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So I was rereading Alloy of Law, and I had a theoretical question about cadmium/bendalloy bubbles:

ALSO, does the bubble move with Wayne, or is the boundary initially defined when he starts burning? To me, it makes sense that he would stay as the center of the bubble as he moves (sort of like he’s the source of it, and so always stays at the center), but the books don’t seem to think that? How does work?

Just clearly found a section of Alloy of Law that says the bubble doesn’t move with him… But how does that work? Is the epicenter defined by some weird space-time thing if Wayne isn’t the center/source? Does he define a point for all of that? Is the radius of the bubble always the same for everyone, or does it vary?

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Did some quick research on Coppermind and found more info than I expected:

Normally, the position and size are determined right when the metal starts burning.  Average bubble size is five feet across for a bendalloy bubble and about the “size of a room” for cadmium.  Also passing through a bubble interferes with Investiture?  Not entirely sure what that means…

The most interesting thing is that apparently savants can actually anchor the bubble to themselves and make it move with them (which sounds incredibly useful), and can also actively manipulate the size of the bubble and how much faster time is actually moving inside.

Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of details there about physcially being in and out of the bubble.  OP’s questions sound like great things to ask Brandon!  I’d be eager to hear the answers as well.

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So I was rereading Alloy of Law, and I had a theoretical question about cadmium/bendalloy bubbles:

ALSO, does the bubble move with Wayne, or is the boundary initially defined when he starts burning? To me, it makes sense that he would stay as the center of the bubble as he moves (sort of like he’s the source of it, and so always stays at the center), but the books don’t seem to think that? How does work?

Just clearly found a section of Alloy of Law that says the bubble doesn’t move with him… But how does that work? Is the epicenter defined by some weird space-time thing if Wayne isn’t the center/source? Does he define a point for all of that? Is the radius of the bubble always the same for everyone, or does it vary?

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hoidthevoid

[Here's] an Arcanum answer--it's kinda vague, but it's been answered. I think the radius of the bubble depends on how much you decide to burn when you begin burning (and then would continue burning as you held the bubble up), but don't quote me on it.

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ok so like the following is almost entirely looking way too into things and also loosely rooted in canon at most, but since the narrative reason for ferrings existing in era 2 is bc of more recent mixing with non-terris people (and theres a wob that sazed isnt the one who “split” it), and allomancy and feruchemy are at least partially genetic related, that and other stuff make for entertaining theorizing about what a hypothetical genetic mechanism for the two investitures could be.  i put the bullshit under the cut bc despite being super simplified and ignoring several things, its long af

So with allomancy, at first glance there are 2 more-obvious potential genetic systems.  Under one, each allomantic power has its own gene, with alleles to either express the power or not (no-powers allele would be the dominant).  A mistborn, in this system, would be someone who is expressing the genes for all metals.  Under the other, each allomantic power would be a separate allele for the same gene, with additional alleles for being full mistborn and a dominant no-powers one.  

However, neither of these systems really match whats seen in the books.  Under the distinct-genes system, you wouldnt have the all-or-one mistborn-misting dichotomy.  Itd be rare, but you would definitly have people with multiple, but not all, allomantic powers.  Under the different-alleles system, youd need 2 of the same allele for someone to be either a misting or a mistborn. Therefore, theyd be homozygous and could only pass on the same power to their children.  And since misting children dont necessarily use the same metal as either or their parents, that doesnt work. (straff would be a nightmare for this one like the ma was a tineye and managed to have elend with no powers, zane the mistborn, and a whole shit ton of other misting children, most of whom were not tineyes. and he had all his misting/mistborn children with skaa women. who would be super unlikley to carry any of those genes)

Jumping to feruchemy here, which was all-or-nothing in era one.  This dichotomy implies that all feruchemic abilities are included in a conglomerate gene sequence. They cant be separate genes or alleles bc if they were, ferrings would have been a thing for a while (and also that system wouldnt work as explained in the previous allomancy bit).  Since they werent a thing until the terris people started intermingling with everyone else post-lord-ruler, we can assume that whatever genetic factor results in the ferrings and mistings originated in allomancer populations.

So the “official” explanation is that with the intermingling, feruchemy genes began to “break apart” bc of the mixing with allomancy but im gonna ignore that bc genetics dont work that way.  Even if allomancy made sense as separate genes/alleles, interbreeding between allomancers and feruchemists wouldnt “break apart” feruchemy genes, youd just end up with a full feruchemist who has an additional misting power.  And since ferrings with no allomantic powers are also a thing, this implies that although the splitting of powers was introduced by allomancer poplulations, is it not the allomancy genes themselves that do it, but some other genetic factor.

So since having separate genes/alleles for the different metals doesnt work for  either of the two investitures, it would make sense for the metallic powers for both allomancy and feruchemy to be included within their single gene groups (for visualization purposes, the genes would be something “analogous” to metalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetalmetal).  The powers that you end up expressing are controlled by some other genetic factor, like some complex suppressor or a difference in splicing of the genes, thats inherited separately from the actuall allomancy/feruchemy gene-thing.  

(brief splicing explanation here. so to make proteins, genes are copied into rna that gets taken out to give directions to make the proteins.  Splicing is how the rna copies of genes are cut before they go out to do the protein thing.  a lot of genes have more than one way they can be cut, and the different patterns will result in different proteins being made/different things being done, even tho they were copied from the same original sequence)

this hypothetical other genetic factor is what would have gotten introduced into the terris population to make ferrings (twinborn or not) a thing. additionally, it could also explain how kids can get different powers from their parents - theyd get the full allomancy/feruchemy genetics but inheriting different controls/splicers/whatever could result in different expressions of investiture than their parents.  yay.

(im gonna ignore more complicated stuff like “how could the same supressor/splicer/whatever would work the same way for different gene sets?” by saying that since both allomancy and feruchemy originally came from shards, my man Fuzz wouldve been like “here have these” and made them work on conveniently compatible genetic mechanisms to better preserve their functionality. also i refuse to put any more time into this so thats just going out the window. yeet.)

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Mistborn idea

So, of the Shard Worlds we know, Scadrial is definitely the closest to developing plastics, and I tend to think it will be one of the ones most affected by their integration into society.

With the introduction of plastics, metal can be replaced, and we have no idea how plastic and Innvestature interact. Will it be like aluminum, and act like a nulifier? Unlikely. Will plastic ever actually become a thing, given the importance of metals as a substance? Probably, since plastic is still much lighter and more versatile than most metals.

I don’t know, anyone else got ideas?

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kogiopsis

I mean, plastics are a petroleum product, so now we have another question:  did Scadrial have dinosaurs?

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