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Chapters: 13/? Fandom: Gotham (TV) Rating: Explicit Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Rape/Non-Con, Major Character Death Relationships: Jim Gordon/Victor Zsasz, Oswald Cobblepot/Victor Zsasz Characters: Victor Zsasz, Oswald Cobblepot, Jim Gordon, Harvey Bullock, Gertrud Kapelput, Frank Gordon (Gotham), Barbara Kean Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Historical, Alternate Universe - Fantasy, Vikings, Old Norse, Languages and Linguistics, Old Norse Culture and Customs, Other Additional Tags to Be Added, Ancient Scandinavia - Freeform, Implied/Referenced Homophobia, Period-Typical Homophobia, Not Beta Read, Secret Relationship, Explicit Sexual Content, Hand Jobs, Blow Jobs, Anal Fingering, Pining, Assault, Sexual Assault, Sexual Violence, Stabbing, Panic, Rape, Rape Recovery, Shame, Visions, Prophecy, Secrets, Reveal, Suicide Attempt, Intervention, Jealousy, Slow Burn, Angst, Accidental Voyeurism, Additional Characters to be added, Exhibitionism, Rimming, Intercrural Sex, Revenge

Story Summary: A group of Northmen from a small village embark upon different paths to fulfill their destinies.

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Chapter Summary: Earl Frár hosts Elof and his entourage during his village’s summer solstice festivities.

Though Jarl feels more hopeful about his future after meeting his betrothed, he is haunted by a ghost from his past.

Chapter 14 is magical  https://archiveofourown.org/works/29888754/chapters/104987916 

my most controversial gotham oswald take is that he does not listen to modern emo music. like he’s a man in his 30s/40s with a goth mom he owns every cure record on vinyl and doesn’t know what a black parade is i’m sorry

even in like a modern day college au i would still say oswald only listens to goth music from the 80s. they hated jesus because he told them the truth

according to Robin Lord Taylor Oswald Cobblepot´s favourite band would be The Clash (x)  I think Joy Division would be a great fit too?  Punk!Penguin was a bit of a thing (x) Punk Rock also made an appearance in @atcnm ´s post (x) about diversity in music acts at Oswald´s and  formerly Fish Mooney's Nightclub I´m vaguely headcanoning him with a broader taste in music, also he seemed to be rather involved in his choir in season 5, and he knows what a countertenor is. (x s5ep03)  ... like apart from him singing & playing the piano (somewhat) ( 1x16 “ Heart and Soul” , 2x11 “Penguin's Lullaby” , not counting the 3x15 Hallucination and 5x09) also this might be a good place to mention @nyxneon ´s playlists! Especially the fantastic 80s Gotham one (x)    but also one for Os and Ed with plenty 80s as well(x)

Barbara Kean, Gotham

(Artwork of Barbara in image 4 uploaded to Pinterest by someone named Bee - if I’ve got this credit wrong, let me know)

oh that´s perfect  (and right up pushes my “it´s such a shame we never heard more about Barbara Kean´s art gallery” button) 

ok i’m allowed to poke fun cause i’m a short guy, anyways jim gordon is shorter than most men in gotham which does make me giggle juuuuust a little when they like, do a scene where he’s supposed to be intimidating some rando bad guy of the week but if they pan out for just A SECOND you’ll immediately notice the height diff. like this isn’t even me being like haha men aren’t supposed to be short but it’s rather funny for like the archetype that jim is. like, the only other male character he’s taller than is oswald and oswald’s shorter than like, everybody

someone reblogged this again, and looking at it again reminded me that this scene is gay as shit . why is jim doing that. “intimidation” aight then….

(totally staning jim just because of shit like that) 

Gobblepot Summer 2022 Event Recap

It’s time to wrap up our summer event and get ready for the upcoming autumn~ This summer left us lovely gifts, make sure to enjoy them!

1. Of marshmallows and bad ideas by @birdwatching-goesbothways​

2. Summer moodboard by @theblackarticfox​

3. Mango Daiquiri by @lalaurelia​

4. This could be paradise by @whatwould-misha-do​

Thank you, and see you at the next one!

summer is fading, I already miss it, but at least there are some gems to turn to here (... the unplanned perks of being late for everything)

an essay about the hypnotic powers of gotham.

i have literally never met a person who believed gotham to actually be quality tv. 

that is because it is not. its just not good. in the slightest. 

so why did so many of us sit through 100 episodes, each 40 minutes long?

well first, we need to look at a very important aspect of story. 

stakes. 

stakes are needed in some types of story, especially high stake tv shows like gotham,  to fuel the plot, to motivate the characters, to keep things going. stakes can be small, maybe a relationship, an object, an event. the trick is to slowly raise these stakes as the show progresses to keep it interesting.

in episode one of gotham, everyone is pointing guns at each other.

gotham very quickly ends up at a very high stake zone. with lives constantly at risk. season one only really has the stakes of life and death. 

however, not only are the stakes high, since theres an ensemble, most characters have their own plot lines going on. these plot lines also need to escalate in order to keep it interesting.

however, the rate that they escalate is so wacky you cannot look away. you have to keep putting on the next episode to see what the fuck is happening. why does everyone have beef with a 12 year old. why does everyone keep coming back to life. WHY ARE THEY BUILDING A SUBMARINE TOGETHER?

you just need to know. you need to know how batshit it can get. you need to know how far they’ll go. you need to see how much bullshit happens.

by the time you realise youre watching a group of aristocrats be forced to eat human pies, youre already on season 4 and in too deep.

a point i’d like to make, cause i was actually thinking about this the other day

the stakes have to twist and contort into insane shit because the stakes can never be “oh this character might die”, not REALLY. well, it IS if you’re *not* a known dc batman character. because the shows a prequel. a side character could die, obviously, but bruce, selina, edward, jim, oswald, alfred etc etc. all the known characters need to make it to the end of the series so they can become the characters everyone knows, so they’re functionally safe from the threat of death for the most part.

so, how else do you raise stakes? you just make increasingly insane shit happen to the characters. sure, they’re not going to die, exactly, but they’ll be traumatized for sure

(examples that happen to the characters i listed above) watch a friend fall down a hole, have a friend who loses her memory and doesn’t remember you anymore, get kidnapped by some weird court and threatened into ceasing investigation into your own company’s crimes, have your father figure get stabbed, be an accomplice in a murder, lose your mother, lose your sanity, lose your father, betray the love of your life and get psychologically tortured before being shot and pushed into a river but live because nobody dies, be frozen in a block of ice but live cause nobody dies, lose your girlfriend, lose a second girlfriend, stab your third and get stabbed back but live because nobody dies, be forced to eat human meat, be betrayed for the millionth time, die and then come back again cause nobody dies for real etc etc etc etc etc.

bar death, almost anything could happen to these characters so they kinda had to make themselves of insane shit they could do without directly killing any major characters. if a character “dies” but they’re a major player in the batman cast of characters then it’s kind of a given that they’re going to come back. oswald can’t stay dead, he needs to be the penguin, ed can’t stay frozen, he needs to be the riddler, etc

so basically it’s all abt stakes that aren’t death which is why things get so crazy . at least that’s what i think

stakes but trapped within their very own little containment field of the characters having to survive creating a little batshit bonkers petri dish of absurdity and escalation is a fantastic point!   I´d like to add another perspective here because I´ve had a very different experience, for me it´s not these stakes that got the hypno powers ... I´d gladly watch a whole season of them just drinking tea :D (and tea without guns .. I know they did tea party with guns that´s not what I mean here :D)  I can´t say I´ve a full working theory for where the hypnosis happens for me but I do know that two things are crucial there: the visuals and the acting!  In these two regards gotham imho actually IS quality TV   The plot ... well often got out of hand, some of the characterizations are just increasingly frustrating to me (and from what I understand part of it is because they sometimes didn´t really know how much episodes they get (? citation needed) and that sure must make plot planning difficult)   but there is  ... I want to say not one single frame that is not interesting to look at... the cinematography, the costumes, the set design .. everything of that is just stellar!  and so are the actors .. there´s like a couple of lines where, would I see them written I´d say there´s no way to say that out loud without sounding dumb and ridiculous .. but they make it work ... magic ..... 

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Chapters: 13/? Fandom: Gotham (TV) Rating: Explicit Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Rape/Non-Con, Major Character Death Relationships: Jim Gordon/Victor Zsasz, Oswald Cobblepot/Victor Zsasz Characters: Victor Zsasz, Oswald Cobblepot, Jim Gordon, Harvey Bullock, Gertrud Kapelput, Frank Gordon (Gotham), Barbara Kean Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Historical, Alternate Universe - Fantasy, Vikings, Old Norse, Languages and Linguistics, Old Norse Culture and Customs, Other Additional Tags to Be Added, Ancient Scandinavia - Freeform, Implied/Referenced Homophobia, Period-Typical Homophobia, Not Beta Read, Secret Relationship, Explicit Sexual Content, Hand Jobs, Blow Jobs, Anal Fingering, Pining, Assault, Sexual Assault, Sexual Violence, Stabbing, Panic, Rape, Rape Recovery, Shame, Visions, Prophecy, Secrets, Reveal, Suicide Attempt, Intervention, Jealousy, Slow Burn, Angst, Accidental Voyeurism, Additional Characters to be added, Exhibitionism, Rimming, Intercrural Sex, Revenge

Story Summary: A group of Northmen from a small village embark upon different paths to fulfill their destinies.

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Chapter Summary: Earl Frár hosts Elof and his entourage during his village’s summer solstice festivities.

Though Jarl feels more hopeful about his future after meeting his betrothed, he is haunted by a ghost from his past.

always such a pleasure to visit that viking village again!

we as a fandom have not decided yet whether or not we believe oswald is pro cannibalism or anti.

in the span of two seasons, he went from killing and cooking his step siblings, to nearly vomiting while trying pygs mystery people pie.

so like?? was he just pretending??? like, acting disgusted so people wouldnt wonder why their ex mayor is so casual about eating human flesh.

or did he... change his mind about the whole eating people thing.

I don’t think Oswald is pro cannibalism more as I think he’s pro “doing whatever it takes to benefit me specifically”

Like he definitely isn’t just casually eating people in his free time - but he is petty and spiteful and is clearly not above feeding people to other people if they’ve personally wronged him

Plus Pyg made it clear that his pies were made of homeless people and we know Oswalds kind of a snob (I mean just look at him in season 5) so he may have just been disgusted at the concept of eating meat that may be “unclean” either metaphorically or literally

So I don’t really think he’s pro cannibalism, I think he’s just pro petty violent spiteful revenge no matter what cost lol

I don´t think there´s much to decide? Oswald is pro getting revenge on people that have harmed him and willing to go for drastic methods to reach that, but he´s not pro getting forced by someone else to do something and be a cog in their schemes 

As for the the disgust there´s plenty possibilities outside of moral rejection of cannibalism .. * pretending as mentioned, this was certainly the kind of setting he might want to keep some reputation intact in and not show his full crime committing self, murder is well enough for one dinner ...  * I don´t want to believe that it´s a matter of  “cleanliness” or people choice (Trish), he´s not been afraid to get dirty in the past, [hell earlier season kind of put him in the realm of nasty, with what they threw him in, and I lowkey miss his more intense earlier makeup yellowed teeth and all]  also it´s (probably) not like he really ate and enjoyed eating the “wealthy” person meat he cooked, at least they didn´t show that (The little taste in front of Grace barely counts, and I´m starting to sincerely believe his claim he tasted both siblings as in actually eating them the moment I see it :D)  * he was showcasing not so much his disgust about the food but his disgust about Pyg and the role he´s forced to play in his show aka. “you might be able to make me eat it but you sure can´t make me enjoy it, nor can you make me eat it with proper table manners” spite * my personal pet headcannon ;D ... the pies just simply tasted bad, regardless of their meat source, not everyone can be a good cook like Os  * his fear for Martin´s life might have affected his stomach and no food would have become him in that moment

Tldr: I agree on not pro or anti cannibalism, it´s certainly a pro opportunism and pragmatism  [Edit: Yellow tint in teeth ofc isn´t (necessarily) a sign of lack of hygiene, I didn´t realize this sounds like I was implying that being part of the nasty/unclean] 

love reading oswald x edward fanfiction and seeing oswald being described as the anti y/n. yes, yes, yes that is why we love him.

fuck 'porcelain skin' describe how clammy and sickly pale he looks.

'the subtle scent of cedarwood' he probably crawled out of another lake after cheating death again.

'his hair was soft' no. it crunched loudly under edwards hand. or covered it in a layer of gel and stabbed him. we as a fandom havent decided whether he uses hairspray or gel yet.

'his perfect smile' his teeth are probably sharpened from biting people and that is why we LOVE HIM!

preach ...  also aside from behind the scenes footage showing hairspray my watsonian in universe bet is on old fashioned pomade, at least for his early look   (it might just be every kind of hair product known and unknown to mankind at the same time tho ... :D some unholy concoction )

This is all fantastic and really hits home for me, @the-house-of-abrasax.

A massive yes to the bizarre plot twists.  Why did Falcone just meekly call the hit off?  That made no sense at all.  And this too:

I think that while Mario might have been intended as the disposable rebound guy – there was actually so much scope for him to be really interesting, for the reasons you give above. In fact, a man who has gone into a profession that’s all about helping people, who has a conflicted relationship with his family, who’s consciously chosen not to follow in his father’s footsteps, who might fear his own propensity for violence… gee – you’d almost think that he’d have been an interesting guy for Jim to develop a friendship with?  But no – sacrificed for the dullest love triangle ever.

This is fascinating.  I feel like they just swept a bunch of stuff under the carpet to push on to the next part of the season.  Jim was in a dark place psychologically, and drinking incredibly heavily.  He just put all that to one side and also stopped drinking because he went back to work?  Not buying that.  He was having whiskey for breakfast.  

This would have been so much better, and so much more meaningful – because it would actually have been rooted in characterisation.   In retrospect, it’s completely baffling that more wasn’t done with this.  We were essentially told that our protagonist is riddled with guilt, that he’s depressed and drinking heavily, that he beats himself up for not living up to his idealised (and false) image of his dead father – and that he is suicidal.   That’s massive.  But it was just sort of glossed over, and outright forgotten when it came to the Tetch virus – when we were served up ooc-ness instead.  Such a waste.

ETA - Alfred’s love of quiche is the worst of all.  

@sunlitroom​ Well said!

I think that while Mario might have been intended as the disposable rebound guy – there was actually so much scope for him to be really interesting, for the reasons you give above. In fact, a man who has gone into a profession that’s all about helping people, who has a conflicted relationship with his family, who’s consciously chosen not to follow in his father’s footsteps, who might fear his own propensity for violence… gee – you’d almost think that he’d have been an interesting guy for Jim to develop a friendship with?  I love this idea!

You are so right. Jim and Mario could have had an interesting friendship and thinking back on it, the interactions they did have were fairly engaging. If the writers really wanted to use the jealousy angle they could have gone about it in a completely different and far more compelling way. Remember, after Mario’s death when Falcone orders the hit on Jim and says the following to Lee: “I cared for Jim Gordon. In some ways he was more like my son than Mario. His life is mine to take.” Okayyyy. For the moment lets set aside the incredibly bad taste shown in saying this the day after his child’s funeral, to Mario’s widow no-less, and the hypocrisy in the statement which actually gives Lee far more entitlement to Jim’s life than Carmine.

There are some genuinely interesting potential dynamics here: Does Falcone think that being the loaded gun, if not the trigger finger, that killed Peter Gordon gives him the right to step into Peter’s shoes as Jim’s father? As I’ve said, there is something very nasty about smarming up to Jim as a father figure while simultaneously being the instrument for Peter’s death. Anyway, Falcone’s words imply that Carmine was disappointed with Mario in a manner that he wasn’t disappointed with Jim. Why? Imagine if this was something that had been discussed before Mario died. It would have avoided using Lee as a plot device and the boring love-triangle troupe! We could have had the build up of a friendship that was genuine then have the virus act as a catalyst to the faultlines that Falcone had bred between his two “sons”. When Mario finally gave into the virus he could have gone after Jim rather than Lee with the outcome still being the same.It would have added much more weight (to what was already a good plot point) when it was revealed that Carmine had Peter killed.

Of course, I’m biased. There’s nothing like family dynamics escalated to the levels of Greek Tragedy to guarantee my interest, far more than any lukewarm romance. Who cares about Antigone/Haemon Jim/Lee when we can watch Antigone Jim and Uncle Creon Carmine tear each other to shreds over prolapsed family loyalties?

(As a side note, I want to know more about the relationship between Falcone and Gordon Sr. It mirrors the relationship between Hugo Strange and Thomas Wayne in interesting ways.) This would have been so much better, and so much more meaningful – because it would actually have been rooted in characterisation.   In retrospect, it’s completely baffling that more wasn’t done with this.  We were essentially told that our protagonist is riddled with guilt, that he’s depressed and drinking heavily, that he beats himself up for not living up to his idealised (and false) image of his dead father – and that he is suicidal.   That’s massive.  I agree. Jim is a walking stereotype of masculine tropes, this could have been a chance to deconstruct those tropes and explore all the fissures that trying to keep up the illusion of strength was creating both emotionally and psychologically in his character. And it still could have made for an uplifting ending for the season… at least, I know I cheered a bit when Jim found the strength to turn away from Jervis’ compulsion early on in S3. They could have done something similar to this in the finale and it would have been dialed up to 11 because the anticipation would have been stewing all year. 

ETA - Alfred’s love of quiche is the worst of all.  

Never forgive. Never forget.

oh so much good points  “imply that Carmine was disappointed with Mario in a manner that he wasn’t disappointed with Jim. Why? “ I kinda got hung up on how much a shame it is, that the show never gave more answer to that.  I´m somewhat operating on the headcanon that it´s perhaps simply the “Calvi” thing, Mario not being part of the family business. Perhaps it was not just about heeding a wish but Mario himself rejecting mob life on moral principle?  [This could also have influenced Victor Zsasz´s opinion on him (“Also, nice shot on Mario, I never liked him” (3x12)) On the one side you´ve got a fiercely loyal henchman and on the other a biological son that rejects and casts away the Falcone name and what made that name “great”. Perhaps Zsasz could have even seen Mario as hypocritical, if Mario (in/directly) profited from his father´s wealth and connections while outwardly distancing himself and pursuing a civil career.] After all there´s only so much ties you can cut with related family, Mario obviously still sees Carmine as father, and in a life or death scenario he´s ready to utilize crime related resources but his choice of surname and profession might have been influenced by a rejection of crime. Perhaps Mario was seeing through the mob propaganda and perceiving them as the violent leeches on a community that they are;   meanwhile Jim, contrary to his initial ambition, was ready to accept Falcone as part of Gotham, perhaps not only because he lacked the means for fundamental change but because he started to believe that Falcone and the mob were (a necessary) part of the ecosystem? In some way Jim was more collaborating with what Carmine built than his own son? 

I got a feeling there´s more than one chara the would benefit from “ letting him be [...] outside of “[.....] to Gordon” arc.” ;D oh the hatt&crow ship ... I get that one in the way I get ships that e.g have characters from different media that even never interacted but as far as shipable moments between those two go on gotham I barely can recall anything and don´t see where that came from, I was surprised that this really got a thing :D 

for the “what´s up with people....” I mean I have read posts about purity wank in fandom that got some analysis on that, but in the end I really don´t get those ppl  ^^  

“I would never want to meet them” < not even with a thick safety glass barrier tho? Shark cave dive style .....  Barnes really was the only one “crime shouldn´t pay”ing Carmine ....  Full agreement on Mario!  (and uh I think I never saw that post .. gotta bookmark that for later)