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Anonymous asked:

What shade of violet or purple do you imagine Rhaenyra's eyes with?

https://www.munsellcolourscienceforpainters.com/ISCCNBS/ISCCNBSSystem.html#:~:text=The%20ISCC%2DNBS%20Colour%20System,-by%20Paul%20Centore

The ISCC-NBS Colour System

I like Moderate violet and Moderate purple. I also think Daemon has a darker shade, maybe Deep violet.

Made some screenshots of the site anon gave:

Aegon III had dark purple eyes which looked almost black, and silver hair which was so pale that it was almost white (Fire & Blood, Aftermath - The Hour of the Wolf). So I think he'd be either the blackish purple or a color so deep it's deeper then the dark violet.

Aegon III, Rhaenys Targaryen (daughter of Jocelyn Baratheon), Aemon Targaryen, the Velayron boys by Rhaenyra, Queen Alysanne Targaryen and Alyssa Targaryen are all Targ/Targ related people who are given specific descriptions emphasizing how different or have some sort of variance from the "average" Targaryen look of purple eyes and silver-gold (not platinum). Everyone else are left to be seen as having pale, gold-silver hair and no description of the eyes until we get to Dany's generation and the one before her. So we don't have a specific canon eye color for Rhaenyra or Daemon, so I think that anything that is not as dark as Aegon III's would suffice and be "correct".

But you asked me what I imagine -- what I imagine partially comes from this reasoning.

I do not imagine Daemon as having any "deeper" or darker colors, more moderate ones. I actually always imagine him as having something between strong violet and brilliant violet.

Rhaenyra always has had something lighter for me, like very light violet. Something that can be seen as playful but can switch to "intimidating" in a jarring second. But I am sure others would rather see her in vivid violet.

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Oh god.

@horizon-verizon I’ve let this ask linger for weeks because I wasn’t emotionally ready to answer, but what better time than this, when Rhaelya art just got published by an official illustrator for the ASOIAF calendar! So, let’s get it on.

“There’s proving, and then there’s knowing”.

I will try, as much as I can, to limit the actual analysis of the facts and the clues to a minimum, because I’m not interested in proving anything by using arguments. There will be arguments, but that’s not my focus here. The discourse on Rhaegar and Lyanna is enormous and very traumatizing as it is. Instead, I will focus on what I felt while reading Rhaegar and Lyanna’s story, the impact their story had on me, the reader. Remember guys, this is not a court. This is art. In this particular art there are loopholes, there are gaps, there are contradictions, there are inconsistencies, there are multiple, highly subjective and often unreliable POV that say polar opposite things and then, in between all these problems that make proving a very complicated task, there is one single line, and this line is so thin that it’s almost imperceptible. But it exists, and it pierces through all the inconsistencies and the gaps and the loopholes and the contradictory POV in a manner that is, strangely, very consistent and steady and unique and has a very clear destination. That line is the core idea of the story the author wanted to tell. Think of it as Ariadne’s red thread, the x element that brings everything together. That line will be my focus here.

Let’s get the facts straight before focusing on that core idea.

Rhaegar was the rightful heir to the throne. Aerys arranged a marriage between him and Elia. They had a daughter, then the tourney of Harrenhall happened where Rhaegar showed his preference for Lyanna. At some point next year Rhaegar and Elia had a son, and then Rhaegar found out she couldn’t have more kids. Then at some point Lyanna disappeared, probably with Rhaegar, and it is said they spent the following months in the Tower of Joy in Dorne. Some say he loved her, some say he raped her. When Lyanna, who was betrothed to Robert (whom she didn’t want) disappeared, the Starks marched south to confront Rhaegar in KL, then Aerys considered them traitors and killed them, in a horrible way. Then Arryn started the Rebellion. At some point Aerys demanded Elia to leave DS and come to KL, probably to use her as bait for the Martells and also Rhaegar. Rhaegar came back to KL, at some point, to convince Aerys to summon Tywin, presumed an ally by all but Aerys himself, who feared him. Tywin didn’t respond. Rhaegar left with part of the Kinsguard (the others have been sent away by Aerys beforehand) and entrusted Jaime with Elia and his children’s lives. But Rhaegar was killed by Robert, and 3 Kingsguards weren’t enough to ensure that nobody approached Lyanna in the Tower : Ned did, and found her dying inside. When Rhaegar fell, Tywin came in KL, presented himself as an ally to deceive Aerys who ordered the guards to open the gates, and then he ordered the Sack of KL and the deaths of Elia and her children, something that Robert also considered necessary and had no regrets for. Quite the contrary, it was thanks to these murders that Robert considered Tywin an ally. After the murders, Oberyn wanted revenge, and part of his revenge was him actively planning a Targaryen restoration. Which didn’t happen, for house Targaryen fell along with Rhaegar.

So this is the factual basis of the story. Let’s look at the actual story.

We are first properly introduced to Rhaegar by two extremely unreliable characters. One is Viserys, his brother, the other is Robert, his foil (I don’t remember who was the first person who mentioned his name, but these two characters are the first to say something specific for his character in the book). Viserys told Dany that Rhaegar “died for the woman he loved”. But is he right? Robert on the other hand hates Rhaegar out of jealousy, and his hatred has turned into “madness” according to Ned. He claims Rhaegar raped Lyanna a thousand times. So which is it? Who was Rhaegar truly?

Let’s start with Cersei’s very vivid memories of the young prince.

“Seventeen and new to knighthood, Rhaegar Targaryen had worn black plate over golden ringmail when he cantered onto the lists. Long streamers of red and gold and orange silk had floated behind his helm, like flames. Two of her uncles fell before his lance, along with a dozen of her father’s finest jousters, the flower of the west. By night the prince played his silver harp and made her weep”.

Dany also asks Barristan what was Rhaegar truly like.

Able. That above all. Determined, deliberate, dutiful, single-minded […] bookish to a fault […] Until one day he found something in his scrolls that changed him. No one knows what it might have been, only that the boy suddenly appeared early one morning in the yard as the knights were donning their steel. He walked up to Ser Willem Darry, the master-at-arms, and said, ‘I will require sword and armor. It seems I must be a warrior”.

He was a charming, comely, bookish prince that became a warrior, for the prophecy, despite the fact that he didn’t enjoy that, according to Barristan.

"He never loved the song of swords the way that Robert did, or Jaime Lannister. It was something he had to do, a task the world had set him. He did it well, for he did everything well. That was his nature. But he took no joy in it. Men said that he loved his harp much better than his lance".

It was a sense of duty that led him to that path. He didn’t enjoy violence, like Robert. That wasn’t his way.

“there was a melancholy to Prince Rhaegar, a sense . . of doom. He was born in grief, my queen, and that shadow hung over him all his days.”

So Rhaegar was a melancholic, bookish young man who loved the harp, but somehow got convinced that he had a big part to play in the upcoming war for the Dawn, and with that came great responsibility. But was he good? Was he loved? Ned tells us this:

“For the first time in years, he found himself remembering Rhaegar Targaryen. He wondered if Rhaegar had frequented brothels; somehow he thought not.”

What a contrast with Robert, the brave nobleman who came to Lyanna’s rescue. Robert, the brave warrior, Robert the drunk, Robert the canon abuser and rapist, Robert who had sex with a girl so young that it shocked Ned, in a context where 13-14 yo girls were considered of age. But again, that wasn’t Rhaegar’s way. Barristan tells us:

“Viserys seemed to be his father’s son, in ways that Rhaegar never did” […]
“There is some good to be said of my father, surely?” “There is, Your Grace. Of him, and those who came before him. Your grandfather Jaehaerys and his brother, their father Aegon, your mother . . . and Rhaegar. Him most of all.”
Daenerys :“I wish I could have known him.” Her voice was wistful.
Barristan : “I wish he could have known you”.

In ADWD we have this:

“ Barristan Selmy had known many kings […] It was his failures that haunted him at night, though. Jaehaerys, Aerys, Robert. Three dead kings. Rhaegar, who would have been a finer king than any of them".

This is in line with the smallfolk’s opinion on Rhaegar:

“When the day comes that you raise your banners, half of Westeros will be with you,” Whitebeard promised. “Your brother Rhaegar is still remembered, with great love.”
"The cheers of the smallfolk had echoed off Casterly Rock like rolling thunder. They cheered Father twice as loudly as they cheered the king, the queen recalled, but only half as loudly as they cheered Prince Rhaegar"

And then Cersei remembers bitterly the rejection…

“Dry those tears, little one. Have you ever seen a lion weep? Your father will find another man for you, a better man than Rhaegar.”
[...] her father had failed her […] Father found no better man. Instead, he gave me Robert […] She had never forgiven Robert for killing him […] The wrong man came back from the Trident”.

The wrong man. Robert was the wrong man. The right man was dead. And that death haunts not one, but many ASOIAF characters throughout the books.

“When Ned had finally come on the scene, Rhaegar lay dead in the stream, while men of both armies scrabbled in the swirling waters for rubies knocked free of his armor”.

And Jaimie…. I have difficulty recalling excerpts from the books that are more harrowing than the following:

“Prince Rhaegar burned with a cold light, now white, now red, now dark. “I left my wife and children in your hands.”
I never thought he’d hurt them.” Jaime’s sword was burning less brightly now. “I was with the king…” [...]
The day had been windy when he said farewell to Rhaegar, in the yard of the Red Keep. […] Rhaegar had put his hand on Jaime’s shoulder. “When this battle’s done I mean to call a council. Changes will be made. I meant to do it long ago, but... well, it does no good to speak of roads not taken. We shall talk when I return.”
Those were the last words Rhaegar Targaryen ever spoke to him. […] the Prince of Dragonstone mounted up and donned his tall black helm, and rode forth to his doom.”

And Jorah…

“Rhaegar lost on the Trident. He lost the battle, he lost the war, he lost the kingdom, and he lost his life. His blood swirled downriver with the rubies from his breastplate, and Robert the Usurper rode over his corpse to steal the Iron Throne. Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaegar died .”

That’s Rhaegar’s story. I insist on mainly using the actual text, because I don’t believe it is emphasized enough by the fandom unfortunately, and the text speaks for itself. No need to complicate art so much. These quotes are far, far, FAR more important in  helping us understand the story than the endless debates over details that are more the result of loopholes and inconsistencies in the story than the result of the story itself.

The problem with Rhaegar is this though : he was married, with kids. And he left his wife and kids and then he died, and then his whole family was killed as a result. And he did that for Lyanna. That’s the issue with Rhaegar, that’s also the point of his whole tragic story. Everything depended on him, his family, his father, his House, the Realm. Everything depended on one single man, and that man decided in a folly to run away with a girl he fell in love with, in a politically tense moment. Because it is obvious, more than obvious, that he was in love with her, and she was in love with him.

He loved her, he died whispering her name. No, it wasn’t the prophecy. Rhaegar felt responsible and weary because of the prophecy, yes, but that’s not enough for him to actively look around and impregnate women randomly because of the prophecy. That wasn’t in his nature. There is no factual basis for that, nor is this in any way reflected on what people said or felt about the man. And obviously, the author never thought about it that way. It’s perverse to even think about it, but, you know, fandom's pillars of faith and all.

Rhaegar loved Lyanna and Lyanna loved Rhaegar. Lyanna wasn’t some poor victim. No, she didn't get locked up in a tower to die. That's not the story, guys. Lyanna run off with the man she loved to escape from her betrothed, a man she held no esteem for, a womanizer who frequented brothels, a man who only pretended to love her, because he was simply rotten inside. Lyanna knew that, despite her young age. Lyanna the willful, Lyanna the Wolf, Lyanna the Knight of the Laughing Tree. She was lively and strong and full of light, a sharp contrast to Rhaegar’s melancholy and grief. Robert only saw her beauty, Ned tells us, not the Iron underneath. Robert didn’t see it, but Rhaegar did, Rhaegar, who was all the things Robert wasn’t, kind, gentle, sensible, a dreamer in a sense. Of course they loved each other. “Lyanna…. was fond of flowers”. Is Ned talking about flowers here? Lyanna died with winter roses in her hands, the same roses that were on the crown Rhaegar gave her, the roses that Ned is bringing on her grave, bringing Rhaegar to her.

Of course they couldn’t be together. The role their romance played in Robert's rebellion is obvious, but overstated nonethelesss. The role their romance played in Elia's death is even more exaggerated by the fandom. In this thread the three main accusations against Rhaegar are dubunked:

  1. "Rhaegar is to blame for Elia's death" : no he's not. (I've also written about that in this thread so I won't bother with the same arguments here). The Lannisters are to blame, and Robert Baratheon. No, Rhaegar didn't "abandon" Elia in KL, like she was in the middle of Sahara. That's fandom nonsense. Elia should be the only one to survive, had it not been for Lannister's treason. Rhaegar tried to save all of them, Lyanna in the Tower and Elia and his family in KL and his House and his Crown. He failed, because Robert killed him.
  2. "Rhaegar should have expected the war" : no he shouldn't. Not necessarily. There is precedent in ASOIAF, he should have expected exile, a destroyed reputation, maybe a forced betrothal between the houses, and a revolt, at most. An actual war that destroyed his house? Oh no. And that's because the 3rd accusation isn't true:
  3. "Rhaegar and Lyanna's romance is solely to blame for the war" : no it isn't. The Starks came south, Aerys executed them, and Arryn started the rebellion. These are very important facts that come between Lyanna's disappearance and the actual war, facts that do not solely depend on Rhaelya. Rhaelya is the tragic couple in the center of the story, the catalyst, yes, that doesn't mean that literally everything is directly caused by them. What of Aery's madness? What of Robert's fragile ego and obsession with killing? What of Lannisters' treason and monstrosity? How far are we willing to go in order to demonize two people for falling in love when they are surrounded by such vileness?

Rhaegar and Lyanna were two willful people who tried to live in a way that was authentic to them, in a context that didn't allow them that. That's what they were, and that's what they did. Yes, that event was the catalyst for every horrible thing that followed : Rhaegar and Lyanna's death, the fall of House Targaryen, Daenery's exile, Elia's rape and death, the execution of the Starks, Lannisters' ascent to power. But it was the catalyst as far as narrative is concerned and not from an ethical standpoint. That's precisely the reason why Rhaegar's fall is so unbelievably tragic in the story. GRRM more than implies to the reader that if Rhaegar had managed to depose his father in the way he wanted to, the future of the realm and of all our characters would be better. Rhaegar's fall is the moment when everything went wrong in this story. It may seem that it's the opposite, but it's not. That's why the outcome of Robert's Rebellion feels so unearned, it feels...dirty, in a way. Rhaegar's and Lyanna's ghosts don't just haunt Ned, Jaime, Barristan, Cersei, Jorah, Aemon. They haunt the whole story, they haunt us, the readers. What happened to them was unfair, it was wrong, just as wrong as what happened to Elia and her kids, the House Targaryen and the Realm in general.

That's the core idea of Rhaegar and Lyanna's story, and also the general story called A Song of Ice and Fire, (a phrase that first Rhaegar uses for his son, giving us the story title). It is everywhere in the text, if one lets the text breathe and speak for itself without biases and without trying to rationalise and sterilize it. There is an injustice that happened there.

It's Dany's and Jon's mission to correct that.

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Lovely analysis, thank you! I also feel all of this and, again and didn’t know people thought differently until I got into an argument with the a relative, who argued that the Starks we’re the absolute victims while Rhaegar and Lyanna we’re stupid and put the entire kingdom in jeopardy with their foolish willfulness.

I love a good tragic love story or a love affair.

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Anonymous asked:

How is it possible that Harwin was able to witness the birth of Lucerys? It does not seem to me that he attended the birth of his other sons as well.

I must say this: please, anyone who wishes to ask questions or expose themselves (the hypocrites), please refer to whether or not you are talking about the show or just the book. Or both and be specific about it. 

To answer your question:

In the book, he would easier "witness" (because he wouldn't be in the room) Lucerys' birth because he became Rhaenyra's guardsmen and sworn shield to replace Criston Cole right after she married Laenor in 114 A.C., when she was 17, Laenor was 20, and Harwin was 23-25. And Harwin followed her to Dragonstone before she birthed any kids. So, she birthed her all kids on Dragonstone, not King's Landing. Jacaerys was born 114 A.C. Luke, 115 A.C. And Joffrey in 117 A.C.

Canonically (not HotD), he’s the captain of the City guard from 105 A.C. to 114 A.C.

In the show, Harwin couldn’t have/shouldn't personally witnessed Rhaenyra birthing Lucerys, like how Viserys does with Aemma and his son Baelon (which only happened because he heard that Aemma labor was dangerous and decided to see through her labors himself...which denotes the choice/allowance to do so) because only a husband or a father (and even the dad bit is weird) are justified to enter the labor room, for the woman’s modesty/chastity. Even uncles and brothers is considered strange (rme). Plus, it is generally not acceptable to have a man near the birthing rooms if not related.

In the show, Harwin appeared after she birthed Joffrey, and way after she came back from seeing Alicent and Viserys in the 6th episode. And we don't know if he actually was there for the other births since that jump cut exists. And there wasn't a strong indication in the same episode that he's consistently been there elsewise.

And going back to the location difference, Harwin and Rhaenyra would have had a lot more freedoms on Dragonstone than in King's Landing, since there are less eyes on them and most of the people who work there for Rhaenyra and under her direct authority (unlike in KL where it is Alicent and Viserys). So even though I mention how Harwin couldn't have been close to her birthing rooms in the show, in the book he would/could actually be close to her...

So no, I can't believe that he's been be able to consistently be by Rhaenyra’s side for any of these kids’ births except Joffrey. In the show.

I assume that he is still the captain in the show, but I honestly lost patience with the show by the very first episode with Alicent and Rhaenyra being friends...so someone will have to correct me, here.

Still, Show!version of him--if he’s the captain--should not have had that much time or stupidity to hang around Rhaenyra for too long or without good excuse and not endanger her rep even further.

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Where did Alicent’s anxiety go post time skip ? Even before, how could a girl who shat her pants at the slightest raise of voice make herself the very center of attention in the cuntiest way at Rhaenyra and Laenor’s wedding ? I suffered from crippling anxiety and panic attacks for ten years, and I was crying uncontrollably after a phone call and would hide in a separate college block every morning before entering the university centre. Why is she such a bad character, the inconsistency physically pains me. It's like they wanted book Alicent for ONE episode (ep 6), some scenes here and there (wanting to maim Luke), and then didn't for the rest of the season.

Actually it was Rhaenyra who canonically had anxiety, she turned her rings around her fingers every time she was stressed. But the show gave that trait to Alicent, along with many others, for nUanCe.

You are right. The only episode where Alicent is actually Alicent is episode 6.

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Image Credit: amos @ deviantart

🔗 LINK to Actual Site for Rhaenyra’s Habit, Dress, and Bearing

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I couldn't reblog all these separate posts, but these are just too good to not have them on my blog.

As I have always said, the Targaryens are NOT colonizers. The Targaryens are conquerors yes, but they did not colonize nor did they commit genocide. And this comes from me an indigenous woc whose people and country have suffered and continue to suffer from actual real life genocide and colonialism; not to mention that we, us, personally have generational trauma and history with actual colonialism and genocide still to this day. We know well what genocide and colonialism is and its negative impacts and consequences because we come from a people that suffered and still suffer from the actions of colonizers and those who commited genocide against us and our people.

But going back to House Targaryen, the Targaryens also never forced their bloodline onto the people they conquered in order to gain dominance of the conquered people. On the contrary, they bolstered marriages between the different kingdoms and their own house to stop the squabbling that had been occurring between the different kingdoms before the conquest.

The Targaryens also never beat, tortured and killed the people they conquered for continuing to practice their culture rather than adopting Valyrian customs. The Targaryens, most notably Dany, actually adapted to the culture of the Seven Kingdoms and the people they have interacted with. If anything, Westeros were the intolerant ones concerning the Targaryens practices - most notably incestious marriages. As a whole, the Targaryens respected and let the Kingdoms continue mostly as they were with their own beliefs and culture.

The Targaryens didn't plunder resources or money from the conquered people and land to make themselves, Valyrian descendants, more powerful and wealthy to have dominion and subjugate the conquered people. The Targaryens also didn't conquer in the name of their Valyrian ancestry or on the name of Old Valyria. They didn't conquer to further extend their own Valyrian power or threshold or create a New Valyria. The conquered people still held their culture, titles and lands.

The Targaryens also never targeted the Westori for simply being Westori or belonging to a specific group of people or religion. The Targaryens didn't kill in mass specific people such as Northerners or the Dornish people. So, they didn't commit genocide either.

Honestly, it's not that hard to understand the difference between conquest, colonialism and genocide if antis actually paid attention to and actually cared about what poc had to say about genocide and colonialism considering we have a long history with real life genocide and colonialism to this day.

The Westerosi are just oh so oppressed, having to sacrifice their kingships and instead being made high lords, and having to pay taxes to the monarch in a feudalistic country!  Oh the horror and the oppression!  That’s what these people sound like.  It’s ridiculous and insulting to actual people who have suffered from real colonialism.  Not to mention, how GRRM paints the unifying of Westeros into a good light.  It’s not that complicated.  The Targaryen’s aren’t the villains.  Yes they’ve had villainous members of the family, but that goes for every type of feudal family, and is not representative to the whole house and bloodline.  That’s not good storytelling.

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[Canon] Ages of ASoIaF Characters When Wed (Pt.6)

Aegon V Targaryen (20) x Betha Blackwood (19)

Duncan Targaryen (19-23) x Jenny of Oldstones (?)

Jaehaerys II Targaryen (15) x Shaera Targaryen (14)

Aerys II Targaryen (*15) x Rhaella Targaryen (*14-16) [no clear wedding date; first child was born 259 A.C.]  

Rhaelle Targaryen (11-16) x Ormund Baratheon (10-11)

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[Canon] Ages of ASoIaF Characters When Wed (Pt.5)

Baelor Targaryen (?) x Jena Dondarrion (?)

Valarr Targaryen (?) x Kiera of Tyrosh (?)

Aerys I Targaryen (?) x Aelinor Penrose (?)

Rhaegel Targaryen (?) x Alys Arryn (?)

Aelor Targaryen (?) x Aelora Targaryen (?)

Valarr Targaryen (?) x Kiera of Tyrosh (?)

Maekar I Targaryen (*16-21) x Dyanna Dayne (*11-41) [no clear wedding date; first child was born 190 A.C.]

Aerion Targaryen (*41-44) x Daenora Targaryen (*20-26) [no clear wedding date; only child was born 232 A.C.]
Daeron Targaryen (*32-33) x Kiera of Tyrosh (?) [no clear wedding date; only child was born 222 A.C.]
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[Canon] Ages of ASoIaF Characters When Wed (Pt.4)

Aegon IV Targaryen (18) x Naerys Targaryen (15)  

Daenerys Targaryen (15) x Maron Martell (40-41)
Daeron II Targaryen (*23) x Myriah Martell (*22-32) [their first kid was born 170 A.C. and there’s no clear date for their wedding & Myriah is told be born from 148-158, but she’s older than Maron, so likeliest ages are from late 20s to 32]
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[Canon] Ages of ASoIaF Characters When Wed (Pt.2)

Aenys I Targaryen (15) x Alyssa Velaryon (15)

Alyssa Velaryon (42-43) x Rogar Baratheon (32-33)

Rhaena Targaryen (18) x Aegon Targaryen (15)

Rhaena Targaryen (26) x Androw Farman (17)

Maegor I Targaryen (13) x Ceryse Hightower (23)

Maegor I Targaryen (27) x Alys Harroway (?)

Maegor I Targaryen (29) x Tyanna of the Tower (?)

Maegor I Targaryen (35) x Elinor Costayne (19)

Maegor I Targaryen (35) x Rhaena Targaryen (24)

Maegor I Targaryen (35) x Jeyne Westerling (19-20)

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[Canon] Ages of ASoIaF Characters When Wed (Pt.1)

Alysanne Targaryen (13) x Jaehaerys I Targaryen (15)

Alyssa Targaryen (15) x Baelon Targaryen (18)
Jocelyn Baratheon (16) x Aemon Targaryen (15)

Rhaenys Targaryen (16) Corlys Velaryon (37)

Alicent Hightower (18) x Viserys I Targaryen (29-30)

Aemma Arryn (11) [consummated: 13] x Viserys I Targaryen (16)

Daemon Targaryen (16) x Rhea Royce (?)

Daemon Targaryen (34) Laena Velaryon (23)

Rhaenyra Targaryen (17) Laenor Velaryon (20)

Rhaenyra Targaryen (23) Daemon Targaryen (39)

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