process from my last post since I tried a whole different workflow from my usual and idk I wanted to share if anyone’s interested
I kind of have mixed feelings on it bc on one hand I like the result on the other it led to some problems like me not noticing the anatomy mistakes until too late lol.
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Hi I just wanted to say that I LOVE all your art, your style is so adorable and your designs are perfect!! Your Joff art especially makes me smile every time I see any of it, he's one of my faves and there isn't much art of him so I'm glad someone as talented as you is keeping me so well fed! Also I'm so happy that you've drawn Lancel and Amerei, there isn't much art of them either and Lancel is actually my favourite Lannister, so yeah, thank you 😂
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Also hehe im glad you like my art of joff bc I love to draw him haha I dug up a little doodle of him n marg from when I read the purple wedding chapter
Margaery and Loras in Highgarden. :)
They belongs to George R.R. Martin, of course.
Can i say probably my most unpopular asoiaf opinion?
Ive been given permission its time for me to say it. I dont think margery tyrell is a player in the books. I think the show is mostly the reason people get this in there heads but like margery is a pawn guys, she is as much of a pawn as sansa or as cersei was when she married robert, yes she could potentially grow into a player (if she lives) but at the moment i think shes a pawn in her family's game and cersei veiwing her as the ultimate threat is supposed to show to the reader cersei's paranoia becouse she legitimately thinks this 16 year old girl is some master manipulator who isnt just doing as her family says. Cersei's insanity and paranoia is supposed to be showed through her distrust and hatred of margery and actually beleiving any of what cersei thinks about margery makes cersei seem more rational than i think her characterazation is supposed to be. Olenna, willas, garland and mace are players, margery is not.
I totes forgot that Loras killed his fellow Rainbow Guard in a rage over the loss of a loved ones! If that’s foreshadowing, it is perfectly subtle and more in character than Jaime killing her. I mean he’s already lost his boyfriend, i can’t imagine what losing any more members of his family will do to him. He also threatened Brienne in daylight, in front of a bunch of people too out of rage and grief. If he did it, it would compound the self-made tragedy of both the Tyrell’s & Cersei.
yessss, and in that meta I mentioned (it’s from tungle but I don’t remember who wrote it eugh) they point out that loras is constantly being compared to jaime, claiming that he’s the younger version of him (even jaime thinks so) iirc somebody mentioning (I think sansa?? idr) that if loras knew how joff would treat margy then they would have another kingslayer. i think considering loras as valonqar isn’t totally out of the left field. and since tyrells are known for their wit and how cunning they are, I don’t expect them to tell cersei the truth about loras’ condition. in fact, if fAegon comes for KL I can totally see them switching sides most esp of cersei is responsible for margy’s death.
another thing to consider tho that in asos, jaime and loras had a brief conversation about what happened after loras saw renly dead. loras confessing that he killed the other guards out of rage, jaime reassuring him that he would’ve done the same (tho he lied abt it) so it would be interesting to see this convo happening again but it’s with valonqar loras. if he admits that he did bc of tommen and margy, and if we’re speculating, then perhaps the possibility of cersei setting off wildfire, then it would be interesting to see jaime’s reaction to that keeping in mind that this is a jaime who has already washed his hands off of cersei, and whom is in a path to reclaim his own honor etc.
Loras is more likely the valonqar. And not Jaime
“Be that as it may. Lady Olenna was not about to let Joff harm her precious darling granddaughter, but unlike her son she also realized that under all his flowers and finery, Ser Loras is as hot-tempered as Jaime Lannister. Toss Joffrey, Margaery, and Loras in a pot, and you’ve got the makings for kingslayer stew. The old woman understood something else as well. Her son was determined to make Margaery a queen, and for that he needed a king… but he did not need Joffrey.”
Why this mention of Kingslayer term by Petyr with Loras.There is another where Sansa is talking about Loras.
Ser Loras is a Tyrell, Sansa reminded herself. That other knight was only a Toyne. His brothers had no armies, no way to avenge him but with swords. Yet the more she thought about it all, the more she wondered. Joff might restrain himself for a few turns, perhaps as long as a year, but soon or late he will show his claws, and when he does … The realm might have a second Kingslayer, and there would be war inside the city, as the men of the lion and the men of the rose made the gutters run red.
Sansa was surprised Margaery did not see it too.
Another one
Even Jaime who was once a Kingslayer himself agrees, “He’s me. I am speaking to myself, as I was, all cocksure arrogance and empty chivalry. This is what it does to you, to be too good too young.” Later Jaime comments that Loras, “Is proud and reckless and full of piss…”
So here is a guy who is always being compared to a Kingslayer. Not once but thrice. Why is Martin doing that? Why is Martin telling us that Loras has the right attributes for the Kingslayer.
Among all of Margaery’s brothers, he is the youngest. Also in the Kingsguard he is the youngest brother. So he is the littlebrother of the Kingsguard. In the show he is Margaery’s younger brother. There is hardly any one else.
Another reason I think this cannot be Jamie is the use of the term “The Valonquar” . Not “your Valonqar” where valonquar means little brother. To me “the little brother” is a strong indication to a more universal organization like the Kingsguard. Though it doesnt hurt that Loras is the youngest of Marg’s brothers and among brothers is certainly the little brother.
And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.
Also as the method of death is strangling as mentioned in the prophesy, it is certainly not the type of death Arya or Jamie like to dish out. And Jaime does not have two hands!
Cersei is very likely to provoke Loras the same way Aerys provoked Jamie. Even Cersei likes wildfire and is turning a bit mad. By any logic it simply cannot be Jamie. It would destroy the whole purpose of his redemption arc where he has finally begun to search for honor and has even named his horse honor. Further his honor involves searching for Arya and Sansa. That was his whole purpose. If GRRM wanted to turn in this direction he could easily have kept Jamie at Kings Landing where Jamie would have killed his sister to save the realm.
Some people argue that as Loras disappeared and is nearing death he is an unlikely candidate. However, the only person who has heard about this “injury” is Cersei from a person (Aurane Waters) who betrayed her just a short while later and has has taken up piracy at the stepstones.
Further in the last chapter of ADWD , Kevan Lannister notes that, despite his injuries, Loras has been personally searching Dragonstone. This would seem rather difficult to do for someone who had sustained the grave injuries described by Waters.
Due to this and some other reasons people believe that the whole thing about Loras being gravely injured is a ploy.
There are lots of places where you would find these reasons.
Lannisters dont have many soldiers at Kings Landing (which is a big advantage in the trial for Tyrells) and I suspect Mace is plotting something. They had basically taken 2000 Lannister soldiers to Dragonstone. And they have not returned.
Summary
How Loras will return ,we do not know. But as most evidence points to him not being gravely injured (as he has searched all of Dragonstone despite being injured and Kevan does not consider him to be seriously injured) ,you would expect him to turn up at Kings Landing soon . And unlike Jaime he has two hands,so he can wrap his hands around Cersei’s pale neck as was prophesised
And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.
Notice his hands. Does Jaime have hands? His second hand is just a stump. And he has no control over his artificial hand. He can barely use it to hold a shield loosely. Plus so many mentions of Kingslayer are there with Loras (at least three or four times) .Sansa and Petyr are mentioning him as a starter of a war that will pit the Tyrells and Lannisters against each other Why would the author put these? I find the idea of him killing cute and well behaved Tommen or Mycrellla unlikely. The person he will kill has to be Cersei
Although Loras and unTommen are the top two candidates for valonqar in my book, I’d never caught on to the fact that Loras is doubly a little brother as the youngest Tyrell son and the youngest member of the KG brotherhood. I also think it’s interesting that Loras Tyrell has a history of conflict with Cersei’s bodyguard Ser Gregor Clegane/Ser Robert Strong that dates back to the Hand’s Tourney in AGOT. I imagine Loras would be able to figure out his new brother’s identity quickly enough, and I doubt he would be proud to serve beside FrankenGregor.
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“Westeros has two queens now, and the young one is as beautiful as the old one,” boomed Lyle Crakehall, an oaf of a knight who oft reminded Cersei of her late and unlamented husband. She could have slapped him. …. Cersei glanced past Tommen, to where Margaery sat laughing with her father. She is pretty enough, she had to admit, but most of that is youth. Even peasant girls are pretty at a certain age, when they are still fresh and innocent and unspoiled, and most of them have the same brown hair and brown eyes as she does. Only a fool would ever claim she was more beautiful than I. The world was full of fools, however. So was her son’s court. Her mood was not improved when Mace Tyrell arose to lead the toasts. He raised a golden goblet high, smiling at his pretty little daughter, and in a booming voice said, “To the king and queen!” The other sheep all baaaaaaed along with him. “The king and queen!” they cried, smashing their cups together. “The king and queen!” She had no choice but to drink along with them, all the time wishing that the guests had but a single face, so she could throw her wine into their eyes and remind them that she was the true queen. The only one of Tyrell’s lickspittles who seemed to remember her at all was Paxter Redwyne, who rose to make his own toast, swaying slightly. “To both our queens!” he chirruped. “To the young queen and the old!” – A Feast For Crows
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Margaery is a lesbian, Loras is gay, and Willas is bi. Change my mind
This is true grrm called me on the phone and told me himself. Also Garlan is bi and gets lovingly pegged by leonette fossoway almost every night
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Pretty sure the Tyrells are specifically the family from that joke where all the sons come out as gay and the father’s like "does anyone in this family like women???" and the only daughter raises her hand like "actually-"
