i think everyone even cis people should have a deadname. like. picking out your own name and choosing your own identity should be such an integral part of being human. casting away all the falsehoods of childhood and keeping only the love and the wisdom you’ve gained and using that to construct a new self, a new personhood… idk i think cultures that call kids a placeholder name and let them pick their own once they reach maturity were doing something right
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Wondering if I should give The Good Place another shot. I only watched to episode 2.
Has there ever been an explanation given by the CRWBY as to why RWBY episodes tend to fluctuate so heavily when it comes to their time limits? Like how some episodes are barely 16-18 minutes but others are over 25? Is it because of budget reasons or because they felt they told as much as they needed for that episode and just decided to cut at that time? Or did they ever feel like these time limits ended up making some episodes worse for it?
Early on, it's straight up just budget and time. They only had so much money per episode, which means so much personnel to work on it, and so much a person can do in a day. And because of that, there was only so much animation they could make. You can see how many episodes were split in two across two weeks, and Volume 1 is only half of the originally planned Season 1.
Nowadays? Budget is always gonna be a factor, let's be clear. There's only so much animation they can do in a year with the amount of animators they have, and extending the time between Volumes means extending the time between influxes of revenue that come from a Volume's release. Give CRWBY unlimited funds, and I'm sure we'd be getting longer episodes and more content per Volume.
But I'd say a part of it is pacing. RWBY isn't beholden to the 22 minute format. If the story of the episode doesn't need to be that long, they don't need to make the episode that long. If an episode needs to run longer, they let it run longer. They don't have to create filler like a lot of other shows.
So it's a little of everything.
I had the idea of Cinder falling in the Void, and when she does she loses one of her slippers before she falls wich stays.
IDK it feels like they wouldn't miss the opportunity to make a reference to that
that’d be cool, and a neat nod to her allusion. though cinder losing one of her thigh high boots might be a bit difficult 😂
maybe she could lose her feather accessory thingy? it’s the one thing she’s had since the beginning, and it’s clearly like, a cinder thing, so there would be no mistaking it for something else.
yes i will make that feather thingy important one way or another, whataboutit?
"Sparring in glass slippers and you're bound to break your crown" - Big Metal Shoe (V6)
Hmmm. She doesn't wear them anymore, but a fall seems appropriate.
Girl Who Fell Through the World: A girl was running from her mistakes, ended up in a magical other world, went through some shit, realized running from her problems and mistakes just spreads them, and ended up making it back out of that world a changed person.
And...
Cinder: I won’t have to run now.
Rhodes: That’s all you’ll ever do.
...I almost don’t want to put any stock into any of this because of how freaking on the nose it feels.
Since the general idea is that somebody's gonna fall from those walkways, do you think that the whole fable Ozcar were discussing before was hinting at that? Especially the "nothing hurt worse than the loneliness in her chest" part?
Dang. Yeah, it very well might be. I’d assumed it was just a good story for Atlas in general (what with so many arcs centering on loneliness/isolation and all). Still hold that it fits well, but given the current circumstances, having a story where a girl literally falls to the center of the world does feel a bit on the nose now, lol. Which could be really interesting for Cinder and Ruby in particular.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think we’ve seen either of those two alone for a super prolonged period of time. Cinder was off there for the first half of V6, but the moment she could recruit someone, she did. Ruby may have been separated from her team, but she immediately took off with JNR. Both of these characters in particular seem to have issues with being alone. Specifically they both seem to lean on other people in order to cope with their own personal traumas.
Cinder projects her weakness/faults onto people that remind her of herself to avoid the terrifying idea that she may not be the strongest and, consequently can be taken down again. Meanwhile, Ruby seems to cope with her feelings by pushing her own issues down to take care of others because she’s terrified of the idea that she won’t be there for them when they need her (some guesswork on this one. Going off of her semblance, expressions and Red Like Roses Part II) But, regardless. Without anyone for them to use their usual coping mechanisms on (I doubt Ruby would take being lashed out at, and Cinder isn’t exactly going to trust positive support), they’d each have to sit in loneliness and perhaps actually come to terms with what they’ve been using others to run from.
It looks like Cinder will end up trapped in the pocket dimension with RWBY, and now this dumb scenario in my head is SLIGHTLY more plausible. If Cinder were to let her mask drop even a little, the people most likely to notice would be Weiss and Blake. Because they're abuse survivors, too. If Cinder were ever to shrink away instead of fighting back... I don't know, man, I just imagine Weiss and/or Blake seeing her flinch and thinking, "Oh. I see a little of myself in her. This could've been me."
Oh, I love this! And, no I don't think it's dumb at all. I think the most striking thing about Cinder for me is how much she parallels not just one, but all four members of Team RWBY.
For Ruby: Both saw becoming a huntress as something to give purpose, struggle with trauma around a mother figure, choice vs. destiny
Weiss: Grew up in abusive home in Atlas under a domineering parental figure not above using force to make them comply
Blake: Tied her identity and self worth to a "savior" she later came to recognize as an abuser who manipulated and hurt her
Yang: Both lash out to mask emotions, had to grow up quickly without a trustworthy caretaker, focus on strength to cope, traumatic loss of arm.
To the point where it feels really intentional. What separates Cinder from so many other characters we've seen go through similar hardships is that she's never had a support network. Weiss had Winter and Klein, Blake had Ilia, Ruby had Yang, Yang had Ruby and they all have each other. Cinder had Salem.
To have those parallels pay off so that Cinder finally gets support. Finally gets shown compassion by the people who she knows have every reason to hate her most. All because they see and acknowledge and relate to her pain instead of punishing her for it. All because they recognize that they very easily could have become her - I feel like that would be really powerful. Not just in terms of for Cinder as a character. But as an illustration of the show's themes of empathy and choice. Cinder being bad wasn't destined, neither was RWBY being good - it's a matter of choice and circumstance.
Like. Maybe I'm just clowning bc the image of Cinder lashing out only to be met with acknowledgement in Blake and/or Weiss's eyes has got me in tears. But with the themes and parallels they've drawn to Cinder I would not be surprised if they went down a route like this.
In fiction, the rule of three states that an event that occurs repeatedly must have a twist the third time.
Cinder is about to try and take the winter maiden powers for the third time. Instead of being defeated, will she succeed? Give up? Form an unexpected alliance?
Winter is putting herself at risk to save someone else for the third time. This time will she save herself? Join the defectors? Be found out by Ironwood and his followers?
Cinder and Winter are closely paralleled and I'm eager to see how that plays out when their plans go awry and they're forced to face their situations head on.
I’m randomly thinking about just how impulsive and dumb Rhodes really is though.
Let’s put aside whether or not he should take down Cinder after he witnessed her kill her abusers. He’s a huntsman for Atlas so he’ll do the Atlesian thing and bring her in before she can hurt anyone else. That’s what I presume his was. I hope.
I say that I hope his goal was to bring her in alive. Because in that moment when he said “that’s all you’ll ever do”, he could have talked Cinder down. She was looking to him for approval. If he was any sort of trained professional, he could have coaxed her to put down her swords and come to him in the belief that he was on her side. Like how negotiators or others in this type of profession would.
He could have played things cool and disarmed her before he drew his maces on her. But as Cinder looks to him, he draws his weapons and says something that immediately puts Cinder on alert.
Which makes me think... did Rhodes intend to kill Cinder? At the very least, I think he figured there was only one person that was going to leave that room alive. But him drawing his weapons and not giving Cinder a chance to come to him before her disarmed or restrained her sends a different sort of message to me. That maybe he considered Cinder would need to be put down after killing three people.
However! I do think he definitely faltered during the fight. Especially when he knocked her down and she got the jump on him. It’s clear his heart wasn’t in it, that he was sorry.
Just some speculation on the scene.
I keep getting the idea of Cinder falling Under the surface into some underground beneath, given all the Oscar and Cinder parralels and the fact Oscar falling out of the sky in volume 7 was foreshadowed by the 'Boy who fell from the Sky' thing.
And sense fairy tales are based on real events in Remnant that would imply there really is some underground world
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you know, the fairy tale oscar talks about did include the line “she brushed off her bumps and bruises, for nothing hurt worse than the loneliness in her chest”. and that does kinda sound like cinder, if you take into account that mercury and emerald are now gone from her side.
no idea what the underground world could be, though. last time the ground broke, we got a grimm river so we’re definitely swerving away from that. at least, i would hope whatever underground world there might exist is happier place than that 😂
Feeling somewhat satisfied that I called the “Grimmified Cinder” stuff but also sad knowing she’ll probably go Grimm at the end of Vol 8 and it will probably take forever to turn her back. Also turning her back will likely result in her death. Sadness.
If you’ll excuse some hopeful guesswork. What do you do when you have an infection or parasite? You get a fever to burn it out.
Seriously, Cinder can outright incinerate people and make glass from dirt and I’m meant to believe the Grimm arm that can get sliced off with a sword will be an overwhelming issue once Cinder realized she should want it gone?
Even if they want to play it so she can’t handle it all alone, if the arm can pull that Midnight stuff and keep her from getting rid of it completely, I’d still peg it as Cinder being able to resist it overtaking her. She might be the only person able to resist so directly.
And them we can see Cinder learning to ask for help and we can get the Ruby/Cinder/Jaune scene we need.
But yeah, that’s just my hopeful thinking…
I wonder if we'll ever get an explanation on how Cinder was apparently able to hibernate in a cold lake for two to three weeks and come out of that alive.
Does aura protect against drowning? The Maiden powers? Is it the Grimm arm or Salem's interference?
I'm sticking with my immortal theory until we get an explanation.
I want to assume that it's the Grimm Arm doing it's weird grimm things.
we don't completely know how grimm work since we know they're drawn to negative emotion AND aura (before the Dawn explains) they do not have aura but the weather conditions in which they live (atlas grimm example) don't seem to effect them only dust elements effect them. But then we get the Hound and now we don't know shit about grimm again.
it's possible the Grimm Arm has a failsafe for if cinder is harmed near death it could go into hibernation. we know it regenerates and Salem has control over it as seen in vol 7 and 8.
I really think this is more plausible. Salem wouldn't want to give a maiden power to someone and then have her die and Salem has absolutely no control over where the powers go. Putting a failsafe on Cinder was probably one of her ideas to not only keep control of the powers but also Cinder. Since she knew Cinder was alive after all. how else would she know?
Well Salem did state that she could only do so much to assist Cinder. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Grimm arm does involve some sort of failsafe that corresponds to Cinder when she’s in danger.
So as mentioned, it could be: immortality, the Grimm Arm, Cinder’s semblance, aura (doubtful as Cinder’s was breaking as she fell) or other interference from Salem.
I do wonder if we will know what Cinder did after killing the Madame and Rhodes or if the narrative will leave it up to interpretation.
I'd really like that she gets a few days or weeks or so to learn for herself the real world is more harsh and at her lowest then Salem just finds her because that's honestly what a LOT of abusers do and Salem is like mastermind at manipulation and abuse. That time would be perfect to get Cinder to not only join her but also to groom her into the maiden that Salem wants.
it sounds harsh and shitty but what part of Cinders story has been good so far? it'll line up with everything we've been shown and cinder has a near textbook abusive background.
True. And that in-between time of being stuck on the run may show us what happened to her right arm as well.
But in any case, we just need to answer two primary questions:
1. How did Salem recruit Cinder?
2. Why is Cinder absolutely sure about destiny? Coming from her backgrounds of scraps and abuse, she seems awfully sure that this power is meant for her.
BEGINNING OF THE END = MIDNIGHT
The episodes Beginning of the End and Midnight can be seen as complementary.
Both share a similar structure with the first part telling Cinder’s story and the second part showing how past events are influencing the present. At the same time, they show the links among Cinder, Emerald and Mercury and explore their changing dynamic.
In Beginning of the End it is shown how they came together and we reach the climax of their cooperation. The Fall of Beacon is when the trio is at its strongest. It is only because of their coordination and teamwork that the plan succeeds. In Midnight instead we are shown the beginning of their separation.
For different reasons (fears and wishes) both Mercury and Emerald are about to leave Cinder. Mercury already has and it is probable Emerald will soon.
The two episodes also give us two opposite and complementary visions of Cinder.
In Beginning of the End, we have the way Cinder wants to appear:
Cinder: (stepping forward slowly, glass anklet shifting with her footsteps) I’ve already told you. And I don’t like repeating myself.
Salem: I would like to think I have shown a great deal of patience over my many years walking Remnant. But I do hate repeating myself.
Mercury: Is this how you treat a patient? (Emerald reaches over and twists the screwdriver in his leg, causing him to wince) Ah, too tight!
Cinder: Enough. Our Mercury put on a wonderful show. He was quite brave.
Salem: Do you find such malignance necessary?
Watts: I apologize, ma'am. I’m not particularly fond of failure.
Salem: Then I see no reason for your cruelty towards young Cinder. She’s become our Fall Maiden, destroyed Beacon Tower, and most importantly, killed dear Ozpin. So I’m curious, to what failures are you referring?
In Midnight we see who she really is. Moreover, it becomes more and more clear that her imitation of Salem is different from the original:
Salem: I will tell you when and where you are needed.
Cinder: Both of you, get out. I’ll let you know when you’re needed next.
Mercury: Yeah about that, Salem’s got other plans for me. I’m not gonna be taking orders from you anymore.
Why is this being shown through her interactions with Emerald and Mercury? Why are they important for Cinder’s character?
This episode had finally Oz touching on Salem's goal to destroy the world via the gods to finally rest in peace, but...do we actually know this is what she has planned?
Oz as well as others jumped to that conclusion because she is trying to get the relics, which have the possibility to summon the gods when brought together.
Now Salem is many things, but not an outright liar. She twists the truth and that's what makes her so dangerous.
But still...we have never gotten any confirmation of her that this is her goal. More importantly we were told her goal in the official companion book as soon as vol 6 dropped.
She wants to crush Ozpin's resistance, ruling as Remnant's dark queen. That doesn't sound like her having a death wish and wanting everyone to go with her.
So why did even Tyrian claim otherwise?
Because of how you word it. Salem WILL destroy the world, the whole world, as they know it. Which means destroying everyone and everything opposing that on it. To think she would summon the gods, just to stick it to them that their experiment failed is kinda ridiculous. Salem fought the gods once. She runs on vengeance. She will try it again.
I would say until we get confirmation from either Jinn or Salem herself we shouldn't assume that judgement day is her end goal.
