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I’ve scoured the internet for tidbits of info, such as: Dick’s favourite ice cream flavour is mint chocolate chip, Stephanie likes waffles, and Jason is a messy eater. But now I’d like to hear from you! What are some random batkid facts that you know? Or, what random/embarrassing/interesting facts do YOU think should be canon? Like, should Tim be allergic to avocados? Does Duke have any secret hobbies? Should Stephanie randomly know how to juggle six beanie babies at once? Comment your thoughts!

I've actually been gathering small facts as I read through Batfamily comics! I'll share the full document someday once I get it organized better and have it finished, but here's some info I've gathered so far:

Barbara-

- Was in the hospital for 10 weeks and 3 days after the Joker’s attack (The Batman Chronicles #5) - Has a Master of Law Degree from Harvard, successfully took the bar exam and can legally practice law (Batman: Gotham Knights #25) - Had braces until at least Junior Year (Birds of Prey #84) - She had a crush on Killer Moth (Birds of Prey #84)

Cass-

- Favorite ice cream flavor is chocolate (Batgirl 2000 #13) - Morning drink of choice is tea. (Batgirl 2000 #58) - Takes very long showers (Robin #138) - Watches reality tv shows (Batgirl #65)

Dick-

- Bruce made Dick breath straight toxin so he could properly identify the symptoms of different forms of asphyxiation (Nightwing Annual 1) - Been best friends with Donna Troy since he was 13. She called him to talk after her first date (New Titans 1988 #89) - Learned to pick pocket as a child (Nightwing #74, but also Nightwing gets kinda racist around this era, so take it with a grain of salt.) - His first word was Rube (Nightwing #102)

Jason-

- Had an interest in working on the school play (Batman Annual #12) - When he was in school he had a 94% average (Batman Annual #12) - Interested in cars (According to Bruce, Detective Comics #790) - Favorite ice cream is Neapolitan (According to Bruce, Detective Comics #790) - Favorite color is green (According to Bruce, Detective Comics #790)

Stephanie-

- Was on the gymnastics team in high school (Showcase '95 #5) - Played Varsity Girls Softball since sophomore year (Huntress/Spoiler Blunt Trauma) - Is 15 when she finds out she’s pregnant (Robin #59) - Went into labor sometime around 4:00 am (Robin #65) - It’s 11 blocks from the nearest bus station to her/her mom's house. It’s the Blue Line (Robin #103). The house is about 40 minutes from downtown Gotham (Batman #643). - The name of the neighborhood she grew up in is Widowstone Creek (Robin #109) - Took piano lessons until she was about 12 (Robin #103) - Steph’s Spoiler suit is Eggplant. In her words “Purple would be stupid” (Robin #105) - Mashed Potatoes are her comfort food (Robin #111)

Tim-

- Favorite Pizza is Canadian Bacon, Onion, and Artichoke Hearts (Robin #116) - Anti pineapple on pizza. (Robin #62) - Tim’s parents did use to go to Europe without him during the summer, but it’s unclear if he was alone alone or not (Robin #100) - Jack Drake is an amateur archaeologist. It is not his job. (Robin 80 Page Giant) - Plays the in universe D&D (C&C) with Ives (Robin #116) - Lasagna is one of his favorite foods (Robin #124) - Hates needles (Robin #130) - His dad dragged him to the Gotham Arena every time the National Rodeo Tour was in town (Robin #133) - Also Tim got a special driver's license when he was 14 because his dad was using a wheelchair. (I don't have the issue on hand, sorry)

Unfortunately I have not read anything with Damian or Duke yet, so I don't have anything for them.

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My Bat Academy AU is fun because it's like:

Dick is Luther because he's the leader. Cass is Luther because she was the one caught in the explosion. Damian is Luther because he's the one to who was sent away on an "important mission".

Damian is Diego because he's the one who's still acting as a superhero. Jason is Diego because he's the maddest at Bruce. Dick is Diego because he's got connections to the police force.

Duke is Allison because he's the one not using his powers. Tim is Allison because he's the one who messed with Steph's memories. Cass is Allison because she's the one holding the gun at the end.

Jason is Klaus because he's the one who gets captured. Tim is Klaus because he's our connection to Jason. Cass is Klaus because she's the one struggling with her powers. Damian is Klaus because he's the one everyone brushes off.

Tim is Five because he's the one who went missing. Duke is Five because he's doing the eyeball plot line. Dick is Five because he's the one convinced the world is going to end. Damian is Five because he's the one with a connection to the commission.

Jason is Ben because he's the one who died. Dick is Ben because he's the one with a "Jennifer Incident". Tim is Ben because he was the least interested in being a superhero.

...and Stephanie is Viktor.

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Batfamily Chronological Reading List

Here it is, a massive list of Batfamily comics all sorted by issue release date so you can read them in the order they were originally intended to be read in, or easily reference back to what happened when. Do you want to know what Dick was up to during A Death in the Family? Need to know if Cass was around yet when Steph had her baby for your fan fic? Just a completion-ist with too much time on your hands like me? Then this is the list for you!

About six months ago I was trying to read my way through some old comics and getting insanely frustrated trying to figure out the order they went in. There are lots of reading lists online, but none of them gave me what I truly wanted: the order of individual issues rather than comic runs or collections. I also couldn't find any that featured all of the Batkids. So I took all of the reading lists I was using, found the On-Sale-Date for each of the issues mentioned, found a few other lists to fill in some gaps, and complied them into chronological order.

This list features what I consider to be the main 8 Batfamily members: Dick Grayson, Barbara Gordon, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, Cassandra Cain, Damian Wayne, and Duke Thomas. It is by no means every appearance of these characters, but it is hopefully all of the important ones and then some. By no means do I suggest reading all of these (unless you're slightly insane like me), it's more of a reference guide than a read list.

Some Disclaimers:

  1. This is still a work in progress. You'll notice that the first third of the list is much more detailed than the more recent entries. That's because I haven't read them yet. As of now I've only reached Batgirl 2000 #15, but will continue updating as I go through (I'm hoping to finish sometime within the next 12 months).
  2. This is not a Batman list. I have included some issues about Bruce that I feel are important to the overall story, but if I were to include all of his important issues it would make the list unusable. You should still be able to follow his character arcs through his role in the comics listed here.
  3. I needed to cut off somewhere, so anything released after December 31, 2023 was not included. I may go back and change this later, but not any time soon.
  4. I do not want to discredit any of the Batfamily members not included here (ie Kate, Helena, Jean Paul). They are all important to Bruce and Gotham in their own way, but again I needed to cut it off somewhere or I never would have found an end.

For any edits you wish to suggest, please do so through this form. Any suggestions given not through this form will not be considered, and as it says in the form, I also will not consider any that don't have an explanation.

Finally I need to say thank you and give credit to the people who's reading lists I used to create this:

Comic Book Herald - I used both their Complete Robin and Complete Batgirl Read Order Lists.

The Unoffical Guide to the DC Universe was also an incredible help with sorting out timelines, and all of my On-Sale-Date information comes from Grand Comics Database (GCD).

I hope you guys enjoy and find this useful! I'm happy to answer any questions, and if something isn't clear feel free to let me know!

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I'm making a Batfam reading order list, not of every appearance of every character, but of important appearances & comic runs, organized by issue release date. I'm trying to color code it so you can see at a glance which character each issue is for, but the problem is sometimes more than one character is important to the story. I tried creating a color to indicate multiple characters and then make a note of which characters it's for, but I don't love that and would like input on how other people would like it to look. Here's an example of what the chart looks like:

Here are the options I see:

  1. Always use the mutli character color when there are multiple important characters (not just a cameo)
  2. Color the box to reflect the most important character, but make a note of the other's appearance in it. (ex- Detective Comics #647 is Steph's intro so it's her color, despite also being an important issue for Tim)
  3. If it's a solo run always make it the color of the guest character, as we'll assume the lead is in it (ex- Issues of Robin that feature Steph will be her color because of course Tim is present), but use the multiple character color for group runs (Detective Comics, Batman, ect)

Also if anyone knows a way to make the box itself multiple colors (like stripes or something) please let me know! That would be my ideal way to handle the situation, but I have yet to find a way that works.

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Baffled by the lack of Dark Knights of Steel fan fic about the Robins. Like, the story is sitting there for the taking!

Dick and Jason's stories can be adapted without really having to change anything. Duke and Steph are a little harder, but a few nudges here and there and you've got your story. Cass isn't in Tales of the Three Kingdoms so we can assume she comes later, but again you just need a few touches to adjust.

But Tim and Damian? How in the world did they get wrapped up with the Robins? Is Damian still Bruce's son in this universe? Does he have latent Kryptonian powers? Is he illegitimate or did Talia and Bruce get married? Was he raised by his grandfather to believe he is the rightful heir to the kingdom, only to run away when it got to be to much?

And how does Tim fit in? Are his parents nobles in this universe, and if so are they dead or did he run away? Does he sneak out at night to help the Robins but slip back into a mansion before morning?

And there are so many little details too! Jason has his white streak, where did it come from? How long have Tim and Cass been stationed in the other kingdoms? Where is Damian at the start of Dark Knights of Steel? What about Barbara, how does she fit into all of this? Are the other Robins a little annoyed that Bruce showed up with Cass and said 'she's one of you now' despite them all being a tight nit group, or did they accept her? What are Kal and Zala's relationships with the Robins like?

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Thinking about my Batfamily Umbrella Academy Au again and just...

Dick who has the world's worst case of imposter syndrome, because is he really a fantastic acrobat, or is he just manipulating the gravity around himself? Without his powers would he even be able to walk along a balance beam? He'll never truly know.

Cass who can live in a moment for as long as she wants, who can take the time to analyze every single detail and judge her next move. Who can't do anything without analyzing, who freezes time on instinct before every action. She moves through time differently from everyone else, every day lasts five times longer.

Jason who can hit a bullseye from any distance, but knows it will never be enough to actually impress Bruce. With his power set, it's not impressive, it's just expected. It doesn't matter that he didn't use his powers, all that does is make his powers, and by extension himself, seem less useful.

Duke who doesn't trust his own eyes. He only believes in things he can physically touch, because what's to say he's not just making himself see what he wants to? If he can manipulate others perceptions on a whim, how easy must it be to manipulate his own?

Damian who's power is function-less in a fight, and so spent his life constantly training to try and compensate. Who spent so long training and honing his ability that now he struggles to talk with other people. And despite that sacrifice, still can't rise higher than Number Five because of the one thing outside of his control.

Tim who hesitates before he touches anything for the first time because he never knows what he might see. Who had to learn to keep his face natural no matter what he learns, better that than having to explain what he saw to someone who won't understand.

Stephanie who discovers she has powers, that maybe she's not actually the weak link and she can finally help her siblings, just to find out they think she's a villain. That even when they're all the same, she's still the outsider. They still don't believe in her.

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