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the Uchiha are mental ill and their mental problems is genetically evil, and pass from gen to gen. Why should we care about people the world is better off without them. Who knows what they would do if people let them live between them. If you flipped the scenarios they could be capable of terrible things, just like the Sayians. They're problematic and always have kind of blood lust. Based on their mental illness they could be dangerous and not to be trusted.

Did you listen yourself??

This is why Naruto is evil and shouldn’t be read by kids. It tells kids some groups are genetically evil, and we should kill all of them. It dehumanises and demonises people as a group and advocates genocides. Kishimoto deserves all the hate he gets, he’s fucked up in the mind, his views and values are ugly. 

Everyone is capable of terrible things, you’re capable of terrible things too, do you want to get locked up for what you MIGHT do but didn’t do? or get executed cos your family has a history of mental illness?

Er…I don’t know what you’re talking about, Toriyama never justified Freiza for exterminated the whole saiyan race .

Itachistans are making memes about how Itachi deserves to be happy and that he is the greatest shinobi ever.

He probably is the greatest shinobi if you consider his kill count and his retarded loyalty to the village. After all shinobi, by definition, is just tool to their village, and they’re only good for one thing: Violence.

If Itachi deserved to be alive, Danzo deserved immortality. Danzo was the one who ordered the massacre, he should take the majority of the credits. Danzo would’ve done it with ANBU even if Itachi refused the mission anyway, Itachi only made Danzo’s life a bit easier. If people considered Itachi was right and “did what had to be done”, Danzo should be their god.

Let’s be real, it’s not like this fandom genuinely cares what’s right and what’s “necessary”.  Their hypocrisy concerning Danzo and Itachi showed they cared little about the characters’ actions and their reasoning and logic, they only like Itachi cos the narratives wanks him. People are so easy to please, these days if you make a character dispense a few stupid lines to glorify another character, it counts as “character writing” -_-

Why do people consider Hinata sweet and compassionate just because she's shy and quiet? Like who has she shown any amount of kindness and concern to other than Naruto? Sakura, for all her MANY faults, at least shows some consideration and compassion towards others when she needs to. Hinata just continually ignores everyone around her and only focuses on obsessing over Naruto.

I hate this stereotype too, people assume quiet people are timid and nice, cos since they don’t talk much, they hardly say anything disagreeable. Some people who perpetuate this stereotype act like they’re being white knight to misunderstood introverts, they’re just judging people based on stereotypes. It’s annoying and biased af tbh. It’s like assuming people who’re loud are usually rude and pushy. If you judge Hinata on her actions, there’s nothing nice or kind about her. 90% of her actions are just fangirling on Naruto, they’re selfish. 

Some Hinata fuckboys think she’s nice because she would literally die for naruto. That’s selfish obsession not kindness. These men jfc, all they want to see from a woman is dedication to a man, and that’s “kindness“ to them. That’s the only fking criterion they use to judge women, is this chick a loyal doormat to her man. It’s disgusting. They don’t judge men in the same way, I’ve never seen dudes calling sanji kind and sweet for his worshiping of women, most dudes laugh at him.

Aren't you miserable. Why are you putting deep/personal thoughts on drawn people and on a fiction story.

I spit my tea at this. Anon, you’re basically saying the entire discipline of literature and art is supposed to be shallow, we should switch off our brain when we read a fiction or look at a painting. We shouldn’t have any personal thought about them. Btw, are you american?

If you think I’m miserable, what the fuck do you think the entire naruto fandom is doing? they’re making fanart, AU, fanfic, roleplay, ship dedicated blogs on a FICTION AND DRAWN PEOPLE, that gotta be beyond miserable to you right? 

It is ridiculous how "acknowledging Naruto" has become some sort of currency in the series. Characters are rated by how "first" they were to see Naruto as someone special. It is so very important how close they stand to him in the picture when he recalls all his bonds. If a person noticed him earlier, then he is better\more influential\more important. If a character has to be elevated, he is given a scene of how he was there even earlier in Naruto’s past. (1\3)

Also, NS used to write big meta about Sakura acknowledging Naruto was a monumental character development for her. I’m just like it’s bound to happen at some point, this series is about naruto collecting acknowledgement for himself. 

You’re right, the fandom have turned this into a competition about who gave naruto acknowledgment first. Why’re you folks so desperate to see your fav become a naruto stan? 

I agree being first doesn’t equate to being better or more important. It’s equally likely people you meet later in life can provide more fulfilling relationship. Who cares who’s there first??

I’d also like to add Kishimoto has turned “acknowledgment” into sorta a equivalent of love in this series. But admiration isn’t love. I can understand why Kishimoto would confuse the two, his hunger for validation from others is far more intense than other kinda emotional attachment he has with people, so he thinks this is “bond” and love.

This fandom have written some really long and often bogus meta about ships and “healthy” relationship, but I’ve yet to seen a serious meta about how problematic is the idea that you have to acknowledge a person in order to be precious to them. You can literally shut down NH’s argument by saying admiration isn’t love, but most of the shippers can’t do that cos Kishimoto’s stupid idea about acknowledgement and love is found in every ship involving naruto. 

Do you have friends who read naruto? and friends whose views on the series clash with you? I'm finding it very hard to restraint myself from arguing with my friends who think they know the series but actually know jackshit, and can't even name all the akatsuki -_-

Friends in real life? no…they’re all into kpop. Naruto isn’t popular here anyway. My friends probably couldn’t even get through 3 episodes even if they gave it a go, they hate “poor orphan” stories.

I’m actually surprised so many people argue about ships in the west with their real life friends. Like people got bullied over ships in at school, like ships have become an identity, a groupie? They’re freaking rabid and competitive like football fans. I find it hilarious.

I’m under the impression that most ss and nh these days never even read half of the series. They just repeat what big blogs in their own ship’s fandom write, they thought fandom meta was what actually happened in the manga, cos they never read the manga.

I hate how the fandom pretend Hinata has real social anxiety and it makes her a better character than sakura. Her shyness is fetishized quirks to appeal to certain subset of fans, she doesn't have social anxiety. Stop giving fake mental problems to characters and making them a mascot for your tumblr activism.

I‘m really annoyed even some anti think she’s a better character cos she’s shy too. Why are shy characters better? even when her shyness doesn’t add shit substance to her character??

If this fandom cares about mental illness, why was there no outrage over the fact Kishimoto portrayed mental problems as genetically evil?? The pro ending folks actually support the uchiha extermination cos they’re mentally ill. Where’s their outrage when this series justifies the practice of sealing bijuus by telling the jinchuuriki to deal with the emotional and psychological toll themselves? These people gotta be trolling.. they’re the same people who don’t give a shit about characters who actually appear to be mentally traumatized. And they think we should care about Hinata’s “shyness”….

Iirc, when Danzo and Itachi planned the massacre, it was never stated how much time they had before the Uchihas intended to stage the coup. Was the threat imminent or not? Sarutobi thought he could still negotiate with them, meaning they were probably still in the planning stages, and he didn't rush to do it (Itachi had time to find Obito, make a deal with him, and carry out the massacre, all before Sarutobi could meet with the clan), meaning they were probably in the early planning stages [1]

I’m not sure if these people watch international news tbh. Even if you show them how wrong this is compared to similar events in the real world, they would just hide behind the “you’re stupid if you compare fiction to the real world” argument. They’ve already made up their mind they need to support the ideology in this series otherwise they can’t enjoy the story. Their favs are on Konoha’s side, to critique the will of fire propaganda is to reject their favourite characters. This is especially true for Itachi fans.

Yeah I agree people who’re defending Konoha are buying into Kishi’s propaganda. This fandom are outraged Sasuke left the village, they said he betrayed the village. Some people argued he just left why is it such a big deal? and the pro Konoha people are like “but in this series, loyalty to your village is a big deal”.  They just blindly accept whatever values and morals the series feeds them.  If this series said Hitler is a hero, they’d accept it too. And I’ve seen some very frustrated Itachi fans, lacking any real counter argument against anti, fell back on argument like “read the manga again, it says the massacre was the right thing to do!”. They just don’t get it. We don’t have to accept the writer’s views, everything in a story can be put under scrutiny, can be rejected. 

Yeah, I think the Konoha government were probably like “holy shit, the uchiha started to think and have ideas, they’re figuring out our policy is bad for them. They don’t buy the propaganda anymore.” I think the rebels are usually the sane ones e.g. Uchiha, Neji, they know bullshit when they see it. Kakashi and Itachi were brainwashed fools.

I just saw a Itachi and Ace comparison again, I got fucking triggered man. Do people not realise Ace is like the Uchiha, he’s hunted and killed by the world government for his lineage, because his father was an enemy of the world government, just like many of the uchiha were assumed to be a threat because Madara turned against the village. Ace was assumed to be guilty by association just like the uchiha killed in the massacre. Ace would’ve loathed Itachi, stop fucking putting them together. ewwwk.

Pro's act as if hating on fiction is a new thing but look at Twilight or 50sog and are surprised when people hate on Naruto or do they expect everyone to worship Naruto?They say Anti should get over Naruto ending but they fail to get over us Antis.

Which is the proof they’re salty. They can’t take people not having the same opinion as them. Honestly, all works of fiction get criticized, even fanfictions are, so why complain? Also why not stay in their own tags? They don’t like Antis, okay we get it, so why do you go to our tags and blogs and keep whining to us about it? Do they think it’ll change /anything/? They should just enjoy their “canon” in their own tags and leave us alone. Debate is okay but often, the Itachi and SS fans I interact with, whether here or elsewhere, starts screaming at me after 2 minutes of conversation. Like I’m sorry, but saying Itachi cried won’t make me change my opinion on him, I still think he’s wrong to commit a genocide, his sob story don’t erase the lives he destroyed. And no, a forehead poke isn’t the ultimate expression of love, or else it makes ItaSasu the canon ship of the series, nor does it erase all the negative and lack of development of the ship.

You also fail to be polite and/or considerate of those SS shippers who are constantly subjected to "logical" arguments by anti-ending/SK/SN/NS blogs. You could have all the proof in the world and we could have Kishi spelling it out who is the real mom. But ppl like you and the rest of your "logical" cross tagging friends have ruined a place where non bullying SS shippers try to spend free time/bond. EVERY time I log in someone feels like shoving their "proof" of why I am wrong down my throat.

I’m not responsible of the behavior of every single anti in the fandom, no need to complain to me. Personally, I only got three SS shippers and I was polite with all of them, besides the first who actually was rude to me. And I never reblog from SS blogs or go to their tags, where did you see that? They’re the ones coming in the anti tags and blogs whining.

Also, my friend didn’t cross-tag and did use logical arguments, like it or not. Plus, this fandom don’t belong to SS fans, they already have their own tags, we ruined nothing, what’s your problem? You want all of us gone or what?

Your problem. Just black list the “anti sasusaku” tag and unfollow the blogs who post it, why are you complaining to me? 

Also you’re generalizing here. Only a few actually do that, I personally never saw an anti in pros tags/blogs. Maybe cause I actually stick to my OWN tags.

It's sad the Naruto ending was just about ships and most people only talk about that but forget stuff like the Hyuuga slavery,Orochimaru,Uchiha massacre,Danzo's Root,using child soldiers,Nagato's village and so on.Like there's more to life than ships

A lot of people only focus on their ships instead of the actual plot and themes of a series. I don’t mind shipping, hell, I got a few Naruto ships, and others in other fandoms, but why only care about the romantic subplot? Especially that it’s not a shojo. There is much more interesting things than just this. I honestly find all of the elements you brought up, plus Akatsuki and the Warring States Era and the Founder Era, and basically EVERYTHING besides romance interesting and full of potential. The panels Kishi wasted on wanking Itachi/Naruto and the spin-offs that only focus on the brats just a waste. It could’ve been used to develop the world building. I want to see more of the Shinobi World, the point of view of civilians, how exactly Root function, the Daimyos and Feudal Lords being present and then, in the end, everyone working to change the shinobi system.

I’ll take NH as an example. I used to ship it, believing that with development (both the ship and Hinata), it could work out. I wanted to see Hinata grow and become a strong woman who will become co-leader with Neji and stop the slavery, while supporting Naruto who, with the help of Sasuke and his friends, will change the world. But the other shippers only cared about Naruto fucking Hinata and after the ending, I gave up on it. Shippers usually wear pink goggles and refuse to accept reality. They only care about their stupid OTP becoming canon and don’t give a damn about the plot nor the characters. Of course there is exceptions, but most are like that, as you can see. Another example is Tobirama. When I gave a look to his fanbase (I’m a fan but I refuse to have anything to do with his fanboys and fangirls), instead of heavy analysis of how complex and realistic his character is, I found stupid fur collar jokes, sass (he IS badass and sassy but why focus on just that?), fanboys getting whiny about his haters and generally completly overlook his flaws and even his qualities, only focusing on why the hell he wasn’t married and how innocent he is from all blame. I don’t like when people act like he’s the root f all evil, cause he’s not, he has his faults but he isn’t responsible of everything bad in the shinobi world, but completly whitewashing him? Saying he did nothing wrong? Exaggerating his paranoia over the Uchiha? Completly misunderstanding his personality? Hell, this is an insult to his character and I avoid his fans’ side as much as his haters’ side.

In short, I think people should stop getting so delusional and butthurt over their ships and focus more on the actual story, especially when the series ISN’T a romance. 

I am pro-Naruto and pro-ending, but thank you for this blog. I hate the fandom. It's refreshing to see someone pointing out the characters' and Kishimoto's writing flaws fairly. Like i like Naruto, but this fandom pretends he - or at least pre-ending he was an angel - like I like him coz he's an ass lol. And too much glorying on dead characters. And biased shipping wars. And other things that i cant say in an ask. Just glad to read some of your points actually. :)

I think Naruto Uzumaki’s fanbase kinda take it as a given that Naruto is an angel because he’s the hero in the story. But if you ask them exactly what qualities make him an angel, they either totally ignore most of his actions except the bits where he beat the bad guys physically, or they make this particular argument I find very problematic:

Their argument basically says he’s hated by the village, he could’ve killed all of them, but instead he saved them whenever the village was attacked. Therefore, he’s an angel cos he rose above his hatred.

I don’t know if all the villagers secretly hated him or not, but they’d never tried to physically hurt him or harassed him. The villagers didn’t deserve to be harmed, let alone being murdered by naruto, it’s not justified. Naruto restrained himself from committing a mass murder vendetta over “being hated” is not some angelic behavior. It’s not altruism, or some selfless sacrifice, he’s just being reasonable and not crazy. 

I sometimes see people say “If you were him, you would want to kill all of them too”. NO, you’re just self projecting. Most people are not that crazy, most people don’t think “They hate me!!” justifies murder. Most people know “my feelings” isn’t the centre of the world’s moral universe. His emotions might be understandable, but the hypothetical murderous response from those emotions are not justified.

The most you can say about Naruto in this aspect is he conquered his personal hatred. But an angel? come on…..Actually I don’t think it’d be a problem even if he didn’t conquer his hatred, he had every right to hate whoever for whatever reason, but he had no right to kill them.

I usually prefer assholes characters too, but I can’t stand naruto especially in part 2. To me, it feels like he has no self awareness of his own flaws except that one time he admitted he’s jealous in part 1 in the last fight. I honestly think that’s one of the few better moments of his character.

Don't you just hate it when you present Naruhina with cold,hard facts from the manga but they just dismiss it as opinion?

I personally never interacted with NH fans post-ending, I generally avoid their side and they seem to ignore me as well. However I did come across SS fans and Itachi fans and they like to twist facts, ignore my arguments and generally dismiss my opinion and attack me. Based on other blogs and friends experience, it seems NH is the same. It does frustrates me but you know what? They attack you and dismiss your opinion because they’re insecure, has nothing to defend themselves and deep inside they KNOW you ARE right but prefers to wear pink goggles and be delusional to protect themselves from the truth.

DEAR GOD I now understand your struggle. All I said was "Itachi was not good" in a comment section and I got bombarded by his stans. There was "Itachi was hella good. He killed the clan by the orders of the elders and he spared Sasuke and apologized to his parents" and "He did it to protect the village" Fucking nasty people trying to promote genocide.

Next time you see them, just tell them Nagato did it to protect everyone from Shinobi, he did it not because he’s ordered to, he did it for peace for everyone, not just Konoha. And fuck Naruto and Konoha for foiling Nagato’s attempt at making peace happen. And fuck Itachi for being small minded and never cared about peace for other people who’re not konoha.

I feel sorry for Itachi and his fans, he’s still an underachiever even if you do try to go along with his fanboys’ arguments and look at him as some tragic hero who tried to murder his way to enforce “peace”.