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Frozen Is Cool! Elsa the Snow Queen Rules!

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Hello everyone! My name is Moira, and welcome to my Tumblr page! 😁😁😁 I am an ISFJ, a Ravenclaw, and an American with Irish, English, French, and German roots. I love movies and have a deep interest in filmmaking. I am an avid fan of Star Wars, Harry Potter (both the books and films), and Disney, especially of animated ones and including those from Pixar. Since Frozen was released on November 27, 2013, it has become one of my biggest obsessions and passions, which has further strengthened since the release of Frozen II. I originally started this blog with the intention of liking and reblogging posts about Frozen, then in mid-2014, I began making my own works for said film in the form of analyses. I have written over 135 analyses for the original Frozen alone, and I currently have over 50 for Frozen II (some of which talk about both movies). Since then, though, I have branched out for the franchise by making gif sets from both feature films and the two shorts. I have also written analyses for Star Wars and other various Disney animated films, including Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast, as well as some for Hey Arnold! and The Powerpuff Girls, which are my favorite cartoons.
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Do you think the canon informations we have about the Prince/Beast's age and the duration of his curse are convincing? Because on the portrait that Belle finds at the West Wing of the castle suggests his a late teenager/young adult at best for me. But the narrator says the rose will blossom until the 21st year and Lumière says they have been "rusting for 10 years". Don't know if it is a plot hole or I'm missing something.

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All I can instantly say for sure is that this is one of the most controversial topics and apparent plot holes about Beauty and the Beast!

Like you said, Lumière states, “Ten years, we’ve been rusting”, which makes it sound as if the spell that had changed them all had been active for that length of time. This, along with the narrator’s statement that the rose would gradually wilt by the Beast’s 21st year (implying it means when he turns 21), would imply that the prince was cursed at age 11.

But like you also say, the shredded portrait of him in the West Wing, as well as his appearance in the flashback in The Enchanted Christmas (even though I said previously that I don’t consider this and other DisneyToon “sequels” as official ones), suggest the prince was likely closer to the age of a teenager or young adult when he met the Enchantress. With this in mind, “ten years” is possibly a metaphor for how long it has been since the castle has had company, not an actual statement of how long the curse has been active.

According to the Disney Wiki page about the Beast, the original screenplay of the movie written by Linda Woolverton actually had the prologue mention that the prince was 11 years of age when he was cursed and that the curse was active for ten years. The screenplay also mentions that the prince was the reigning monarch of his kingdom, while Lumière and Cogsworth (who were unnamed at that point) were his regents. However, this was an early draft, so it is unclear if this concept made it into the final product.

There have been times that I’ve questioned this topic when watching the film agin and became frustrated when I couldn’t think of something valid to prove it. But I don’t dwell on it so much now and just accept it without trying to argue anything, except it does seem like a MAJOR plot hole on the filmmakers’ parts. I guess the best I can explain about it is, I believe the prince was 11 years old when he was cursed, and was so for ten years until he turned 21, which would match Lumière’s statement.

But when it comes to the portrait, I have a concept that it could be a painting of him of what he would look like when he was older, with some inspirations being his physical features as an 11-year-old. That may sound like a weak argument since children’s faces can change significantly from when they are preteens to when they become teenagers. But since it offers a possibility, I’d like to stick with this concept.

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When the Frozen II teaser trailer premiered on February 13, 2019, we saw it briefly feature a young girl and boy together in a forest. There is barely a glimpse of the girl’s face before she notices leaves mysteriously parting to reveal the boy (whose face is not shown), who is then lifted into the air by some apparent form of magical wind along with some of the leaves.

The girl has long brown hair and wears simple clothing much like those worn by Sami people, giving the impression that she is a peasant. But the golden-haired boy wears a darker, more formal type of coat, shirt, pants, and boots, suggesting that he is of a higher social class than the girl.

Despite their short appearances, including not seeing much of their faces to make an identification, many fans have come to believe that this young boy and girl (primarily due to what we saw in their physical appearances and the magic element shown in the footage) are Agnarr and Iduna, respectively, when they were (approximately teenaged) children. I have thought about it myself, but I also wanted to be surprised and not make so much speculation before the film’s release date.

The second theatrical trailer for Frozen II, which came out on September 23, begins with Agnarr telling little Anna and Elsa about an enchanted forest, a place filled with magic. As he narrates, we are shown brief glimpses of the past with people who live in this forest while others from the outside world are presumably visiting it. The first flashback from Agnarr’s story shows a young girl, and as she runs, leaves mysteriously lift off the ground and follow her.

As Agnarr continues his story, we are then shown a young boy who wears a dark green coat and has golden blond hair. Just as quickly as we see him, the mysterious wind carrying the leaves passes in front of him, and he turns to his right as he sees them go in that direction.

And then the girl is shown once more being carried up by the wind along with the leaves. The trailer gives the impression that when the boy turns, he sees the girl immediately afterwards, but this may not be what happens in the actual film.

This boy and girl appear to be the same ones that appeared in the teaser, based on their strikingly similar appearances, and now this new trailer further suggests they are indeed the former king and queen of Arendelle. This is because there is more focus on these two unknown characters when Agnarr tells his story (as if they will become more important later), and also because Iduna is present with her husband and the girls while he tells the story.

When lining up these pictures of Iduna and Agnarr with these two other characters (the shot of this girl is the last one in the trailer), the physical resemblances between them seem strong enough to support the theory that it is them. As you can see, the boy has green eyes like Agnarr and the girl has blue eyes like Iduna. But while both females have brown hair, the unknown boy’s hair is more golden in color while Agnarr’s hair is strawberry blond (which Anna inherited from him). However, hair can sometimes can change color when kids grow up, so perhaps it happened to him.

If these two kids are Agnarr and Iduna, I’m starting to develop a headcanon that Iduna lived in the forest while Agnarr was the born into royalty. This seems evident based on their attire, especially because the boy’s clothes look more regal and royal-like. But this article mentions King Runeard, who is Agnarr’s father, proving that he was the one who was born in the royal court of Arendelle. Perhaps in his youth, Agnarr and his family made one or more visits to the forest and the people who lived there were visitors to Arendelle. This might explain how the two met each other, and eventually they fell in love and married when they were grown up. Regardless of when they married, once Agnarr was crowned king (hinted by the portrait of his coronation from the first film), then Iduna became his queen.

So until Frozen II comes out, we won’t know just who this mystery girl and boy are, but the more I watch the trailer and see images from it here on Tumblr, the more I believe that they are Queen Iduna and King Agnarr. 😉

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