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Here is a (non-exhaustive) list of free resources for different sign languages:

Please feel free to add on if you know of others, be it more resource for one of the sign languages above, or resources for learning any of the other 300 plus sign languages.

Edit: I updated the ASL reference to Bill Vicars, but reminder that these are just things I found around, please find Deaf teachers wherever possible! And for ASL, lifeprint.com is another wonderful resource.

This post is still actively getting notes every day, so I wanted to share a new resource with you: Lingvano. This app is:

  • Free, for the first few lessons then it’s about $10 per month
  • Offers lessons from D/deaf teachers
  • Extremely self-paced, built to take in small 5 to 20 minute chunks every day.

The app currently only offers courses in three sign languages: American Sign Language (ASL), British Sign Language (BSL) and Austrian Sign Language (ÖGS).

I will add this to the original post momentarily, but I wanted to put this in a reblog too to raise awareness. I found out about this app from a Deaf content creator, so I really do think it's legit.

The app Toleio has Norwegian sign language. It is free to use.

Thank you for the addition! As a reminder for those who have not seen the corrected version of the post tho, Lingvano is only free for the first few lessons, as it turns out.

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Tips on writing sign language

Disclaimers: while I have been learning ASL (American Sign Language, I am not yet fluent. Also, I am not deaf. Both of these things being said, I have been learning ASL for nearly a year and I’ve been doing independant research about the language itself and the Deaf community. What I’ve listed below are things that I have learned from my own personal experience signing, what I’ve learned in my ASL class, and what I’ve learned from my independant research.

1) When you write signed dialogue, use quotation marks and everything else you would use for any other type of dialogue. Yes, I know they didn’t do that in the Magnus Chase series, but many Deaf readers were made uncomfortable at the choice to depict sign language as not speech. Establish early on that the character signs and then use tags such as “xe signed,” or “hir motions were snappy with irritation.”

2) Without facial expressions, someone’s signs are going to be almost meaningless. All of the grammar is in the face, as are some descriptors. For example, if you can’t see a character’s face, and you’re only looking at their hands, the signs would be the same for the statement “Xe doesn’t have dogs.” and the question “Does xe have dogs?” 

3) There is no such thing as fluent lipreading. The best lipreaders in the world can only understand about 70% of what’s being said, and factors such as darkness, the presence of mustaches, lack of context, and a bunch of other common things can easily lower that ability. If someone’s lipreading, they’re taking little pieces of what they can lipread, and stitching together context and other details to get a general picture of what’s going on, but there’s still always going to be holes.

4) If you’re writing a character who can’t hear, know the difference between deaf (lowercase d) and Deaf (uppercase D). The medical term for not being able to hear anything is deaf. People who use their deafness as part of their identity are referred to, and refer to themselves as Deaf. They are part of the Deaf community.

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peppernine

I don’t agree with everything you’ve written here. A lot of it is good /advice/ but not necessarily sensitive to the wide, WIDE areas of d/Deaf culture.

I also am not a fan of you speaking for d/D/HOH, as you do say you have only been studying the language and doing “independent research.” I’m not sure what that means but you must be aware of the issues we have with hearing people speaking over us.

I do consider myself deaf, I have severe bilateral hearing loss and have been wearing hearing aids for over 10 years. I have also had to teach myself ASL and have other d/D/HOH friends.

I’m gonna respond to each point individually here and do my best to expand upon what I like and didn’t.

1. There are multiple ways to write signed language, and the biggest thing is that writers should pick a method and be consistent. I personally don’t like reading “translated” ASL in dialogue written in quotation marks.

||| “I don’t know what you’re trying to say,” signed Mark doesn’t quite do it for me, because logically I know that the better phrasing would be: Mark signed, “I don’t understand. ”

I feel that this causes a lot of the artistry and familiarity of ASL to be lost in translation. There’s also the issue where many authors will try to write a signing character as though their dialogue would match completely with a hearing person’s dialogue. For example, a fluent signer would never directly give an impassioned speech full of flowery language and metaphors. ASL is descriptive in its vagueness and bodily expression, not its use of idioms. Just translating the SL would likely fall flat if you are trying to create something dramatic. Instead a writer should focus on body language and HOW the signer is communicating. Most importantly to me is that ASL is fundamentally not a written language. So reading it and hearing it in my mind is incongruous. THAT SAID, it is still a very appropriate way to allow your character to communicate. If someone can Gloss correctly and appropriately, I would actually prefer to read THAT but learning gloss is very difficult and I don’t expect authors to be proficient, and gloss can differ between signed languages. I also don’t see an issue with the character signing and only being replied back to, especially if the POV character is non-fluent. For Example:

||| Tim made a series, of fast, complicated gestures with his eyebrows raised. “No I don’t think that would be an option her, Rosie prefers things quiet,” Sasha responded out loud, with her own fingers carefully shaping out letters and patterns. Another flurry of hand movements in response from Tim, Jon caught the words “cook,” “home” and “important” but that didn’t give him any further insight. “Oh, like what we did when we were kids?”

Here I understand that the conversation is happening, one character is signing, one character is using SimCom and the third, Jon, is only aware of one half the conversation, without any SL having to be translated at all.

2. Your example here is correct, but there is more than just facial expressions that are important. In ASL there are five parameters of communicating that are used in every phrasing and each contributes a different meaning. The facets are handshape, palm orientation, movement, location and non-manual. There is an argument that non manual gives the most MEANING to communication — so yes just watching a pair of hand sign is about 50% meaningless. But I want to give writers other options here. You can sign with exaggerated motions, tiny motions, quickly or slowly, with pauses and fidgets and emotion.

3. In regards to lip reading I have nothing to add except that while almost none of us are fluent lip readers, IF a hearing and speaking person covers their mouth or are not facing me (or the d/D/Hoh person) I have now lost at least 50% of what you are trying to communicate

4. There is slightly more nuance to the d/D/HOH conversation. For example, I consider myself deaf. I have severe hearing loss and wear hearing aids and have for over 10 years. However I grew up in a household that didn’t sign (even though half of my family wears HAs). I learned to speak as a hearing child and attended mainstream schooling. I didn’t learn ASL until college, and I don’t have a large Deaf community that I have been able to insert myself into. Capital D Deaf indicates CULTURE. Those that do not consider themselves even deaf, or remain fully immersed in the hearing world are often referred to as Hard of Hearing. The phrase “hearing impaired” is generally considered insulting along similar lines as “person with autism”

5. All correct here. I will only add that similar to how there are Romance languages and Germanic based language families some SLs are more or less similar. ASL is very close to French SL because they were introduced by the same school.

6. Id like to add some minor nuance here. Similarly to how hearing people can walk into a conversation and also be confused, multiple signers will have to rely on context clues to join the conversation. The interesting thing about ASL I’ve always found is that the language is extremely referential. Rather than continuously naming a person or using the same phrasing ASL will simple designate a “space” and refer back to that space during the conversation. For example if I wanted to talk about two different people I might place “Mary” on my right side and sign things related in that space, and refer to conversations with “frank” by signing on the left side of my body.

7. This is another area that needs expansion. It’s not so much that the language itself is blunt. It does of course lack a lot of flowery descriptors and synonyms are rare so there’s not a TON of niceties built into the language. HOWEVER Deaf culture is EXTREMELY blunt. This is generally because most Deaf people rely nearly 100% on sight in conversations, therefore if something is visually obvious it can, and should, be referred to. If discussing weight, a hearing person might say something like “you look…healthy.” a Deaf person might sign LOOK FAT, YOU. Because weight gain is visually obvious. A Deaf conversation might also be brutally honest in terms of someone not liking your new haircut.

8. Not all deaf people use sign language, not all American sign is ASL, some only use Signed English. Some Deaf people were forcibly mainstreamed and not ALLOWED to sign. Not only is there a lot of personal choice involved in whether someone signs or not but there is SO MUCH discrimination in whether some one CAN sign. There are schools for the deaf that only allow verbal communication. Similarly, there are many fluent Deaf people who English is not their first language and the written word can contain a communication barrier. There are a multitude of reasons why someone may or may not choose to sign, or why they may or may not Simultaneously Communicate (SimCom).

9. I also want to make a point that you should never ever consider Assistive devices as curative, or believe that CIs/HAs make hearing easier for a d/D/hoh person. There is a LOT of energy that goes towards sound processing, speaking, and carrying a vocal conversation with hearing loss. The only way I can describe it is similar to someone trying to immerse themselves in foreign language - you have to allocate a lot of “processing” power to translating in your head in real time, and in processing your own voice, tone and phrasing. I am also, for example REALLY BAD at locating sounds - I don’t know where they come from! So I am easily overwhelmed in traditionally “loud” environments because my brain just gets overloaded with auditory information. Assistive devices are an accommodation that is not perfect. Some people will choose to only wear their devices at certain times and/or around certain people. We advocate that children actually receive “hearing breaks” to lessen the energy strain of trying to process sound constantly. Your character may or may not have devices and they may not wear them all the time. If your character is from a hearing family, they may want to wear them constantly because that’s how they were raised.

10. My last comment on the topic involves subtle ways to think about how being d/D/HOH might affect your character: they may like music and they might like it LOUD! Subtitles on EVERYTHING! Your character may be startled when people approach them suddenly! It is a fact of Deaf culture that Deaf people will gather in well lit bright areas. Your deaf character might sleep like the dead! Vibrating alarm clocks! Even with my HAs I have issues hearing doorbells, smoke detectors, microwave alarms, or even tea kettles! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve left the sink running because I couldn’t hear it. Batteries die! SL allows communication from far away or through windows - your character might have conversations in completely different rooms! Expect that your character will likely interact with the world in a very unique matter….. all that to say that I had to come back and remember what the point of this paragraph was: deaf people are really loud!!! we don’t have a great awareness of what an appropriate sound level is - and often we can’t accurately hear ourselves. This turns into deaf people sometimes inappropriately being loud (speaking, slamming doors, with fidgeting etc) until we try to modulate again, OR as someone trying their utmost best to be so quiet to the point where they tiptoe around everything because they’re not sure what is and what isnt’ a noise so they try to be the most silent.

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lillyrosaura

There’s a website where you can learn ASL (American Sign Language) on your own, free and it’s a 31 Day program! The woman on there, her name is Rochelle Barlow, she runs the site and she actually is a homeschool teacher and teaches ASL. I am passing this on to some of you guys cause most of y’all on here is open-minded and curious and it is something important to learn.

I truly believe this site is helpful for some people who can not afford to going to ASL classes, or someone like me that just enjoys learning something new. This site will help with that. Once you sign up you will put in your email address and Rochelle sends you emails on tips on how to sign, gives you practice sheets, and gives you your weekly videos. And its all online. No need to paying for anything. (Unless if you want to she has something very different to this program) 

IMO and yes, this site is really amazing and is important because you never know if someone who is deaf or HOH needs help, if you end up losing your hearing ability this is something you will at least have on the back of your head, and it is just like any other language and should be taught. 

The link has been updated: https://aslrochelle.com/start-here

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zinogirl

This game is so fuckin goooood aaaaaaaaaa

MILES MORALES CAN SIGN I AM CRYING THEY INCLUDED THIS IN THE GAME THEY EVEN LOOK DECENT (though there’s a miss on the fact that his mask stays on, I do love that Deadpool in the comics lifts his mask when he signs with Clint because facial expression is important in ASL)

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the asl sign for “transgender“ is basically the same as the sign for ”beautiful“ but signed at the chest instead of in front of the face.

so that’s cool.

this is my imperfect not-a-fluent-signer understanding but:

(based on a presentation by a deaf trans guy i was at in 2005 where he was promoting that sign)

it seems like that sign was invented and implemented by trans people over the last 10-ish years. before that the predominant vocabulary was “sex change” and then some deaf trans people were like “yo fuck that” and came up with the current sign, which starts off with the sign for “myself,” then motion that indicates both change and coming together, and ends with the closed hand held against the sternum.

and in the process it also mimics the sign for “beautiful”

and because of spatial grammar, things closer to the front of your body in ASL are generally more vital, more emphatic, more immediate, more present.

so it’s actually a case where the word coherently indicates “beauty” and “self transformation” and contains hints of the complete thought of “my self transforming, through a coming together of disparate factors, into something more real, immediate, and vital than I was before.”

so yeah. that’s just fuckin’ awesome.

and that’s just the way to express that concept now.

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I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again but it is absolutely an example of civilizational inadequacy that only deaf people know ASL

“oh we shouldn’t teach children this language, it will only come in handy if they [checks notes] ever have to talk in a situation where it’s noisy or they need to be quiet”

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raginrayguns

My mom learned it because she figured she’ll go deaf when she gets old

My family went holiday SCUBA diving once, and a couple of Deaf guys were in the group. I was really little and I spent most of the briefing overcome with the realization that while the rest of us were going to have regulators in our mouths and be underwater fairly soon, they were going to be able to do all the same stuff and keep talking.

The only reason some form of sign language is not a standard skill is ableism, as far as I can tell.

For anyone interested in learning, Bill Vicars has full lessons of ASL on youtube that were used in my college level classes. 

and here’s the link to the website he puts in his videos:

For BSL, I’ve been (far too) slowly working through the british-sign intro course, which isn’t free but is currently pay-what-you-can.

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I was wondering last night if it was at all possible to translate sign language poetry into writing, when translating poetry from one spoken language to another that uses the same communication devices is already a headache. So I found a book about sign language poetry (by Rachel Sutton-Spence) and it is a delightful read! At one point the author describes a poem by Clayton Valli about a boat, in which the rising and falling pattern of the words he chose (which are located at different heights in the signing space) evokes the bobbing motion of a boat on the water as it approaches a bridge. And, okay, it will never be the same thing but you can tinker with written words to create similar effects, like how Victor Hugo’s poem The Djinns uses rising and falling line length to convey quietness then frantic action then a return to stillness.

Then the author analyses a Christmas ASL poem by Dorothy Miles and at first you’re like, this is translatable—she lists things children ask for Christmas, and includes signs like “pets” and “cake” which both involve touching the back of one hand with the other, creating a visual rhyme. The English translation pairs “pets” with “candy cigarettes” to preserve the rhyme. The author adds that symmetry in signed poetry is comparable to assonance: instead of signing ‘2 people walking’ with one hand the poet might sign ‘1 person walking’ with the right hand and ‘1 person walking’ with the left hand, for poetical effect. As English doesn’t have this opportunity for symmetry, you can translate the intent behind this deliberate, aesthetic symmetry as a rhyme. But then the author goes on to describe how Miles uses gentle, fluttering-open ‘5′ handshapes to convey a feeling of magic and excitement, and adds extra finger-wriggling or fluttering to some signs to make them ‘sparkle’, so the poem goes something like magic-shivers-up-arms, magic-run-downstairs, magic-feel-bumps-through-stocking and as a translator, how do you not ruin the specific charm of this poem?? You would have to draw actual sparkles around every verse to convey a similar effect.

I really love poetry for how great it is at making us aware of all the resources and hidden treasures of our own language, that we often overlook in everyday life, but I also love the other side of the coin, how poetry in translation gleefully makes us aware of all the cool things our language lacks.

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