara’sapartment.
Oswald does not seem accustomedto the notion of someone who is sincerely idealistic. He’s definitely not accustomed to someone whodoesn’t actively wish him harm, or taunt him, or who is generally hostiletowards him. In-universe, Oswald isportrayed as freakish in looks and manner. He’s poor. There’s the baggage of‘foreign-ness’ round him – the show has very intentionally kept its jangly eastEuropean music for him. If he’stolerated by anyone – it’s because he’s providing a service, and he’ll bereminded frequently and humiliatingly of his station. From what we can glean – Gertrud was the solesource of anything positive, which is why Oswald has placed so much stock inthe notion of honouring her faith in him.
So Jim’s decency – season one ismarked by just about everyone in town telling him he’s a idealistic boy scoutwho doesn’t fit into the city – is something new to Oswald. He genuinely admires it. Jim is something new – something special. ToOswald, a gangster in the making, this still doesn’t rule out a relationship – either business or personal. Ifanything, it reinforces his thinkingon the symbiotic relationship between crime and the law. Oswald is more than willing to get his handsdirty to ensure that Jim’s remain clean.
And this is where the two bigissues at play start to bleed into each other. Oswald’s belief that crime ispart of the working of the city, and that the underworld and the police force have to work together means that he seesno problem with a gangster and a cop maintaining a relationship. We’ve seenthat he sees Fish as a role model. She has Harvey. Oswald, then, needs apoliceman of his own.
And this policeman, oh thispoliceman. He’s handsome and heroic and absurdlyidealistic, and Oswald is so hopelessly smitten with him. He’s willing to use up a crucial favour withFalcone to keep him alive. He’sbreathless and starry-eyed – standing when Jim enters the room, tongue-tiedwhen he’s so articulate everywhere else.
Look at this image from the scene when Oswald and Jim are inthe alley outside Barbara’s apartment. Jim is caught up in the moment, angry, scared – yelling at Oswald.Oswald’s face is so calm and serious in contrast, seemingly content just to look at him.
He is, in short, in love. Jim is his person – his policeman, his contact, his friend. His. As well as his practical need for someone onthe inside at GCPD, he very badly wants more from Jim – and his need for thatwill inform several of his actions in season one. There are points where a more pragmatic Oswald might easily have decided that Jim was maybe too unpredictable, and that there were safer bets in GCPD. But he’s not pragmatic where Jim is concerned. He allows his heart to rule his head, and he’ll consistently continue to do so in subsequent seasons.
That’s my take on it, anyway, Anon :) I hope I’ve not boredyou to tears! I’ll happily witter onabout Jim and Oswald until the cows come home.
I have a bit more sinister interpretation of what Oswald wants from Jim in season one.
In season one Crispin and Montoya lay out Oswald’s plan fairly early on. “You wanna push Fish out, huh?”
Of course we see Oswald’s plans extend much further than that. He wants to be King of Gotham and to do that effectively he has to dispose everyone above him, Fish, Frankie, Salvador and Falcone.
At this point obviously Oswald has no one backing him and so he basically needs to wait for any opportunity to arise that allows him to convince others to do the job for him. I’m sure he had a whole string of clever plans ready but no means to accomplish them.
The Waynes are killed and Carmine has Fish plant pearls on Mario Pepper.
Now finally Oswald has something he can use. He contacts the GCPD and sets them on Fish. His plan here is use the GCPD to take down Fish, only it backfires majorly, because Fish figures out Oswald snitched.
This is where the second, and what could have been Oswald’s final, opportunity arises. He convinces Don Falcone to have Jim execute him and he tells Don Falcone he thinks he can convince Jim not to do it.
This is major for Oswald. One his life will be spared. Two he will now have an in with the top dog, Don Falcone. Remember Oswald has no backers, he’s weak, manipulation is his main play here.
Jim doesn’t kill Oswald. He tells Oswald to never return to Gotham, but of course Oswald does and that puts Jim in a very bad position. Remember Harvey, Jim’s only real ally in S1 was going to kill Jim if he didn’t kill Oswald.
So in turning back up Oswald now has a certain power over Jim and this is the first person Oswald really has any control over. The good news is goal wise both Jim and Oswald want a lot of the same things at this point.
Jim wants to root out the corruption he sees in Gotham. To do this he’s going to have to tear down the King and Falcone crime families. Which is exactly what Oswald wants him to do! So, Oswald is more than happy to have Jim see him as weak, non-threatening and helpful.
As Oswald tells his mother:
“I think I finally found somebody I can trust. - A policeman.”
“Police? - The police are liars.”
“Mm-mm. Not this one, Mom. He’s a real friend. He’ll help me come out right in the end.”
He can trust Jim, because at this point in time, as I explained above, if Oswald gets in trouble everyone will know Jim failed to execute him and certain people might come execute Jim.
The real important line here is “He’ll help me come out right in the end.”
Remember Oswald’s end goal is to be King of Gotham’s underworld. He’s backing Jim so Jim will be able to do what Jim wants, remove Carmine Falcons corruption from the GCPD and leave a vacancy at the top for Oswald.
So, that’s my interpretation for what Oswald initially really wanted from Jim. That being said Oswald’s self proclaimed biggest weakness is that he becomes emotionally attached to others. He likes Jim, he certainly admires him from the get go, but I do feel his original intent was just to use him.
Those posts are both fascinating, and I think reading trust as being able to rely on the good in a person as well as reading it as being able to trust their course of action aka them being predictable and a possible chess piece goes hand in hand, maybe I´d favour the “personal admiration” as fist spark? The initial goal was to stay alive first and foremost, Os is not manipulating Jim there he´s trusting him, relying on him, the attached manipulation is aimed at Falcone, I´m having some trouble wrapping my head around how much leverage Os actually had putting Jim in this perilous situation. Not being present and Jim´s in for murder, being present and Jim might get murdered, both is of no use for Os and getting Jim in a course of action in between that is just reliant on very specific situations,
this is amazing =) I´m really intrigued about their hands, Jim´s fingers spreading out while Os´ is in this tight fist ... is he going to relax more into the kiss .. is it due to the tension of the intimate moment .. there´s so much to look at ^^
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