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in case anyone was wondering i’m STILL not over iliad 3. helen really fucked around and found out didn’t she :)
The urgent need to rewrite the Oresteia and make Helen and Menelaus competent parental figures
#like what if helen never died and menelaus wasnt. like that#euripides we have beef for your orestes piece#(and your menelaus characterization but thats for another day)#like idc in my head they adopted erigone helen and aletes never died#‘but they never got to raise hermione! its realistic!’ well idc the characterization isnt RIGHT#the oresteia#an oresteia#menelaus#helen of sparta#electra#orestes#chrysothemis#clytemnestra#agamemnon#xan’s oresteia posting
Priam’s little “I don’t blame you, I blame fate and the gods. Sit with me. Sit with me and see your old husband and your people” to Helen will never not get me
Helen calls Menelaus "my good soldier" in Book III
#i am ill.#this is specifically robert fagles translation. lattimore has “warlike Menelaus” in its place#dont have a wilson so if anyone has i'd love to know what the translation is (its in Helen's description of ajax visiting sparta)#but anyways. robert fagles you are the guy#helen of sparta#menelaus#helen x menelaus#saying my good soldier like saying good boy (to a puppy or in this case a seal)#EDIT: i FORGOT TO CHECK MY FITZGERALD. its 4am i am checking that in the morning
Kaos ultimately failed as a show for not putting Menelaus as part of their “Big Three” as if the gods didn’t ultimately use his love for Helen as a weapon that killed Trojan masses
#and of course its him too. its his choices and he’s not sorry for that#but to be used as a plaything for a god is not a fun feeling. i wish modern media would convery that better#than just do god = evil being / human = good being#while still conveying gods as complex beings AND concepts#while not justifying their heinous actions#kaos was a messy pot of nothing that had potential but ultimately relied on shock factor and not on good storytelling#its just. meh#also this is what separating orpheus and eurydice gets you#anti kaos#kaos critic#menelaus#helen of sparta
Orestes: oh look who it is: mister wifeguy (derogatory)
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🌿 Helen of Sparta 🌿
I love her so much 😭🫶
She deserves better, Im kinda upset of her treatment in the recent books I have read.. Especially her relationship with Menelas (I want a love story pls)
The sketch because I like it too :
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Insane Idea but I need silliness to survive and
Penelope and Helen but as them 🥹
Wait I love this! I agree They’ve Very Interchangeable but I can see Anneliese (pink one) as Helen and Erika (blue one) as Penelope… Imagine Menelaus singing To Be A Princess 😂 and OdyPen singing “If You Love Me for Me” 🥹
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Helen and her Husband(s)
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Pov: it's been ten years; you're fed up with your twink womanizer trojan of a husband but you lock eyes with your real husband Menelaus of Sparta who's come to your rescue
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Why did Helen choose to torment the Greek Warriors inside the Trojan Horse? (An Odyssey Analysis)
Okay so here is a conundrum that seems to be quite interesting in homeric poems. One of them seems to be Helen's behavior before the sacking of Troy. Menelaus informs us and Telemachus on the events of the night before taking Troy and speaks on the moment where Helen knocks on the Trojan Horse and calls upon the Greek warriors inside imitating the voices of their wives.
Three times you circled the hollow ambush and out of the best of the Danaans you called the names and all the Argives heard the voices of their spouses. Nevertheless I and the son of Tydeus and the godly Odysseus heard you as you called out and while we two were eager to rush out and act to our sudden urge, Odysseus though held us back and restrained us despite our eagerness. Then all the other sons of Achaeans endured apart from Anticlus wanted to respond to your call but Odysseus placed his hand upon his mouth non-stop and strongly and thus saving all the Achaeans until Athena Pallas led you away
(Translation by me)
So basically here we see a very cruel act right? Helen knows the Argives were away from home and their wives way too long, over a decade so why would she play such a cruel game to them and call upon them by using the voices of their wives? It seems unnecessarily cruel at some point especially since she did express the need to go back to her husband already a year prior during the events of Iliad.
So here are a couple of explanations for it.
#i remember reading that menelaus along with odysseus were the guys who restrained the soldiers#so i love the interpretation of helen telling her plan to odysseus and him relaying it to her husband#and menelaus is like genius plan my wife is amazing ✨#a faux loyalty to the trojans and loyalty to the greeks disguised as betrayal#helen of sparta#menelaus#odysseus
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“But why now?—because Menelaus has beaten your handsome Paris, and hateful as I am, he longs to take me home?” Helen of Sparta still knowing her soulmate’s heart after a decade of war everybody
Modern movies: Helen still loves Paris so much during Iliad
Helen during Iliad: My pookie seal is so cool, I wish he unalived you
Also
Modern media perspective: Ewww! Helen is such a passive character and bad role model for women! Only beauty and no skills or brain or importance!
Helen in Iliad and Odyssey: Literally talking back to a fucking goddess, the only one who recognized Odysseus in disguise and knew the warriors inside the horse and she has knowledge on medicine, speaks her mind and dines with the rest of the men in the dining room
#oh you guys dont get it im so so proud of her#she telling the goddess of love to fuck off?? that she doesnt want to be blamed anymore for the war?#and yall say she had no agency!#book 3 is just a favorite of mine for this specific reason#ALSO PALLADIUM HEIST HELEN#actively moving the story forward in the little iliad#i just. man i love her#helen of sparta
I should be studying but I'm currently thinking about Helen and Menelaus' first meeting
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Could you draw a visualization of doomed by the narrative please?
I have many examples of characters that are doomed by the narrative, literally all the characters in Greek tragedies, but I made these two as a first example, a god and a mortal
I wanted to make Cassandra since you know, she always knew her destiny and nobody listened to her, so yeah that was a great example but then I thought that even Helen knew that her beauty would just lead to destruction and death, in some version she even gets killed for her "sin" but I'm not gonna talk about that :D
So yeah I took a perfect line from the musical Paris that Cassandra says.
And then we have Ares or more specifically my interpretation and vision of Ares, I always like to make jokes at his expense, I mean you are a god of war but you always end up losing... But I think he also has more depth than what I like to show, and that's when he wears his armour, don't get me wrong he is a douche in both versions but I think that when he puts his helmet and cloak on he is a different type of person.
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Anonymous asked:
Y'all reckon you could sketch Menelaus and Helen in my Iliad cowboy au?
Here ya go, Anon (@cowboy-iliad-au ) . This is probably a sign for me to draw these two more in the future because I did not have set design for em😭🙏 but hope you enjoy
Ouu another Menelaus/Helen song
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day 14. i bet she and hector paint their nails and bitch about paris on those long cold trojan nights