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AHSOKA TANO in THE CLONE WARS 7.12 “VICTORY AND DEATH”
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no but star wars is so tragic. these three people…I can’t explain how depressing it is. the first two prequels showed us them happy and full of hope, full of dreams, full of love, full of faith in their way. corrupt and harsh and lying sometimes, sometimes in grief, but still good people. people with a purpose, with possibilities, with duties, with a future that they thought they were fighting for. and it all ended like that, them becoming a shallow shadow, a dead woman and a murder machine drowning in anger, regret and sorrow.
I mean look at this fucking chaos. Wreck of a space wizard diva.
And I am once again writing about Star Wars not being a child’s sci-fi movie about lightsabers and starships.
Star Wars is, first and foremost, an incredibly well written story that follows a lot of classic storytelling ways (it has all the archetypes, the beginning of ANH is more than famous in many other stories), but also has a lot of unexpected turns and unusual character decisions. It is a story not only about how good defeats evil, it’s a lot more complex than that, but it all boils down to one thing: love. Love is what shatters the galaxy over and over, love is what builds it back up.
Star Wars is a story about friendship, about true, real, never-ending, selfless friendship that leaves a bitter taste in your mouth once lost. It comes back eventually, but it gets ripped out of your heart, leaving nothing but ash at first. It’s about people trusting each other and failing each other, it’s about people hurting each other in horrible ways and betraying each other, and paying for their wrongs. It’s a story about loyalty and the pain of the loss of a friend. It shows very well the deep black hole that is left after you lose a friend. But it also shows how important friendship is, how it ties and saves the universe, how love saves it.
Star Wars is about war. Of course it is. But not only the shiny, glorious side of war. It is also about loss and death and the terrible marks that war leaves on everybody. It’s about regret and pain, and the consequences of peoples’ greed, pride and selfishness.
Star Wars is about the wheels of time rolling slowly. An era comes after an era, but eras aren’t sentient. They don’t change themselves. People do, people make decisions, people lie and love and choose, and then face the consequences. People meet with the chaos that their own vanity and pride bring, people always get punished for the crimes they commit. And many are affected by it, many innocents. That is what the wheels of time crush under themselves.
Star Wars is about faith. Faith in your friends, in your loved ones, in fate and even in your enemies. Faith in yourself. And the lack of faith. And what it can end with, and that it is earned, and that it is essential. The lack of faith made the galaxy collapse, it’s presence saved it. Luke Skywalker had faith in Darth Vader, in a murderer and a monster, and it wasn’t in vain. Because love and faith often aren’t.
Star Wars is about love. It is always about love. It’s about loving enough to let go and loving so much you can’t, and loving to an extent that redeems the irredeemable, and destroys the indestroyable, and kills the unkillable. It is about how love is what holds people together. Love is what made Anakin betray his friends, love is what made Luke save them. Love is what tortures, love is what redeems, it is what brings joy and terror and grief, but also freedom and peace. Star Wars is about how important love is, not in a sugary kind of way, but in a harsh, honest way.
Aliens, starships, lightsabers, blasters, planets and magic are all very important, they make the Star Wars universe interesting and wide. But at its core Star Wars is a story about love, and it is sad that many fans don’t really see it as that.
theres so many time travel fics where luke, rey, hell, even revan or some other Wise Jedi Pupil time travels to the clone wars. but i wanna see everyone in the original trilogy crew EXCEPT luke (or any jedi) show up on coruscant in the middle of TCW like “what in the back to the future is this shit”
- think leia, han, chewie, and lando just fucking around trying to keep the world from going to shit
- and theres SO MUCH CHAOS.
- leia’s trying to bullshit her way through why she looks so much like padme, with anakins temper, but is also weirdly, intimately familiar with alderaan and its customs
- even though bail organa has no idea who this spicy feral politician child is or why she started crying when she first saw him
- leia also probably has to be physically restrained the first time she sees anakin
- han somehow gets tangled up with Young Boba Fett and that’s a whole issue- theres lot of explosions
- (he probably stops that whole deal with the child trafficking and gets a reward from the republic or smth, which he wont stop talking about)
- chewie finds ahsoka, somehow, and she recognizes him and is like “YOOO WHAT UP ITS MY HUNGER GAMES BUDDY”
- and chewie is now hanging out with a teenager who thinks they met last week when really for him it was like 20 years ago.
- this is how they meet up with the jedi and co.
- and its awkward
- leia is standing there seething, things floating in the air around her and she wont stop giving anakin the stink eye
- while han (who is currently trying to mingle with the young version of that old dude luke was super attached to, so please dont ruin it, leia) just fake laughs and wraps his arm around her and whispers sweet nothings in her ear
- chewie is having a blast freaking out the clones by just randomly roaring in their ears as they walk by
- rex is ready to curl up in a ball because now his ship is even more chaotic
- lando flirts with every jedi he meets Just Because
- they tagged along to fight w the clones and jedi in a battle because what else do they have to do
- and everyone is expecting them to all get killed because, i mean, have you met them?
- and this little ragtag group ends up CARRYING the battle and its over very quickly
- they decided to use Espionage and Sneaking to break into the separatist base and destroy it
- chewie probably vaulted leia over a wall and she just fucked shit up
- later, anakin offhandedly mentions palpatine and leia blurts out “if i see that old raisin, its on sight” and everyone is like o.O
- luke is in the future wondering how THE FUCK hes supposed to fix this
i love the sentence “you never would have made it as obi wans padawan” simply for the absolute buffoonery in it.
like
YOU
^^ YOU
ANAKIN SKYWALKER
y o u
this man above, the biggest absolute fucking GOOF,
was obi wans padawan.
if anything, ahsoka would have been a fucking walk in the fucking room of a thousand fountains compared to anakins winging it like hes captain kirk and jack sparrows idiot love child of death type of living
Anakin Skywalker follows the great tradition set by LoTR men of being emotional and affectionate with people he loves, which a) annoys toxic insecure fanboys and makes them hate him for simply showing emotion and not being this cool tough dude every male hero must be, and b) is what makes the transfer to Darth Vader so horrifying
Anakin Skywalker & Ahsoka Tano
“And then [Ahsoka] forgot about the people, because there he was, beside a ruined shield generator. Anakin. Bloody, sweaty, and still alive. He was fighting back-to-back with Master Kenobi and Taria, and stamped in their faces was a grim, desperate determination and a shared extremity of pain. A ring of droids surrounded them, moving in for the kill. Ahsoka felt her lips peel back in a snarl I don’t think so, you clanking barves. Not today. Not ever. […] The look on Anakin’s face, when he saw her, was the only reward she’d ever need. Karen Miller’s Clone Wars Gambit: Siege
The earth was covered in shrapnel, and so was her heart. The moon where they crashed was deserted and silent, motionless but for thin streaks of grey smoke still swirling up from the venator’s remains. And in front of it was a graveyard.
Soldiers at war never get the privilege of being buried. They are left where they died, nobly or not, it doesn’t matter. They get eaten by wild animals and birds peck at their mindless eyes, they rot into the dirt, into the water, into the sand, until nothing but the bones remains. They freeze inside of their armour or steam alive, depending on where they died. Some get burned by kind natives, some are left naked by thieves, some are forgotten forever. And almost none get to know the comfort of the endless sleep under the gentle weight of the earth. It doesn’t cradle them, it doesn’t protect them, instead, it eats them, slowly but persistently.
Ahsoka had always thought that this was unfair. That all of her good friends who died not by being exploded into a billion tiny bits deserved a quiet end. Jedi were almost always cremated, for Jedi lives and legacy was valued. Despite them being ten thousand, they were still rare, compared to the clones, whose numbers counted millions upon millions. Clones weren’t valued, not by most, and their brave sacrifice wasn’t even deemed necessary to appreciate by the Republic. But while senators made snarky remarks about these men being created for the sole purpose of dying, each and every death tore a piece out of every padawan’s heart. When your friend dies, you don’t care much if he’s a Jedi, a clone or a senator. At that moment, when life leaves his body, when with his last whisper he lets out a hopeless “I’m sorry,” nothing like that even races through your agony-embraced mind.
I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m sorry
The senators’ words make perfect sense, you think afterwards. But in the midst of battle, during those short seconds when you actually get to see your friend off, and not just feel his breathless body fall at your feet, they seem absurd.
It doesn’t matter now. The senators turned out to be more right than they could ever have imagined. In the end, the clones die. Not nobly, not bravely, not even sanely. They just die. And the Jedi die with them.
This time, she decided, she’d give her friends what she couldn’t to the others. This time the senators can be screwed, for they will never be here. They never have been. They aren’t here now.
You find every single body. Every single broken, dead body with your face on their dirty helms. You haven’t even noticed it while they were trying to kill you. You do now. You know that the memory of your own face hunting you down, lying dead and beaten and betrayed at your feet, will haunt you forever.
You bury every single clone. You take each helm off and gaze shortly into the identical faces. There is nothing but numbness on them, and nothing but bloody bruises in your heart. It’s sliced to pieces. It bleeds all the blood these troopers don’t.
You put all the helms above every grave. You dig into the cold dead earth, trying to bury your grief with your friends, but it won’t go. The grief is to stay forever, as well as loss.
You’re suddenly happy for all the clones who died before this day. At least they thought they died for a noble cause. At least they could think of something while dying.
Then, you say goodbye.
Goodbye to your past
Goodbye to happiness
Goodbye to freedom
Goodbye to the clones, to the Jedi, to war, to victory, to love and to friendship
Goodbye to your war-scarred childhood
You leave a part of yourself with the clones too. You leave them your lightsabers. You don’t want them anyway, and with them a part of you shall also know their peace.
Did The Jedi Commit War Crimes?
There’s been an idea going around that the Jedi were war criminals, and it makes me wonder if some of these people have ever read the Geneva Convention.
My implication here, of course, is that the Jedi were not war criminals. In this post, I will be going through some of the instances people point to when they say the Jedi were war criminals, and checking them against the Geneva Convention to see if they count as war crimes.
Warning: A long post under the break. Also anti-Palpatine views.
I think it’s worth adding that Palpatine had exactly as much intention of letting the Jedi go at the end of the war as he did of letting the Clones go at the end of the war:
Zero.
Republic Chancellor Sheev “Darth Sidious” Palpatine intended for the end-state to be every single Jedi dead, down to the last child, and every single Clone mind controlled or dead.
It was the reason he orchestrated the war – the reason he ordered Count Dooku of Serenno (leader of the Separatists) to start the war.
Am I really having to write a post explaining the concept of personal responsbility and legal responsibility to these children?
Yes, I am.
Because once again some bright spark is whingeing because someone was horrid and said the Jedi commited war crimes, and thier tiny brain is unable to cope with the idea of the “good guys” actually being capable of morally questionable actions.
The truly priceless line has to be this one:
“Have they not read the Geneva Convention?”
Following which the OP launches into a prolonged and inane rant which reveals his own lack of knowledge of the law, warfare, and the GC.
About how war crimes aren’t actually war crimes if the good guys do it.
Ths Sith made them do it. So it also doesn’t count.
They didn’t enslave the slaves, so it doesn’t count.
He didn’t say “I surrender” so it doesn’t count.
OP places disclaimer at the end of the post.
“I also have not read the GC, I just did 5 minutes internet research and read the Wikipedia page on War Crimes.”
Well, that at least explains the nonsensical conclusions made in this post.
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Sometimes i wonder if these people are for real. If you’re going to argue a case, at very least READ the documents people are referring to. Or find out about the laws in question.
You know what? In an actual Human Rights court or War Crimes Trial in the Hague not one of the Jedi Apologists arguments would hold up.
“The Sith made them do it. Palpatine ordered it, so they’re not to blame!”
isn’t an argument that any court would accept.
If one actually researches the trials of actual, real war criminals of the past, you will find many of them tried to make the argument that they were “just following orders”. That is wasn;t their fault and someone “made them do it!.
There is a very good reason why the concept of individual responsibility and agency exists in law. It’s because of people like this.
If an American solider commits a war crime, its not the President of the United States who holds responsibility for that act. Its the soldier.
if a British soldier commits a War Crime, its not the Queen’s’ fault. Its his own.
He made that choice, he fired that gun, he gave that order, he took part in that action of his own volition as a free person.
If the Americans put slaves on the battefield in the War of Independence, it was the reasponsility of the US armed forces. Not the people who bought or owned the slaves, but the people who wanted them to fight.
if I used a slave on my plantation, it doesn’t matter who bought them, or who owned them. I am still complicit in slavery.
"Oh well we’re not sure of the Clone Troopers status in canon!”
Yes.
We are.
We are sure from the moment that scene in Season 6 was made when Shaak Ti and the Kaminoan scientist were arguing about who Fives and the other other Clone Troopers were the PROPERTY of.
A person who is property is a slave. No ifs. No buts.
Its really not ambigous.
This really isn’t hard.
It doesn’t matter who the Clone Troopers were the formal property of. The Jedi used them in warfare. They were complicit in the creation of the Clone Army, and the enabling of slavery by this fact alone.
No cries of “but they treated the Clones well!” exonerates them. Who the **** cares if I treat slaves well? I am still a slave holder if I own another human as property.
You can scream about them “having no choice” until you are blue in the face. You can scream about them being “created by the Sith” until you are blue in the face.
“Oh its not my fault, Your Honour! The government MADE me take all those slaves! I had no choice! If I didn’t do it, someone else would take them, or our country would fall to people who held slaves!”
The other reason why documentsd like the GC exist is because every single person is held accountable under the law. The same law, regardless of affliation or nation.
So people cannot cry:
“It’s not wrong if we do it!”
“We won the war, so its not really a war crime!”
“We’re the good guys, so its not really a war crime!”
And other such myopic, self-serving nonsense. Guess what? The Americans can and have commited war crimes. The Allies can and have commited war crimes, as did the bad guys.
The “child soldiers” argument is one that I’ve heard many times and is easily refuted. If we accept that A Galaxy Far Far Away has different norms, rules and customs, if we accept that children and young people had different roles even in the historical past in our world.
Then what is the basis for continally screeching about “genocide” and “fascism!” on the part of Jedi Apologists?
“Genocide” is as much of a modern idea as banning under 15s from active combat. A few centuries ago, such things were normal conduct in wartime across the world. “Fascism” is also a 20th century phenomena. As recently as the 19th century there was barely such a concept as racism, or the notion that it was in any way wrong.
So it would seem “don’t judge the past by modern standards” is a concept applied only selectively. Just like war crimes.
The only thing I disagree with is your last argument. The terms “genocide” and “fascism” and “racism” are names for things that just exist, no matter when or where. They are words that have a specific meaning to describe something. Racism was racism three hundred years ago. Saying that Anakin committed genocide is stating a fact.
The Geneva Convention, the concept of war crimes is an entirely different thing. We created them according to our history, our perception of morality and even our biological structure. A thing is a war crime only from our point of view right now. It was not a war crime three hundred years ago, if we’re talking about facts, not morality. War crimes are violations of rules of war that we created, genocide describes a concept. The things that we now consider war crimes are not war crimes everywhere else or sometime else. So the concept of a galaxy far far away having different things considered war crimes than our world is valid.
So while Anakin might have committed genocide, and we do see it as a bad thing because it is, the Jedi may or may not have committed war crimes, depending on how you chose to perceive Star Wars.
I have Maul in custody. I will escort Commander Rex when he delivers him to Coruscant.
It is the Council’s opinion that padawan Ahsoka Tano has committed sedition against the Republic, and thus, she will be expelled from the Jedi Order.
That last GIF.
That isn’t the expression of a man in sad agreement with his colleagues. That is a man going “Wait, WHAT? I was not told about this! What is this bullshit?!”
BULL. SHIT.
We don’t see the proceedings of the Council, but we do see who visits Ahsoka after she is kicked out. Obi-Wan is not one of those people. A vote, especially when you are outnumbered and know it, doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot in comparison to visiting a friend, comforting them, and fighting to find the true killer.
He didn’t do any of that, so I don’t particularly care what he voted. He didn’t help exonerate Ahsoka and he never visited her and he never apologized before her name was cleared. Who doesn’t love the support and apology of someone who waited around for others to actually help you first?
And you know what? I’m on board with Obi-Wan feeling guilty about this. I’m not saying he looks happy in this gif. I’m saying that he, like everyone on the Council, prioritized THE COUNCIL over the individual needs of a Jedi. Because that’s what Jedi DO. But if we are going to turn around and make it about the relationships that Ahsoka had with these men – and yeah, Plo, you’re not off the hook – then what these episodes tell us is that those relationship were not, and could never be, priorities to Obi-Wan or Plo. It is Anakin’s downfall that he is the kind of person who would never put the Order before a relationship, right or wrong. That Obi-Wan and Plo would prioritize the Order (it’s authority and it’s current theology), even when wrong, is the downfall of those relationships.
There is a cost to being a good Jedi and there is no wiggle room. Obi-Wan knows he can’t support Ahsoka and be a good Jedi. Justice alone should be enough, an apology should be enough, and if it’s not – well, remember who it is on Utapau who blamed Ahsoka by saying emotion clouded her judgment? Yep. That was Obi-Wan.
Exactly.
Obi-Wan felt guilty but he didn’t do a thing to try and help Ahsoka after she’d been arrested. But in that last gif might have he thought of Anakin? What it would’ve felt like if Anakin had been taken away from him that way?
And then it happens.
That’s what I find fascinating about the prequels. About Clone Wars. The Jedi payed for their mistakes. We see them clearly in the Clone Wars, and then Anakin’s fall doesn’t look so irrational anymore, but then no matter how many mistakes Obi-Wan made, how can you not feel sorry for him in the end?
Star Wars is so not-black-and-white, so complicated, it drives me crazy.
Can we please talk about the fact that one of the saddest Star Wars scenes has no dialogue in it whatsoever??