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Anonymous asked:

I think there are rumors that Dyana will replace Essie. The brothel madame is called Sylvie, so chances are she's meant to be Sylvenna Sand.

Still haven't watched the episode, and I don't intend to. I have all I need form all the talk on twitter and the images/vids, plus the knowledge that this Rhaenyra decides to endanger herself to talk to a woman she should have known has no real power anyway, and who has abused her for years before.

But if Dyana becomes Essie, that would mean that she likely is pregnant still w/Aegon's child, or they'll make it that way. Of course they could always have her get pregnant with Gaemon Palehair by some other man, but with her having been raped before and them not showing her try to use sex to reclaim her body OR become a prostitute to make ends meet, I don't see how they will make it plausible. And if they go either of what I think, that'll mean that this rape victim is likely going to die a heinous death by the same man who raped her (canonically, Essie and Sylvenna were hanged with a lot of people when Aegon comes back to KL). Sure, HotD could always change this as they have for many things that DEFINITELY happened, but the prospect they may not is troubling.

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Essie (pregnant with Gaemon Palehair) and Sylvenna Sand

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Anonymous asked:

How do Martell’s fans square being pro-Hightower & pro-Aegon II when the Reach & Dorne regularly go to war with one another and have embittered and toxic relations, there’s a statue of Daeron the Young Dragon pointing his sword at Dorne in Oldtown, and Aegon II killed Gaemon Palehair’s Dornish mother ???

Anon refers to this ("Samwell V" - A Feast for Crows):

The path divided where the statue of King Daeron the First sat astride his tall stone horse, his sword lifted toward Dorne.

And yes, both the Stormlanders and the Reachmen have an extensive history battling against the Dornishmen both before and after the Targs. It is one of the reasons why the Stormland courtiers of Daeron II's court hated the Dornish presence after he married Myriah Martell and brought many of her countrymen with them and gave them offices.

According to Mushroom, Essie (Gaemon's mother) wasn't likely Dornish. You're thinking of her lover Sylvenna Sand. But both were executed horrendously ("Rhaenyra Overthrown" - Fire and Blood):

The Targ closest to Aegon II by traits and behaviors (gluttony and sexual perversions and sleeping with sex workers [philandering/rape], having multiple bastards, hating their wives, and being overall ultra-misogynists), Aegon IV, had many contraptions built expressly for his own planned war against the Dornish (the one that couldn't even get into the Boneway before self-destructing in wildfyre spillage).

While the Dornish are somewhat more progressive towards noble women and general sexuality than the rest of Westeros, they are still very hierarchical. Oberyn Martell essentially made his own daughter abandon her own mother (how he got Obara) and abandoned the woman who birthed his child himself after he told Obara to choose who to stay with when he easily could have installed Obara's mother in her own dwellings at the very least. He characterized Obara's mother's crying as a female "weapon", and a lesser one at that (misogyny). Obara's mother was also a sex worker. She drank herself to death from misery. So Aegon II's killing Gaemon's mother's lover is not out of the ordinary for this society and to these people (aristocrats), her death means nothing.

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Anonymous asked:

Imagine obsessively pontificating about how much the racists and reactionaries Targaryens oppress Dorne and the smallfolk while stanning the Greens, the side that hangs Sylvenna Sand, a revolutionary lowborn Dornish lesbian and twenty-seven other members of Gaemon Palehair’s “court” (all lowborn).

“Gaemon decreed that girls should henceforth be equal with boys in matter of inheritance, that the poor be given bread and beer in times of famine, and that men who had lost limbs in war must afterward be fed and housed by whichever lord they had been fighting for when the loss took place. Gaemon decreed that husbands who beat their wives should themselves be beaten, irrespective of what the wives had done to warrant such chastisement. These edicts were almost certainly the work of a Dornish whore named Sylvenna Sand, reputedly the paramour of the king’s mother Essie, if Mushroom is to be believed.” — The World of Ice and Fire - Dorne: Queer customs of the South

Couldn't be me. Even though it wasn't prudent to claim that this boy was a bastard of any Targ or claim him the true king of anything, even to create a space where common-born can live or believe in their own dignities, hanging them all was clearly more about Aegon's anger and making it a public point who the "real" king is, similar to what he does the Shepherd (what I think wasn't morally reprehensible, with what that particular man did and was still doing).

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Though in great pain, the king did not retreat to his bedchamber again, nor avail himself of dreamwine or milk of the poppy, but immediately set to pronouncing judgment upon the three “dayfly kings” who had ruled King’s Landing during the Moon of Madness. The squire was the first to face his wroth, and was sentenced to die for high treason. A brave boy, Trystane was at first defiant when dragged before the Iron Throne, until he saw Ser Perkin the Flea standing with the king. That took the heart from him, says Mushroom, but even then the youth did not plead his innocence nor beg for mercy, but asked only that he might be made a knight before he died. This boon King Aegon granted, whereupon Ser Marston Waters dubbed the lad (his fellow bastard) Ser Trystane Fyre (“Truefyre,” the name the boy had bestowed upon himself, being deemed presumptuous), and Ser Alfred Broome struck his head off with Blackfyre, the sword of Aegon the Conqueror. The fate of the Cunny King, Gaemon Palehair, was kinder. Having just turned five, the boy was spared on account of his youth and made a ward of the Crown. His mother, Essie, who had presumed to style herself Lady Esselyn during her son’s brief reign, confessed under torture that Gaemon’s father was not the king, as she had previously claimed, but rather a silver-haired oarsman off a trading galley from Lys. Being lowborn and unworthy of the sword, Essie and the Dornish whore Sylvenna Sand were hanged from the battlements of the Red Keep, together with twenty-seven other members of “King” Gaemon’s court, an ill-favored assortment of thieves, drunkards, mummers, beggars, whores, and panders.

Fire and Blood, by GRRM, pg 554-555

Aegon II after Rhaenyra’s Death – the Shepherd, Trystane Truefyre,and Gaemon Palehair Pt.1

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At the other end of the Street of the Sisters, Gaemon Palehair’s queer kingdom blossomed atop Visenya’s Hill. The court of this four-year-old bastard king was made up of whores, mummers, and thieves, whilst gangs of ruffians, sellswords, and drunkards defended his “rule.” One decree after another came down from the House of Kisses where the child king had his seat, each more outrageous than the last. Gaemon decreed that girls should henceforth be equal with boys in matter of inheritance, that the poor be given bread and beer in times of famine, that men who had lost limbs in war must afterward be fed and housed by whichever lord they had been fighting for when the loss took place. Gaemon decreed that husbands who beat their wives should themselves be beaten, irrespective of what the wives had done to warrant such chastisement. These edicts were almost certainly the work of a Dornish whore named Sylvenna Sand, reputedly the paramour of the little king’s mother Essie, if Mushroom is to be believed.

Fire and Blood, by George R.R. Martin, pg 525 [Gaemon Palehair, his mother, and Sylvenna Sand]

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