also the english are weird about folk culture. we are. we've relegated our folk dances and music to the zone of esoteric nerd shit that only weirdos do, and then we go looking for esoterica in the non-english parts of our heritage because we don't think we've got any of it of our own
#YEAH!!!!!! #people get so weird and skittish about morris and melodeons and stuff #but then they’re like oooh the mystical highlands oooooh the Irish fae oooooh the mabinogion #cheering for the Mari Lwyd and turning their back on the Abbots Bromley Horn Dance #there’s a thorny rose of English pride #where to describe yourself as English is seen as somehow more… I dunno #right wing brexitty xenophobic #than to describe yourself as British #I am made whole by my experience as part of the collection of nations that make up the British Isles #but I am English #and I think if we get embarrassed about that and shuffle it away into British #what we actually do is more imperialist than if we don’t #because we sort of imprint ourselves onto other things that we already politically claim to own #because we are frightened that if we look at what we already have #we will see ourselves as a small and strange country #and not the lynchpin of an ever diminishing empire #that now only exists in how much it can deny itself in the process of claiming ownership of others #and to dive into this world of English folk is seen as peculiar and hobbyist and eccentric #why? why should we not be interested? why is it so specialist? #but instead we rely on specialists #and while I am grateful that they are there #in the pubs and clubs and street sides #it does feel that our folk culture is kept vital by individual passion and not by national habit #which is a place of risk
some really good points here from @rapidashrider. i've always felt the same way about being "british" vs being "english" (although in my clase it's complicated by having scottish family members and a fair chunk of welsh ancestry that makes "english" feel a bit reductive for me), but in the past couple of years i've talked to quite a few welsh and scottish folks who actually find it less offputting for people to say "english" -- possibly for the same reasons you articulate here, that when we obscure our englishness under the heading of "british" we're kind of claiming the whole instead of acknowledging that we are only part of it
i found that a very interesting perspective because within england i think being too aggressively "english" rather than "british" does give off ukip/bnp vibes (though, i mean, the names of those parties suggests the opposite...) and most people i know would feel a bit weird about describing themselves that way, but apparently that's not at all the impression others have of us, which i imagine causes all sorts of mismatched vibes in communication
and yes i think treating welsh/scottish/irish traditions as in some way "mystical" and "magical" and our own as embarrassing is imperialist, acutally; people think it's not bc it's not inherently derogatory towards those other traditions, but it is profoundly Othering, and it erases the real, human history of how those traditions have developed and survived (and ignoring that a lot of aspects of that survival are in response to oppression and attempts at erasure). "our weird nerds waving handkerchiefs around" vs "their ancient magic dance because they're Closer To Nature than us" -- that is not benefiting either tradition
and finally those last tags: it does feel that our folk culture is kept vital by individual passion and not by national habit, which is a place of risk. exactly. there have been a lot of responses to this post where people are outlining their own engagement with english tradition and that is great and i am so glad that those people are doing that and it's been delightful hearing about people's local morris troupes or whatever -- but that it survives in corners is not the same as being a living part of our cultural heritage. very often, it's being put in the box of "esoteric nerd shit": a museum exhibit, a memory, a relic dragged out for special occasions, no longer belonging to the everyday
and certainly there are arguments to be made for the role these traditions play for us now as our sense of community and culture has shifted (especially in urban areas, and it's especially in urban areas that they've been lost) , but the fact that people keep going looking for these traditions elsewhere shows that there's a place for them