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Female/20+. Multi-Fandom but focus on Oshi no Ko, Steins;Gate, ML Sugar, and Sailor Moon.    MAL anime list: https://myanimelist.net/animelist/SailorLily MAL manga list: https://myanimelist.net/mangalist/SailorLily
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Sometimes I think about how Adrien, throughout the series, constantly grapples with his fear of abandonment. Gabriel conditioned him to believe that any love he receives is purely transactional, and that to earn affection he has to prove his utility. Adrien is constantly trying to prove his worth to his father for scraps of affection, and Chat Noir infamously crumbles on-screen any time he feels as though he is replaceable to Ladybug. It's a constant insecurity of his, like everyone will just dump him like a sack of potatoes the moment they find out how useless he is.

Meanwhile, all Marinette wants to is ensure that Adrien is happy. Because she loves him. She doesn't give two shits about how """useful""" he is. She holds him and tells him that she will never abandon him (both as Ladynoir and as Adrienette), and her fantasies are about saving him, not about him being "useful" to her. Throughout their relationship, Adrien is forced to disappoint Marinette constantly for reasons outside of his control (amok commands), and yet Marinette is still there for him.

At Adrien's lowest point, when he is forcibly torn away from everyone who had ever showed him genuine care, locked away in an all-white room and at his most "useless", right after disappointing Marinette and unable to even join the final battle or contribute in any way, she still saves him. She still loves him. Because he doesn't have to prove anything to her. Because he is loved and cherished for who he is, not for what he does, and that love is not conditional. Adrien's "happy ending" at the end of the first arc wasn't about him finally proving how useful he can be, because he never actually cared about being useful — he just saw it as the only means to feel loved and needed. Instead, in the end, he found out that he was loved and needed no matter what.

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re: that ask about people salting because Adrien's wish in jubilation was regarding romance and not something of his own - but in a way, isn't it right though? The show especially from season 4 has put Adrien in this box of 'Love interest whose existence is mainly dependent on their romance'? Adrien could've been a complex character and they could've explored his grief of his mother's death (because if she'd died a year earlier, no amount of optimism would lead him to be as cheerful - speaking as someone who has had to deal with a loss), but instead put him in this 'supporter' role. While marinette gets to have her own story and ~angst about her guardianship and her ~ trauma Adrien just...stays optimistic despite having much more serious issues and problems in his life ? And people then get mad when we get mad Adrien is being treated so badly by the narrative...Even gabriel gets treated with much more depth and care by the narrative when Adrien is the punching bag for it

Okay, life story! When my father died, I was the quickiest to mourn him. I helped out my older brother with the farm but after 6 months, I couldn't take it anymore of this routine and signed up to an university class in another region to get away and moved on. Why was it so fast for me? Because most of my mourning started when my father was still alive because he was sick (he died from an aneurysm rupture in the end, but at least it was quicker than his untreatable illness which would have been painful for him).

So, yeah, I understand Adrien, who got a sick parent before losing them. So tell me, Anon, am I -- or anyone -- an inhuman person to you because I don't want my father back even though I loved him?! No and neither is Adrien.

Because there is no typical mourning process. It's not a set amount of time then you are done. Some will go through it in a few months. Some will be mourning for several years. And it will be different between each members of the same family (and I speak from experience too).

Heck people can still be missing their dead love ones but still have the right to laugh during the process!

Adrien has done his mourning process and is trying to live his life. And new episode Passion also showed us it was also his mother's wish for him and Gabriel. Because she accepted she was going to die and wanted both of them to still find hapiness.

Unlike Gabriel, Adrien has moved on, but right now, the kid is rather inexperience in life. He is barely starting to define himself because, NEWSFLASH, not only has he lost his mother, but he is an abused child whose parent decided in his place what was best for him for years and were overprotective and didn't allow him the liberty to be himself. Adrien said it himself, as a kid, he wanted to be what his parents wanted him to be and never question what he truly wanted himself until recently (Wishmaker). Adrien has started to affirm himself, make life experiences and slowly gain independance outside the familial cell. Of course he has no clear idea.

So, of course Adrien can feel like a blank canvas at time, he is just starting to figure himself out! But since S1, we do know what he likes and what doesn't. He doesn't like to be a model. He was doing it initially to please his father. He is selfless and likes to please others. He has immense empathy. He loves to have fun. He makes puns. He hates lies. He doesn't want to travel the world. He wants to be with his friends, but above all, he wants an happy life with the person he loves. See? He is not a wax statue. He is a fictional character in a story build around a romance and going through a coming of age.

Finally, there is nothing wrong for Adrien to long for love, warmth and a family of his own in his life, especially after lacking it for a while. Heck, if he were to decide to be a homemaker as his civilian occupation, would that offense you? There are women who despite having all opportunities to take any career choose to stay at home. Not because it is expected out of them, but because they want to be there for their kid. Just like there are people who are satisfied to just have a normal job instead of being a CEO or something.

So, it isn't weird if a fictional character and a male one at that become like this.

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So many parts of this ask hurt my brain 😭

“The show especially from season 4 has put Adrien in this box of 'Love interest whose existence is mainly dependent on their romance'?

Season 4 had a focus on Adrien trying to understand himself better, which was emphasized especially in Lies, Wishmaker, and Kuro Neko (which imo, is one of his best episodes)/

“While marinette gets to have her own story and ~angst about her guardianship and her“

This implies that Adrien has no storyline or angst, which is frankly not even true? If anything, throughout all 5 seasons, he’s had the most scenes filled with substance out of all the characters in this show. 

“And people then get mad when we get mad Adrien is being treated so badly by the narrative...Even gabriel gets treated with much more depth and care by the narrative when Adrien is the punching bag for it“

The whole point is that Gabriel refuses to move on to the point that he’s practically insane. Adrien isn’t like his father in that he thinks about her a lot and her absence has affected him, but he’s willing to move forward in life which is in character and also healthy. The episode Felix especially shows this when Adrien suggests for Nathalie to become a part of their family, while Gabriel blows up at the idea of Adrien being okay at having someone fill Emilie’s role. 

I feel like these people just want a storyline where the person can’t move on from the grief of losing their parent and it constantly weighs them down. Which, they should probably seek that out in a character that is actually written to have that character arc, rather than trying to find it in a character that’s trying to figure themselves out and adjust to their life without one of their parents while still being a victim of abuse by the other parent. 

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I wonder if the expectations of the ~Chloé Redemption Arc~ don’t have their roots in the fact that the people who need to think her capable of being better never get to see the most significant of Chloe’s good moments.

 - Her birthday present to Miss Bustier at the end of “Zombizou”: Only Miss Bustier knows of it

 - Her video to Adrien in “Felix”: Only Felix sees it

 - Her rejecting an akuma out of loyalty to Ladybug in “Miraculer”: Only Gabriel knows about it

 - Arguably also Sabrina’s flashbacks in “Miraculer”, but I’m not at all sure I’d count Sabrina as a reliable narrator of those

Marinette and Adrien, the ones who will need to decide if Chloé can eventually be trusted as a friend, never know about Chloé doing any of it - but the audience does. 

This is significant for two reasons: first, because in none of these instances are Chloé posing as good for an admiring audience; the first two are genuine wishes to make someone else happy, the third a moment of private grief that nobody else even knows happens. The naysayers might claim that Chloé was always horrible and her doing a nice thing once doesn’t make up for all the rest of it, but the fact that Chloé does means that pathological evil is not the cause of Chloé’s bad behaviour, and those seeds of goodness still remain - albeit unsprouted.

Second, and more importantly: When the audience knows something the heroes do not, we assume this information to be vital and we start waiting for them to discover it. We want to know their reactions, we want to see how their learning what we already know will change the story. The writers wouldn’t put that information out there for no reason; it will be relevant eventually, and we’re still waiting for that pay-off. 

Refusing us that resolution would be a breach of the unspoken narrative contract between storyteller and audience, and that, I think, is why the public is complaining.

Small correction on the first point. Both Marinette and Alya saw Chloé putting her gift on the desk. Much to Alya’s surprise while Marinette knew at this point Chloé wanted to give a birthday present to Ms Bustier. 

Still, most good things that comes out of Chloé, even if they are seldom moments, comes when the Miraculous wasn’t at stake or when Chloé wasn’t thinking about herself as a superheroine. Those are the biggest hints. 

The sole moment that appears to counter that is indeed when Chloé’s rejects the Akuma during Miraculer. But I still believe there were selfish reasons behind it. Because Chloé wants to be Queen Bee again, she wants to be exceptional and a Chosen One, and only Ladybug can give her the Miraculous at that point, but even though she is frustrated, she still believes she will get it back eventually. That’s the difference between Miraculer vs Heart Hunter. By the end of Heart Hunter, Chloé’s trust toward Ladybug has been crushed. Hawkmoth’s speech resonated with Chloé’s feelings of the situation, that Ladybug’s love was actually conditional and that her idol ignored her and threw her away. That hit Chloé’s abandonment issues. And unlike Ladybug, HM had the Bee Miraculous with him to give to her. 

Chloé’s arc with a Miraculous corrupted her instead of helping her. That was what S2-S3 was about. Chloé thought she had to have the Bee Miraculous to be someone exceptional, someone loved and admired. And because Chloé has felt she has been played, it will take a lot of time and effort for her to trust someone again and feel unconditionally loved. By the end of S3, Chloé is starting to reject anyone who could have helped her. Ladybug, Adrien, Ms Bustier will have to take a maternity leave soon so Chloé is probably feeling abandoned by her there as well, Sabrina who is slowly starting to gain her independence (New York Special, Penalteam)…

That’s why Zoé will most probably play a crucial role in Chloé’s arc over the next seasons. But so long Chloé is in cahoot with Lila, nothing good will happen.

The “problem” with Miraculous is that the writers are taking their time to develop things while juggling with several narratives at the same time. It’s not a bad thing per se, but when the audience is used for a series to wrap things quickly in 3 seasons or less or move pace to the next plotline by then, it does create a clash. Thus why some feel things have been thrown down the drain while really, the show has more of a long term vision.

Agreed with Miraculer. Chloe explicitly states her desire to be Queen Bee while resisting the akuma. It doesn’t have anything to do with her secretly having a heart of gold. The only reason she bothers giving back the bee miraculous at the end of the episode is that she believes Ladybug will eventually change her mind and realize Chloe was right all along. Chloe finally realizes this wasn’t the case in Heart Hunter and chooses to betray Ladybug. 

Majority of Chloe’s genuine moments happened before she became Queen Bee, and with the bee miraculous out of the picture, she does finally have a chance at improving herself (and I’m hoping she will). Her behavior destroyed some of her positive connections (Ladybug, Adrien) while she became closer to Lila who would just be an even more negative influence. But she has Zoe, which Marinette and Tikki hoped would help Chloe become a better person by the end of Queen Banana. I know Marinette thought the same thing about Chloe being Queen Bee and was wrong, but I think it would be really weird to have Marinette be wrong twice about Chloe redeeming herself if it was truly never going to happen. Especially since redeeming through sisterly love sounds sweeter and satisfying than redeeming through having an important role on a superhero team. 

I also think people assume Chloe not having the least amount of screentime is the ultimate proof that the writers don’t want anything to do with her, but people forget that Alya had the least amount of screentime in season 3 and season 4 gave us lots of great Alya content that tied back to prominent Alya moments in season 1 and 2. 

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I often hear people claim that Adrien would make a better protagonist. In what ways do you think that would not work? We'd probably understand the other characters less since Adrien interacts with them less due to less free time. Adrien's also usually stuck at home with what is shown onscreen as the rare free time he has, so an Adrien pov show would usually show him at home/work? It would also probably work better for a shorter, more serious show rather than a long comedic series like ML.

(Pt 2) Someone could argue that they could just make Adrien have more free time if it was Adrien-pov, but I'd rather not the show compromise the restrictiveness of Adrien's home life like that. With more "free time" to show him interacting with other characters, his isolation from the rest of the cast because less apparent (Compared to Marinette, which the show can work with what its trying to do because she interacts with many characters and meddles into situations, for better or worse)

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I think you have made your points, Anon ^^ I can hardly add anything more.

One argument I have stumbled upon recently in favor of "Adrien should be the protagonist" is that Marinette comes from a loving and caring family and therefore she doesn't have problems 🙃

As if a loving and caring family prevented Marinette to be bullied before the story started, to have little to no friend before meeting Alya and had so much low self-esteem of herself to the point she believed her taking actions would only make things worse. Insecurities which still ressurface from time to time, both as a civilian and as a superheroine. (Pharaoh, Timetagger, Miracle Queen, Furious Fu to name those)

The thing about picking a protagonist isn't about picking who has the most tragic backstory ™ as the main character. It's picking the character you want your audience to experience the story you want to tell.

Also, those people often forget that when Marinette became Ladybug, her life changed too! While Adrien jump on the occassion to be a superhero with both feet, Marinette was reluctant. She didn't even think herself up to the task put on her shoulders (not as her first mission as LB and not when she became the Guardian).

While Adrien experienced freedom, Marinette became burdened.

After making her first mistake as Ladybug and seeing the consequences of it, she spiraled down. Everything is her fault. She only creates catastrophes. She only makes things worse for everyone. She quits.

She only started to be Ladybug again when she saw she was the only one who could help Alya and Chat Noir.

She chose to become Ladybug. She chose to accept the burden on her own.

Becoming Ladybug has allowed Marinette to face adversities such as bullies (Hawkmoth, Chloé, Lila) or her mistakes. It also allowed her to stand up for herself, to acknowledge her mistakes, to learn from them and to make things right. But it doesn't mean some of her mistakes aren't affecting her on the long run.

Becoming Ladybug allows her to grow and become a better person. She inspires people to do the same (both her classmates and the audience) and that is what we see throughout the show.

But by becoming Ladybug, by accepting to carry the burden, Marinette kept pressuring herself so much that she believes everything rests on her shoulders and her shoulders only. As a result, we have seen she has hard time accepting to delegate and share the burden on the long term because she has to keep things under control. She doesn't allow herself to be vulnerable.

Marinette's creativity is her greatest asset and allows her to find solutions to problems but at the same time, it is also her creativity that leads her to overthink things and imagine the worst case scenario.

Also, because of her background -- because Marinette trusts her parents as well as their advices and their rules -- she more easily believes authority figures like Fu, Bunnyx and Su Han. She thinks outside the box, yet she doesn't question people who have more experience regarding the Miraculous. In fact, she listens and relies on them to guide her. She follows their directions, but doesn't question if those directions actually fits her. So she molds herself and becomes someone she doesn't recognize and she feels like she isn't true to herself anymore.

Marinette wants to be a normal girl with a normal life like she used to be, except her secret forever prevents her to ever be that again. And Marinette is mourning that fact. (Gamer 2.0, Miracle Queen, Gang of Secrets, Rocketear).

Adrien? Adrien, in opposition, never had a normal life. Everything is dictated to him. His schedule, how to pose and behave. You have an emotional burst? Keep it down. Even better, hide it! Bottle those emotions up. You have to keep appearances. No wonder Adrien doesn't know who he is. He always had defined himself through others and what they expected of him. He has never learned to define himself on his own.

As a civilian, Adrien is trapped. Both litterally and figuratively. If he makes a mistake, his father tends to punish him severely, stripping away the little liberty Adrien has as a civil. Chat Noir allows Adrien to break free and more importantly, break free, incognito. But it doesn't solve his problems which all boils down to his father's authority and control. Instead, Adrien runs away from his personal problems and it is not a reproach. Adrien has good reasons to do so as it is how he survives. But it is not healthy nor safe for him on the long run.

Whereas Marinette can make various mistakes and has the power to fix them. In other words, she can confront her mistakes. She is allowed to cope with her different emotions. She has the latitude to do so. She is allowed to make her own choices which will affect her as well as the others.

And the show is centered about emotions because life is filled with them and we grow up to deal with those.

But just because Marinette is the protagonist doesn't mean Adrien is irrelevant as a character. In fact, he is the deuteragonist. The second most important character to follow. The one who foils and complements the protagonist.

Both characters have a story that is being told. Marinette's point of view is favored because it is the one that provide the widest array of possibilities and because Ladybug always find a solution to fix a problem.

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