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Anonymous asked:

https://www.tumblr.com/lepuffpuff/754993234577637376/otto-when-aemond-killed?source=share

Ok, but this is a valid criticism. Otto is upset by Luke's death because it puts an end to peaceful conversations, but when the rat catchers die... He looked for a cat. This show tries to make the strangest changes in an attempt to whitewash morals and they fail on every count.

I can't believe we ran a season instead of focusing on characters, intra-family dynamics, and politics, only to have 3 episodes where they still don't know if there's war or if they want to fight and all the arguments and dynamics between characters are clown behavior

Free the characters!! because black and green are ruined on all fronts

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¯\_(°_°)_/¯ - otto when aemond killed lucerys (ﾉಠдಠ)ﾉ︵┻━┻ - otto when aegon got 11 ratcatchers hanged, bc his son got brutally murdered by one of them and everyone knows about it, bc public funeral with baby prince literally having visibly sewn head to his body and bc royal gossip spreads through king's landing faster than a fire hotd writers managed to make even otto look fucking stupid

Yep, that person is correct, they switched the reactions Otto canonically had to these events. Probably so Otto has a bit more to do, and it definitely allows Aemond to not suffer any social consequences of kinslaying or to move him more towards his sexual proclivities instead of his political/militaristic involvements. He seems more shadow-man floating from place to place than someone a part of this family even with him supposedly keeping more to himself.

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I think there's intentional and accidental sexism/misogyny (and we've already talked about how HotD is very guilty of making the second one while they swear they only make the first one to talk about feminist issues) But one point, small and tiny because the bar is down, is that Otto wants to parade Helaena and Alicent next to Jaehaerys' body because they are women and them showing pain will move them.On the other hand he forbids Aegon to go in what appears to be "compassion" (points for manipulation) because his king, the head of the (usurped) crown cannot be seen showing weakness.

Unfortunately this is lost as gratuitous misogyny because if they compromised they would make a contrast with Rhaenyra's side and where I'm going they haven't done it

The scene also lost me with the planning of the funeral itself.Seriously, the news of Luke's death hasn't come out? Is no one looking askance at them? Aemond came and broke the news and they just said "that was tough, mate?"

Look, an argument can be made that Jaehaerys' death is "worse" because he was a baby while Luke was on the verge of Westerosi adulthood (they're just as horrible to me, but whatever) but it's so strange how the whole thing about Luke's death not only being tragic but starting the war with a war crime is being overlooked

Is the murder of relatives still taboo there or...?

Yep, I pointed out the lack of the layer of kinslaying in the story HotD presents in Twitter. I agree with your points.

It makes me feel pretty empty, tbh. I can't really care abt Aemond, esp when Ewan has been told to just not emote aside from the brothel thing, and even then he just seems too much of an automaton. Reciting words and immature thoughts as if they are someone else's.

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Anonymous asked:

SO THE FIRST TIME WE HEAR “KINSLAYER” ON THE SHOW IT’S FOR RHAENYRA AND NOT FUCK ASS AEMOND ???

First time I'm hearing of it. Yeah this just doesn't make any sense even for sexist Westeros, bc everyone knows that Lucerys was killed first and even with bastards there's a kinslaying issue...bc it's still your blood. Kinslaying is not a class-exclusive taboo, peasants are beholden to the same rule. Part of it is that this show makes it a lot more open in its in-world's populace/court's impression that Rhaenyra's boys were "obviously" not Laenor's, whereas you can have a whole debate even on this if you just read the book where Rhaenys comes from dark haired Baratheons and she herself had dark hair. Several Targs also deviated from the "typical" look; two of them Alysaa and Alysanne.

It's obvious that the show oversimplified much for the sake of putting a lot more against Rhaenyra than there factually was.

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Anonymous asked:

The thing is... in HOTD, the taboo against kinslaying doesn’t seem to exist.

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No it doesn't, does it?

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Word of Rhaenyra’s coronation reached the Red Keep the next day, to the great displeasure of Aegon II. “My half-sister and my uncle are guilty of high treason,” the young king declared. “I want them attainted, I want them arrested, and I want them dead.” Cooler heads on the green council wished to parley. “The princess must be made to see that her cause is hopeless,” Grand Maester Orwyle said. “Brother should not war against sister. Send me to her, that we may talk and reach an amicable accord.” Aegon would not hear of it. Septon Eustace tells us that His Grace accused the Grand Maester of disloyalty and spoke of having him thrown into a black cell “with your black friends.” But when the two queens—his mother, Queen Alicent, and his wife, Queen Helaena spoke in favor of Orwyle’s proposal, the truculent king gave way reluctantly. So Grand Maester Orwyle was dispatched across Blackwater Bay under a peace banner, leading a retinue that included Ser Arryk Cargyll of the Kingsguard and Ser Gwayne Hightower of the gold cloaks, along with a score of scribes and septons, amongst them Eustace.

Fire and Blood, by GRRM, pg 409

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Then up spoke the queen’s eldest son, Jacaerys. “We should bear those messages,” he said. “Dragons will win the lords over quicker than ravens.” His brother Lucerys agreed, insisting that he and Jace were men, or near enough to make no matter. “Our uncle calls us Strongs, but when the lords see us on dragonback they will know that for a lie. Only Targaryens ride dragons.” Mushroom tells us that the Sea Snake grumbled at this, insisting that the three boys were Velaryons, yet he smiled as he said it, with pride in his voice. Even young Joffrey chimed in, offering to mount his own dragon, Tyraxes, and join his brothers. Princess Rhaenyra forbade that; Joff was but eleven. But Jacaerys was fourteen, Lucerys thirteen; bold and handsome lads, skilled in arms, who had long served as squires. “If you go, you go as messengers, not as knights,” she told them. “You must take no part in any fighting.” Not until both boys had sworn solemn oaths upon a copy of The Seven-Pointed Star would Her Grace consent to using them as her envoys. It was decided that Jace, being the older of the two, would take the longer, more dangerous task, flying first to the Eyrie to treat with the Lady of the Vale, then to White Harbor to win over Lord Manderly, and lastly to Winterfell to meet with Lord Stark. Luke’s mission would be shorter and safer; he was to fly to Storm’s End, where it was expected that Borros Baratheon would give him a warm welcome.

Fire and Blood, by George R.R. Martin, pg 407-408

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Outside the storm was raging. Thunder rolled across the castle, the rain fell in blinding sheets, and from time to time great bolts of blue white lightning lit the world as bright as day. It was bad weather for flying, even for a dragon, and Arrax was struggling to stay aloft when Prince Aemond mounted Vhagar and went after him. Had the sky been calm, Prince Lucerys might have been able to outfly his pursuer, for Arrax was younger and swifter...but the day was “as black as Prince Aemond’s heart,” says Mushroom, and so it came to pass that the dragons met above Shipbreaker Bay. Watchers on the castle walls saw distant blasts of flame, and heard a shriek cut the thunder. Then th two beasts were locked together, lightning crackling around them. Vhagar was five times the size of her foe, the hardened survivor of a hundred battles. If there was a fight, it could not have lasted long. Arrax fell, broken, to be swallowed by the storm-lashed waters of the bay. His head and neck washed up beneath the cliffs below Storm’s End three days later, to make a feast for crabs and seagulls. Mushroom claims that Prince Lucerys’s corpse washed up as well, and tells us that Prince Aemond cut out his eyes and presented them to Lady Maris on a bed of seaweed, but this seems excessive. Some say Vhagar snatched Lucerys off his dragon’s back and swallowed him whole. It has even been claimed that the prince survived his fall, swam to safety, but lost all memory of who he was, spending the rest of his days as a simpleminded fisherman.

Fire and Blood, by George R.R. Martin, pg 421-422

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Aemond Targaryen...who would henceforth be known as Aemond the Kinslayer to his foes...returned to King’s Landing, having won the support of Storm’s End for his brother Aegon, and the undying enmity of Queen Rhaenyra. If he thought to receive a hero’s welcome, he was disappointed. Queen Alicent went pale when she heard what he had done, crying, “Mother have mercy on us all.” Nor was Ser Otto pleased. “You only lost one eye,” he is reported to have said. “How could you be so blind?” The king himself did not share their concerns, however. Aegon II welcomed Prince Aemond home with a great feast, hailed him as “the true blood of the dragon,” and announced that he had made “a good beginning.”

Fire and Blood, by George R.R. Martin, pg 422

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