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It’s so embarrassing for Daenerys’ haters that the only Hugo Award GRRM has won for ASOIAF is for his Daenerys centric novellas. The Starks have 6 POV characters and 162 chapters, and yet “the heart of the story” couldn’t win GRRM what Daenerys has. Same for the Lannisters (3 POV characters, 78 chapters) and the Greyjoys (4 POV characters, 26 chapters).

Tee hee. I imagine that Dany's chapters supplied that wonder, heart, tragedy, etc. as well as thrills that other chapters don't have as much. It must be so embarrassing to not see which character pays in GRRM's bills and keep his beard clean.

A lot of people might counter with Dany being the only Targ left and needing the "extra" stuff about her family bc they're all dead, whereas the others' families continue to actively move the narrative forward. Honey, Dany's chapters has some of the most poignant and intense political intrigue of the entire series! Magical, too,, and the magic adds/shapes the story alongside Bran's. In political intrigue, only the Lannisters and Ironborn Greyjoys really are coming close to Dany.

Or that Dany's family were the ruling family and that it'd only make sense to write thema all up bc if you do, you inevitably explain the rest of Westeros...um, we still only got details about non Targ houses when they were connected to Targs intimately! And all really to center her!

Whatever, Dany herself is defined by her intuitive beauty. Haters can die mad.

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the tradfems obsession with passive ladies gets really umcomfortable with Heleana, considering she's written to be autistic. these people start going "autistic women are true women that understand the value of femininity unlike neurotypical NLOGs and tomboys" and its sooo gross tbh, them speaking over other women. and they give shit to POC for liking Dany, calling them "internalized racists" lol

Yeahhh that whole faction of the fandom is just so disturbing really. The amount of hypocrisy and hatred makes it so exhausting to try to argue with them. They'll never see reason because they're too far up their own asses lol.

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and they give shit to POC for liking Dany, calling them "internalized racists" lol

smacks of a desire to tell PoCs exactly what sort of ideas will "save" them; posing themselves as their saviors and in charge of how they should think/move about media or rel life systems...damn hypocrites, the way many would accuse Dany of similar.

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Daenerys spent 13 years living in exile, poverty, and constant fear and they love her oh so much that they want her to sacrifice her life for the sake of humanity while the rest of the characters have a chance to live their happily ever after at her expense ? It’s out of the question. I don’t care about a better world or people building homes and planting trees if it means Daenerys’ death. I personally want all of their faves to sacrifice themselves so Daenerys can have the daughter she dreams of and have a long and fulfilling life as queen, woman, and mother.

I consider those who are "okay" with her dying even when they say they enjoy her in some way to be antis, ngl. Because in what world do you want or even like a story where an ex-enslaved teenager who hasn't even reached 16 sacrifice herself so feudal assholes can continue to be feudal assholes. Now, don't get me wrong, I do love me feudal drama and mess and speculation, etc., but the retained argument is that Dany doesn't represent anything revolutionary or politically positive while these lords are normalized in their sexist, classist, racist, self-centered etc. behaviors. Or given much more passes. How is that logical or fair or consistent? it would be much better if you just came out and said Dany is simply not in your top favs and let the girl be than to argue she deserves nothing good or to say that it's okay she receives nothing she needs or want if it means Jon, Stannis, Robb, even Cersei deserve more than her on the moral comparison.

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The way some of these anti-targ Andal-FM stans talk about how their faves should get everything they think is "cool" about targs but that the targs don't "deserve"... it has cultural appropriation adjacent vibes.

Oh, definitely! Comes from the hatred of Dany, they want anyone but her to "make use" of these "medieval nuclear weapons" bc apparently the people who have JUST got out of a war between several great houses WITHOUT the Targs being the cause or triggers in any way are great guardians of dragons...

Anyway, they simply despise the idea of these "normies" being outshines by who they perceive as perfect whity colonizers who perform colonizing better than their normie whities. That and when it comes to whiteness, whiteness is by "socialized" nature a parasitical state that will always reframe its taking of certain behaviors, practices, etc. from certain groups--esp those they actually colonized--as anything else innocuous or try to divert. When really it's about using the native populations' cultural resources to both erase them and entrench themselves better into the enviroment they are claiming...which the Targs didn't do to the Westerosi Andal-FMs. Grinds their gears that they can't identify themselves with the victimhood that actually colonized people experienced in this particalur fiction.

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Dany antis (or “neutrals” who parrot those exact talking points just with a handful of social justice lingo thrown in) truly just don’t have any takes worth listening to whatsoever. Their entire line of thinking and worldview is inherently skewed and sexist. If you read the A Song of Ice and Fire books that have been released so far and you came out of them thinking “it is better for this teenage girl to be pregnant, scared, and alone, a bridal slave who exists only to sleep with an adult man, sit beautifully at his side and give him heirs, than it is for her to carve out her own path, step into her own power, reclaim what was stolen from her, and live an autonomous life as a woman leader, liberator, and revolutionary” nothing you say has any meaning to me. And no amount of reblogging gifs of show!Sansa or show!Alicent looking sad and doe eyed will change the fact that you are a misogynist who only supports or accepts female characters who sit down, shut up, look pretty, and let the men handle everything.

The neutrals don't want her to remain scared in the service of a man. They want her to die in a glorious and tragic sacrifice to save Westeros so that their fave can become queen of Winterfell and eat lemon cakes, hashtag grrm deconstructs prophecies hashtag she never got her home back but she gave millions of people a home for centuries to come god bless

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Not TG stans (aka anti Daenerys/anti Targaryen/Stansas/Jonsas crowd) saying that we cheered on Dany burning KL 😭😭😭. Again, who where the ones who cheered for that, knowing what will come next because the showrunners decided to make her do that (aka her dying) ??? Who are the ones who FERVENTLY WISH for that to happen in the books too??? To my knowledge, the only ones who were happy with that decision were the ones who hated Dany.

Not the flailed projection to try and to claim more objectivity for themselves!!!

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This fandom is so baffling because you get people who claim that Valyria is an inherently and singularly evil civilization and that anyone who descends from it or emulates any part of it is also evil and that it's uniquely exploitative because for a time it ruled the slave trade that both predated Valyria and continued on after it. But then they wail about the poor Ghiscari slavers who *checks notes* actually established and once again rule the slave trade and how Dany is so evil and imperialist for "destroying their culture" but also it apparently makes her a slaver by association...

Idk there's a combination of some troubling ideologies behind this interpretation.

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After the avalanche of bad takes inspired by got and hotd I would just like to say that the point of asoiaf is not "feudal power corrupts" and it is not "no one can save Westeros because feudalism bad". I would like to remind you what the function of feudalism in the story actually is, as stated by GRRM:

The medieval setting has been the traditional background for epic Fantasy, even before Tolkien, and there are good reasons for that tradition. The sword has a romance to it that pistols and cannon lack, a powerful symbolic value that touches us on some primal level. Also, the contrasts so apparent in the Middle Ages are very striking -- the ideal of chivalry existed cheek by jowl with the awful brutality of war, great castles loomed over miserable hovels, serfs and princes rode the same roads, and the colorful pageantry of tournaments rose out of a brown and grey world of dung, dirt, and plague. The dramatic possibilities are so rich. ( Source)

Now his notorious statement about Aragorn's tax policy (as much as I vehemently dislike that statement concerning Tolkien, it is still very insightful for GRRM's work) :

Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles? (Source)

Moral relativism right? Nihilism, pessimism, every symbol is doomed to fail, every effort for a better future is doomed to fail because the feudalist structure is inherently rotten. Should we even try then? What is the point in showing a ruler genuinely try? If every leader is doomed to fall victim to external opposing forces and/or corruption or other moral flaw, what is the point in trying? Let's see another statement by GRRM where he explains what asoiaf is actually about:

"In a very basic level winter is coming for all of us. I think that’s one of the things that art is concerned with: the awareness of our own mortality. “Valar morghulis” – “All men must die”. That shadow lies over our world and will until medical science gives us all immortality… but I don’t think it makes it necessarily a pessimistic world (...) the important thing is that love, compassion and empathy with other human beings is still possible. Laughter is still possible! Even laughter in the face of death… The struggle to make the world a better place… We have things like war, murder and rape… horrible things that still exist, but we don’t have to accept them, we can fight the good fight. The fight to eliminate those things.There is darkness in the world, but I don’t think we necessarily need to give way to despair". (Source)

The combination of these statements speaks for itself to someone who has read GRRM's work: the sword has a romance that pistols lack, the dramatic possibilities of the medieval setting are rich, ruling is hard, we can fight the good fight, we should not give way to despair. From that to "No one can save Westeros" the distance is huge and the endpoint is extremely deceptive and also deeply reactionary. If no one can save Westeros, then there is no point in trying to save Westeros. Characters that try to save Westeros, or Essos, or the Wildlings, or anything bigger than their own ass, are not morally superior to others that just benefit from the current status quo or passively tolerate/enable it, since no one can actually do shit and every effort is doomed to fail. Yet this goes directly against the point of asoiaf that can be summed up in the phrase: "ruling is hard". It is hard alright, but the thing is, someone has to do it. Whether that someone has been chosen by the people, or by the gods, or by destiny, or by circumstances, and regardless of the political system that allowed them to yield that power, the point is that someone has power ad hoc at any given time, and power equals responsibility. What do you do with it? How do you govern? How do you choose between two equally grievous alternatives? Who do you listen to? Who do you trust? How can you learn? What if everything you've been told was a lie? How do you move on from there? What if the promises you made contradict each other? What if you fail? How do you live with the guilt, how do you go on? How do you instigate a structural change? What if you try to do that and people die? What if you try to do that and it kills you? Was it worth it? How do you use the power you have? How do you fight the good fight? What makes a fight good?

"Feudalism bad" and "no one can save Westeros" are not just incredibly uninspired catchphrases, they are something much worse: a very nice way of avoiding to answer the real, hard, uncomfortable questions that are the driving force of asoiaf, and a very neat way to justify those who tolerate, enable or reinforce the status quo. Coincidentally, these questions remain the same in every single political system. They are universal. That's why this is a good, relevant, applicable story, that's why we give a fuck even if the context is foreign to us. So spare us the moralizing bullshit please, and thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

The combination of these statements speaks for itself to someone who has read GRRM's work: the sword has a romance that pistols lack, the dramatic possibilities of the medieval setting are rich, ruling is hard, we can fight the good fight, we should not give way to despair.

All of this, and I also want to add that I once listened to a conference of a famous historian (in my country at least) who made a career of debunking outdated myths around the middle ages, that once got asked by someone "but why we should renounce in toto to old myths about the middle ages if I like them?". The historian said that's why fantasy exists: to give us a place to play with outdated ideas about the middle ages that were already abundantly debunked but that still have a certain charm to people. That's why I don't understand the urge of going on length about talking about how asoiaf isn't historically accurate, well of course, it's not medieval, it's *medievalist*.

All of this rambling just to say that people are kinda getting a little too attached to the idea of a revolution that's going to put asoiaf in a modern era in A Dream of Spring, else westeros is doomed and forever forced to stand under a 'tyrant" (which of course excludes the worthy and noble house Stark, whose feudalism is ok because they're everyone's faves). Which can't happen because GRRM isn't writing a historical novel but a novel settled in an universe where castles and dynasties stand for 8000 years. Daenerys wants to free enslaved people and give them a new world to live in, on a *narrative standpoint* it's of no matter if she's a queen or a democratically elected president However, since she calls herself queen, people are uncomfortable with that, lest someone thinks that they're pro monarchy irl!

And again, really, if it's all a convoluted way to make GRRM "culturally advance" westeros till a wannabe French Revolution.... Idk if the message "modern is always better than ancient, screw anything old" is the incredible and positive message that certain fans think it is.

Agree with the fact that the Middle Ages were absolutely not what people think, but also (and kind of irrelevant) Ijbol with the demand for a French Revolution in A Dream of Spring. Yes feudalism in asoiaf ideally has to go, and guess what, the only way for that to happen irl is through radicalism aka a series of very bloody Revolution(s). That's how feudalism ended in France. Haters in the asoiaf fandom supposedly demand radical change and refuse to "support" any form of feudal rulership in the meantime because you know, feudalism bad. Ironically, not only can they not handle actual radicalism, they can't even handle a few victimized slavers lmao. The only character that actually takes some radical steps towards structural change is Dany, and they hate her for that because omg feudalism bad but violence is bad as well uwu. Soooo an actual revolution? Lmao they don't even know what that entails and if they knew they wouldn't agree with it because this does not coincide with the headcanon of their fave as lady of winterfell sitting by a window all day daydreaming and eating lemon cakes while 85 maids brush her beautiful red hair. Because the radicalism they scream for would actually lead to their fave sleeping in a stable scraping horses day and night with dog shit on her head. Since we do not want that for Sansa or for any of our faves who ALL happen to be aristocrats, and since GRRM is not writing a communist manifest, and since our political conscience -hopefully- does not stem from or depend on our fandom activities, it would be preferable to just fucking chill, enjoy this fictional story and cheer for the only character who actually encapsulates radicalism in asoiaf. Jesus.

And btw in case I wasn't clear enough, these people do not fucking want democracy in asoiaf. They say they want that just to dismiss and discredit the efforts of characters who actively go against the status quo like Jon and Dany, accusing them of not being radical enough and/or being too violent/too dependant on feudal values lol. And they do that just to make their reactionary, passive faves look better for doing fuck all, at best, being actual beacons of hatred and bigotry at worst.

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One thing that Dany/Targ antis say is that the Doctrine of Exceptionalism is proof that Targaryens are blood purists… but it really isn’t. First, because it wasn’t even created with any “blood purist” motivation. The motivation for the creation of the doctrine was simply because Jaehaerys and Alysanne got married, but were afraid that the realm wouldn’t accept their marriage because of the Faith of the Seven. So they had to create a whole propaganda to make people believe that the Targaryens were a different kind of people because they rode dragons, and that the gods allowed them to marry each other. At the end of the day, the Doctrine of Exceptionalism was just an excuse that Jaehaerys and Alysanne created so that they could get married, and so that the Targaryens could keep following Valyrian traditions, without getting into conflict with the Faith. And the only thing the Doctrine of Exceptionalism did was to allow incest between Targaryens, but at no point did the Doctrine ever dictate that Targaryens must only marry each other, that they must only marry those of Valyrian blood, or that they should never mix with other people (and indeed, Targaryens married outside their family and outside of Valyrian families many times). The Doctrine has nothing to do with forbidding mixing of blood or with “keeping the blood pure”, the Doctrine simply allowed Targaryens to marry each other. The doctrine had nothing to do with “blood purity”.

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Anonymous asked:

The economy is the last thing a sane and moral human being would worry about when there were slaves sold like chattel. There was only one small group of people benefitting from this economy, and it was the masters. The masters in the cities got rich off brutalizing and selling slaves. Having an entire economy dependent on owning human beings is an economy that deserves to be ruined. The only people who were profiting were the slave owners! The slaves got nothing!

It also incredibly dehumanizing to assume that former slaves wouldn’t know what to do without slavery. All new civilizations begin with nothing and then they make something out of it. New industries can crop up that don’t require the majority of the population to work for free. They can at the very least go to the Free Cities and find work there, or return to their homes before they were enslaved.

Daenerys have a responsibility in kickstarting these new industries and find a new form of PAID work for these people. But I will never, ever be pressed that a bunch of rich slave owners are no longer rich or slave owning.

It is certainly ridiculous that I or anyone should feel sympathy and sorry for a slaver who lost their means of getting rich at the total expense of their brutalized, dehumanized enslaved. Why? Like the enslaved were singing hallelujahs for being enslaved or had wonderful lives by being enslaved? It boggles the mind.

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