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It’s interesting how The Curse of the Black Pearl begins with Elizabeth and Will, and only after we get introduced to Jack. They are all main characters, however that choice seems interesting to me. Additionally, the way he is introduced is like a second first scene of the movie, it could have begun with Jack on that boat, and it would have been a great beginning. But instead we begin with Elizabeth. And by the time we meet Jack we already know: that she is interested in pirates, the way everybody in her world treats pirates, the way she and Will met, the fact that Will came from a pirate ship, and the fact that there is a ghost pirate ship attacking other ships. And only THEN we see Jack on his sinking boat, the skeletons of pirates foreshadowing Barbossa’s crew and Jack’s entire goal: to find a ship. And then we learn that it’s not just some ship, but the Black Pearl, the Pearl that Elizabeth saw ten years ago. It’s clear to us that he and Elizabeth will meet, because they are the main characters, but even before they do we can see a connection between them.

At World’s End’s ending is also built the same exact way. It ends with Will leaving Elizabeth on the shore, their story that begun in cotbp is logically ended. That scene where she stands alone on the beach could have been the end of the movie. But instead they show us Jack, who is facing the exact same problem he was facing at the beginning of cotbp — his ship is stolen (by Barbossa, no less), and he sets out into the ocean on a small boat to get it back. That is the true ending of the story. It’s interesting how Jack, despite changing as a person throughout the story (he chooses his friends over his beloved ship, he sacrifices himself instead of running away, he sees Elizabeth for what she really is and most importantly, he gives up his dream of roaming the seas forever to save Will), he never changes as a, well, character. Elizabeth is a governor’s daughter in the beginning, and a pirate king at the end. Will is a smith, a simple honest working man, who ends up becoming Davy Jones himself. But Jack is exactly the way we met him when we part with him: a pirate chasing treasure (the black pearl).

It’s a very interesting consecutive storytelling choice that differentiates Elizabeth and Will from Jack. They are the main characters, and Jack is a secondary character more than a main one. They are the ones who get thrown into the story, into a world entirely different to their own, but Jack? Jack IS the world. Jack represents the ending age of piracy, the magic and the freedom of it. Jack is part of the story that Elizabeth and Will find themselves in. He changes as a man but he doesn’t change as a symbol, his role doesn’t change. That’s why the next two movies and their endings aren’t interesting or satisfactory to me, Jack becomes Elizabeth/Will and starts doing something outside of his initial fate. Him getting the Black Pearl at the end of cotbp is good because the movie itself has a happy ending for everyone. Will and Elizabeth are together, and Jack sets off to roam the seas, he’s still piracy, and they are still the main characters. At the end of dmtnt he observes them, they get their happy ending, but he sets his goal “beyond the horizon”. All of his enemies are dead and he has changed from a character representing the restlessness of piracy to a character with his own story apart from being a pirate in the Caribbean. He has his story and goals within the idea of him representing a pirate’s life, but the moment this unending way of life is lost on him, his own personality is lost on him.

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Elizabeth’s friendship with Jack is a very interesting example of a Slytherin friendship. Of a friendship that’s silently honest because you don’t need to pretend to be better than you are in it, you don’t need to apologise for your ruthlessness, determination, shrewdness, you don’t need to hide parts of yourself. Because the other person understands, he is just like you. I don’t ship them, I think that Willabeth is how it should have gone and that Elizabeth belongs with Will. They are different and love each other despite their wrongs. It’s beautiful. But Jack and Elizabeth get each other, he’s the one she doesn’t need to pretend with. He sees her for who she is: curious, shrewd, cunning, ruthless, proud, and he doesn’t blame her for it. He understands.

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In my version Elizabeth Swann went back to sailing the seas as a captain of a ship, discovering new lands and adventures for herself. She also met Will on board of the Dutchman once a while, because it’s totally possible when the Dutchman is in this world, just like everybody visited Davy Jones. So no they weren’t apart for 10 years, though they weren’t living together. She also met Jack a couple times. Anyway, Elizabeth Swann is a pirate and remained a pirate after awe.

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James Norrington did nothing wrong. His only crime was being a Jane Austen hero in a Disney movie based on a theme park ride.

Okay, no. I tried, but couldn’t just let this post stand. Listen, OP, I agree with you 10,000%, but it is so much worse than that.

In CotBP, where the criticism that James is boring is most likely to come up, we can see in his introductory scene that James is head over heels for this woman by Regency standards. I mean, the unflappable, highest ranking Naval officer in Port Royal is reduced to a stammering, awkward mess around Elizabeth. If this were an Austen novel, y’all would be fucking swooning.

And what of the deleted scenes? (Don’t even get me started on this, I will rant for hours about how salty I am that they cut them.) We see James agonizing over the fact that he believes Elizabeth has only accepted his proposal as a means to an end. His stony veneer cracks, and we get to see him vulnerable!

‘Is it so wrong that I should want it given unconditionally?’ is such a fucking incredible line, and in a period drama, would be seen as a declaration!

But James isn’t in a period drama. He’s in a Disney movie based on a theme park ride. The film is an unapologetic mishmash of genres, and he has committed a cardinal sin by falling in love with Elizabeth, a modern character. She practically rolls her eyes at his heartfelt confessions! She wants nothing to do with his subtle emotional advances!

While, in a Austen novel, James Norrington would have been the clear hero and most obvious choice for Elizabeth to make, she is completely uninterested because he’s made the mistake of being period appropriate and not a product of the early 2000s like the rest of the main cast.

And the worst part is…once James changes so that he fits into their world…he is killed.

But that’s a discussion for another time.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

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hacked-wtsdz

Elizabeth tho…I think it’s more than being “modern” for her too. Sure, James is a Jane Austen hero, but this Elizabeth isn’t a Bennet. I’ve just rewatched the Curse of the Black Pearl, and that girl has been ruthless from the start. Elizabeth knows what she wants, she knows what she doesn’t want, and she comes up with ways to achieve her ends every time, often despite what someone else might think or feel. That’s an incredible trait because ruthlessness isn’t given to female characters, as a rule.

So I really like Elizabeth in this situation and I really like that they weren’t afraid to make her that way. She didn’t agree to marry Norrington to play with his feelings like many other movies might want to persuade us, she agreed to do it as a mean to save Will, sacrificing herself. James is just a tool in her hands like Jack in the next movie. That’s what she does. And that’s what Jack does too, however while he’s adored for it, she is often hated for the same reason. And while I do feel sorry for James, I fucking love the writers for making Elizabeth that way. Not a “modern feminist icon” for the purpose of that, but a pirate. A ruthless, cunning woman who knows what she wants and knows how to get it but isn’t turned into a villain for that. It makes my blood boil when people (not even you precisely) give her hate and disdain for being a pirate in a movie about pirates, as if women must be empathetic and romantic no matter what.

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Time for me to once again barf some more nonsense all over your dashes about why I love Pirates of the Caribbean even though it's not cool anymore:

So one of the things the first three PotC movies were especially good at was drip-feeding information about the characters in ways that were both valuable and concise, and building on the characters in ways that were largely consistent and sensible. (I said LARGELY)

Like there's the masterful way Jack's intro to the movies with the sinking boat told us everything about how Jack is simultaneously the Worst and Best at what he does at the same time--how he keeps trying to capitalize on bad situations, even if it actually digs him deeper for a while; or the way the history with Barbossa, Jack, Bootstrap and the Pearl gets unraveled, and how it connects to the protagonists' current conflicts etc.

But one of my favorite things the little things they do to lay the groundwork for (surprise lol) Will's character. People have talked a lot about the way his first CotBP scene with him as a 19-year-old tells you in a matter of seconds:

  1. Will's become a blacksmith apprentice
  2. He's an excellent smith in his own right and takes pride in his work
  3. He's smitten with Elizabeth
  4. The society he's in doesn't grant him respect or recognition for his labor
  5. The society he's in doesn't "approve" of his love for Elizabeth, so he keeps it secret
  6. He currently tolerates these dumb rules of society, even if they're at his expense

All of it is setting up for payoffs later in the story, and all of it done without explicit dialogue, in about 60 seconds. The words "blacksmith," "love," "proud" etc. aren't even mentioned in the scene at all. Instead we're told all of this information with blocking, facial expressions, tones of voice, shifts in mood and allusions. Will delivering the order and Swann's mentioning of his master allows us to infer what Will is. His ability and pride in his work is communicated through the flourish, enthusiasm and knowledge with which he presents the sword to Swann. That combines with Swann treating him as just the errand boy and Will's responding pained smile to nail points 1, 4 & 5 all at the same time...

Which is great and cool! But what I especially love is that that style of storytelling doesn't suddenly stop after each characters' introductory scene--you keep learning about them as the movie progresses. So when you get to his second scene, with that amazing swordfight in the forge, the swordfight isn't just an entertaining stint of action, it tells us more about both Jack and Will at the same time, through both their words and actions.

For example, we learn over the course of this scene that Will didn't just go above and beyond on Norrington's dress sword--he essentially runs the forge alone. Again, this is never explicitly stated in the movie, but instead it's presented in ways we infer: the way Will keeps the smithy in tight order, the apparently-advanced state of Brown's alcoholism and how Will works with it, or the way there's a donkey running the bellows--a detail that both gives us a rocking set piece for the swordfight AND also explains how Will can tend the forge and maintain its temperature by himself.

Or for another example: we learn the guy who appeared polite and sweet in that first scene is actually hella repressed and get our first glimpse at how he's kind of batshit crazy. And not only does this fight scene use Will's lusts/desires as a set up for his character arc, but it's beginning a pay off already by this point. How do I mean that? Well, obviously there's the way this scene is building on the prior scene to show that, no, Will is actually NOT cool with where society is keeping him, but he asserts that part of his sword obsession comes from the desire to be able to kill a pirate on sight, which ... WTF, dude? Where did that even come from? Why?

Two reasons, which both were alluded to earlier in the movie for us:

The first is pretty obvious: Will's gung-ho about killing pirates because, as far as he's concerned, they were gung-ho about killing him as a child and trauma therapy didn't really exist in the early 18th century, especially not for the lower classes. The second is a bit more of a reach, but is backed up by commentary from cast and crew: Will's gung-ho about killing pirates, because Norrington is.

PotC is fundamentally the story of Elizabeth Swann and her relationship with her place in society, which means Will's own coming-of-age journey is largely centered in what he can and cannot offer Elizabeth--as a romantic interest, yeah, but also just as a deuteragonist as well. The thing about Will--at least in CotBP--is that his loudest desire is to love Elizabeth, but the other desire that gets overlooked a lot in his character is his craving for recognition. What Will wants, just for himself, is to be Noticed. And because of this, early set up for his character is not only establishing who is, but who he isn't and who he wants to be by using Norrington and Jack as contrasts and benchmarks. This is why they go out of their way to emphasize along the way how young and out-of-place Will constantly is. The giving Mr. Brown credit for everything worthwhile he does, "You are not a military man, you are not a sailor" chastisements, the "whelp" nicknames. Will's a boy, he's poor, he's indentured, he's stupid, he's complacent, he's rash... he's just not Good Enough for her by any measurement.

So in a way, Norrington as a character is a stand-in for the expectations of society for both Elizabeth and Will. Establishing Elizabeth's father's enthusiasm for an engagement with Norrington, establishing him as a rising star in the Navy, not only establishes how Elizabeth is dissatisfied with her life and its trajectory (even if it's not Bad, per se), but also establishes what kind of man Will believes he needs to be to better fit in Elizabeth's world--in the eyes of society, anyway. So a lot of Will's early public image of himself is modeled after who society says a man should be--a man like Norrington. And Norrington is a pirate killer.

So not only is Will's conflict with society underlined and illustrated in his relationship with Norrington, but his main conflict with Elizabeth and what's keeping him away from her is established: he's trying to be like Norrington, the man representative of polite society and thereby representative of who/what Elizabeth does not want--so unwittingly by trying to make himself more suitable, by being something he's not, he's making himself LESS suitable for her--which is implied in their "how many times do I have to ask," "at least once more, Miss Swann" exchange.

And like all of this dense information is packed into the movie about this character in the space of three scenes, all before the major conflict of the movie's first act has even really kicked off. I haven't even touched on yet how this all not only sensibly informs the character and his arc on the back half of the movie, but the payoffs that build on all this in the rest of the trilogy. I'd go on but this is already super long and just...

I freakin' love these first few movies and the lead characters. They're so good.

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Elizabeth Swann is an icon. She’s one of the best written female characters in fantasy films mostly because she isn’t a Mary Sue. One of the things that I won’t ever stop saying is that the point isn’t to make women strong or badass, the point is to make their character deep and interesting. Just like…male characters. And while many movies have badass girls, they are boring and were created by the male gaze (like Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad, though she isn’t boring). But Elizabeth is truly interesting. She has an inner conflict, character development through the films, romantic interest that wasn’t her entire motivation. She wasn’t just brave or courageous, she was bold, confident, cunning, ruthless, loud, she wasn’t the woman men usually like because she is uncontrollable. She is a pirate. Not every strong lady in films is a fugitive, a captain, a bride and a freaking king all in one movie. All in all, Elizabeth Swann is awesome and people who don’t like her usually don’t for the same reasons they like Jack Sparrow or Barbossa.

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I don’t think we talk enough about how, despite the presence of multiple globes, PotC takes place on a flat earth, ice wall included.

I'm gonna need some elaboration here

They literally sail over the edge of it after passing through a hole in a wall of ice. They fall off. They get back to the other side by passing through the whole ocean.

But also there’s a globe on, like, everyone’s desk.

You get it.

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No, but this is actually (sort of) canon.

See, part of the conceit of the PotC trilogy is that all myths are true. Nearly every supernatural element in the franchise has a root in some real world mythology or pirate lore, although some of them are mashed together.

Another thing is that they take place at the end of the Golden Age of Piracy, and the more the map gets filled in, and the more the Royal Navy takes power, there less room there is for the mystical and supernatural in the world. This is explicitly called out in At World's End with the death of the kraken:

Barbossa: The world used to be a bigger place. Jack: The world's still the same. There's just... less in it.

The only way to access the world of the supernatural is through the supernatural itself. You can only get to the Isla de Muerta with Jack's compass that points to whatever you desire, or if you already know where its is. You need Tia Dalma's map to find the edge of the world. To access the supernatural, you need to already be immersed in it.

The pirates world isn't flat, it's round - but because the edge of the world exists in myth, it therefore exists in reality. The pirates are able to find it through supernatural means, but if, say, someone like Norrington just sailed in the same general direction, he wouldn't end up in the same place.

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nitewrighter

“Pirate” is a mage subclass fueled by word of mouth, rule of cool, The Power of Belief/Love/Friendship, and rum.

Mostly rum.

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hacked-wtsdz

That quote in At World’s End has always resonated with me and this is why. I have always felt something like regret or longing for the mystery that has died after the world has become completely known to man. There is, in fact, less in it left. And a tiny part of my heart believes that long before we discovered new worlds, there may perhaps have been other creatures walking this earth. There may perhaps have been ‘more’ in it.

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I don’t think we talk enough about how, despite the presence of multiple globes, PotC takes place on a flat earth, ice wall included.

I'm gonna need some elaboration here

They literally sail over the edge of it after passing through a hole in a wall of ice. They fall off. They get back to the other side by passing through the whole ocean.

But also there’s a globe on, like, everyone’s desk.

You get it.

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finalvortex

No, but this is actually (sort of) canon.

See, part of the conceit of the PotC trilogy is that all myths are true. Nearly every supernatural element in the franchise has a root in some real world mythology or pirate lore, although some of them are mashed together.

Another thing is that they take place at the end of the Golden Age of Piracy, and the more the map gets filled in, and the more the Royal Navy takes power, there less room there is for the mystical and supernatural in the world. This is explicitly called out in At World's End with the death of the kraken:

Barbossa: The world used to be a bigger place. Jack: The world's still the same. There's just... less in it.

The only way to access the world of the supernatural is through the supernatural itself. You can only get to the Isla de Muerta with Jack's compass that points to whatever you desire, or if you already know where its is. You need Tia Dalma's map to find the edge of the world. To access the supernatural, you need to already be immersed in it.

The pirates world isn't flat, it's round - but because the edge of the world exists in myth, it therefore exists in reality. The pirates are able to find it through supernatural means, but if, say, someone like Norrington just sailed in the same general direction, he wouldn't end up in the same place.

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