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Tywin Lannister's greatest trick was convincing everyone he was more clever than he actually was.

People are still quoting him in this as if it's a great question and he was in the right.

Except people forget, Tywin Lannister convinced people to forget -

They didn't just kill a dozen men at dinner.

Yes, they killed the wedding party, but everyone forgets that Robb Stark had a third of his army at the Twins with him that the Frey's and the Bolton's slaughtered.

Tywin didn't choose between killing a dozen men at dinner or 10,000 in battle, he did both.

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slymreddwyne

Yeah if ASoS taught us anything, it's that Tywin Lannister, in the end, was full of shit.

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plavoptice

AFFC really gets into this with Jaime and the show missed out, where Jaime is patrolling the Riverlands - ravaged by Tywin’s armies, and run by his mercenaries - and Jaime realizes just how difficult it’s going to be to undo all the harm Tywin did in terms of ruling from here on out (dealing with corruption and abusive lords, establishing RULE OF LAW, rebuilding trust with the peasant class, etc). Even from a practical, non moralist perspective, Tywin was not a good ruler, he was a destabilizer. He talks a big game about legacy but his major legacy was death and his family has fallen apart and it’s called A Feast for Crows like his father’s legacy is the dead on the battlefield and how the carrion must love him like

Tywin thought he was smart but he was just ruthless. They’re not mutually exclusive but they’re also not the same.

tywin's genius is perfectly summarised by his first scene from the show.

"a lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of the sheep. [...] every day that he (tyrion) remains a prisoner, the less our name commands respect."

"so the lion does concern himself with the opinion of the sheep-"

"that's not an opinion, that's a fact!"

bro. That's a fact ABOUT an OPINION. it shows that there's no lions in westerlands because if the guy knew anything about them he'd know that the leader of the pack is just a display, held there by a social structure. the lionesses can throw him out and replace him if they want, he cannot get himself food alone, he'd starve to death. he needs them, they just need his niche. his life depends on prancing around and measuring how much force he can use to intimidate others but not piss them off enough they test his bluff. tywin this is not a metaphor you wanna use in this situation.

That being said, yeah, with typical lannister self-awareness he doesn't know he ain't the main character of the world and no matter how many times he talks about other people being sheep to his lion, he's a part of a pack called society. there are consequences and they came in the shape of your pissed off son.

In short - golden grandpa is a fraud and a hypocrite.

Here's a thought I've had for while: Tywin wasn’t as good of a military leader as his reputation suggests. "Tywin thought he was smart but he was just ruthless. They’re not mutually exclusive but they’re also not the same." is a great summary of his military record. Everyone talks like he's a war commander who's impossible to beat, but let's look at his record:

  • The Reyne Rebellion- Tywin didn't show any strategic brilliance; he just went scorched earth on a couple of rebellious houses who thought they'd be able to cow his father into submission. They didn't really fight because they didn't expect their lords heir to show no mercy.
  • Robert's Rebellion- obviously he sat most of it out, and his only major action (the Sack of King's Landing) was a success because he falsely claimed he'd come in peace, and because he had a crony (Pycelle) in Aerys' inner circle. And lest we forget the blunder of sending two utter madmen to kill Rhaegar's children, who made an utter spectacle of it and earned House Martell's enmity for decades.
  • Greyjoy Rebellion- got trounced when the Greyjoy brothers burned his fleet at anchor, and had no further notable contributions in the war (Stannis beat the Ironborn at sea, and Robert and Ned ended it at Pyke).

And then there's Tywin's performance in the War of the Five King's:

  • Robb ran rings around him all through their campaign in the Riverlands/Westerlands. Sure Tywin scored some early hits (mostly in the early phases before Ned Stark was executed), but once Robb liberated Riverrun Tywin's forces never won a significant battle. Oh to be sure, he had some success (mostly his failure to cross the Ruby Ford allowing him to redirect to the Blackwater), but most of these are due to others actions/blunders, not Tywin's brilliance.
  • The Battle of the Blackwater- sure it was a massive victory, but it wasn't due to Tywin. It was because Edmure stopped him at the Ruby Ford, just in time for him to instead rendezvous with the Tyrell army (an alliance forged by Tyrion and Littlefinger) and catch Stannis completely off-guard. Not strategic brilliance, just luck and the actions of others.
  • And of course the Red Wedding, which as already mentioned wasn't a clever victory but a massacre that relied on breaking some of the most sacred rules in Westerosi society. And as AFfC/ADwD shows, long-term it only inflamed hearts against House Lannister.

In conclusion, Tywin's military prowess relies on one key factor: overwhelming brute force and a complete disregard for the traditional standards of warfare. Which, as shown in the series, gets a short term victory but leads to massive problems down the track. His legacy is death and vengeance.

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Dr. Gachey with foxglove, 1890

Some of Van Gogh’s best work was done during a period of his life that he spent in a hospital being treated for his mental health problems. I could be wrong but I think Starry Night was among those.

This is consistently the case. Creators tend to do their best work when they are in a healthy place and receiving proper treatment and not being self destructive in their efforts to cope. Go figure.

All our experiences, good and bad, inform what we create, but suffering is not the price of great art. Suffering is what prevents artists from completing great art.

(I bring to mind this @tkingfisher / Ursula Verson quote about once a week <3)

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