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Bionicle community, please look deep into your soul and answer this question truthfully. Is Krekka the stupidest (in terms of intelligence) character in all of Bionicle? This includes G2.

I was reading his bio entry and felt a little bad for him because it was kinda mean. I felt bad for him, dude is just doing his job as a hired thug. That said, I really can’t think of a sapient character in the lore that was considered dumber.

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Thinking about the whole "A Toa's armour would theoretically be bulletproof" thing and like. I'm now imagining the GSR visiting Earth, accidentally letting a Toa leave, and them going on to become, like, a superhero.

This isn't anything to do with the Superhero AU, this is just a fun idea.

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They strike me as bulletproof in the same way a cybertruck is (I’m so sorry for writing this!)

Toa seem to wear the equivalent of platemail armor, so solid metal with interlocking pieces where flexibility is needed. If you shoot it, and it’s thick enough, it will stop a bullet.

But what it won’t stop is the force behind the bullet.

The armor has no give/crumplezones, so all that force is passed on to the more delicate organic protodermis and more delicate metal skeleton beneath. Things are going to break/bruise/bleed and it will be painful as hell. Possibly fatal if they get shot enough or in the wrong place.

It’s part of why cybershit vehicles are so deadly to their drivers in accidents that you could walk away from in any other vehicle.

What the Toa need are sets of layered armor, with metal+impact ceramic plates+chain mail or Kevlar (for stabbing weapons)+paddings.

For a sci fi setting with such advanced tech it always surprised me that armor remained so basic in Bionicle. I get that it made the sets easy to build, but it was never expanded in the lore until the adaptive armor was introduced.

I don't actually think this is accurate? The force behind a single bullet isn't actually that much compared to, say, a speeding car, it's just that its small size increases the PRESSURE that force is able to apply to a surface. The danger comes not from the raw force of the bullet, but specifically its ability to penetrate and directly rupture internals.

The Cybertruck's issue isn't that it wouldn't protect its occupants from BULLETS, but that because it WOULD protect its occupants from bullets (for some reason) it is unable to protect them from the much more relevant threat of car crashes. The crumple zones are important in the specific case of incredibly large amounts of force impacting over a large surface area - e.g. A car crash. In fact, that scenario would be more analogous to blows the Toa might receive fighting other biomechanical beings in melee combat - similar amounts of weight, material, etc. Given that we've seen plenty of just that in canon, I'd guess that any squishy internals have some level of "suspension" within the metal casings to keep them from being too jostled in extreme combat scenarios - they were designed for combat after all.

I think my argument was a bit unclear. Let me try again but feel free to skip. @oonicornflower make some solid arguments.

Here’s how I view the problem. Bullets, especially higher calibers can absolutely cause breaks and tissue damage without penetrating the body of the person being shot. This includes lethal levels of damage if the force behind the shot hits critical organs (lungs, heart, brain).

The force becomes lethal if the mass or the velocity is high enough. Baseball and hockey puck impacts to the head and chest can and have killed with surface impacts. In that case, higher mass than a bullet but lower velocity.

The bullet has a low mass but high impact force from high velocity. Rubber bullet impacts can be lethal for this same reason.

Don’t get me wrong, penetration damage is, as you point out, super lethal. You want to prevent the ammo from getting inside your squishy squishy organs and tearing things up.

And I think I was really unclear on my example with the Cybertruck. That’s on me!

I was trying to present a twofold argument that the steel plate on them can stop bullets and the impact force is not passed on between the frame and passenger. There is space and padding between the passenger and the frame, the force does not reach them.

However, body armor does not have this space. This presents the same issues (at a much smaller scale) in getting shot as a fixed steel car frame has in an vehicular accident. It’s because it has no give. No crumplezones to disperse the force behind an impact.

Modern body armor uses Kevlar and ceramic plates to stop bullets from ripping into the target and disperse the force across a wider area. The goal is to get a bruise instead of traumatic internal damage through piercing or blunt force damage.

The Toa are absolutely designed to take a hit and recover quickly. They probably do have some internal suspension for critical organs and other protections. My argument is that cannon has shown they have lungs and other squishy bits that simple plate armor could not adequately defend.

TLDR: I argue that Bulletproof in my mind accounts for preventing lethal damage from force and piercing damage. Blunt-Force Trauma Bad, Plate Armor Alone Bad For High Impact

Either way, shooting a Toa is a fucking terrible idea and they tend to travel in groups. Your villain ass is going to be handed to you.

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Thinking about the whole "A Toa's armour would theoretically be bulletproof" thing and like. I'm now imagining the GSR visiting Earth, accidentally letting a Toa leave, and them going on to become, like, a superhero.

This isn't anything to do with the Superhero AU, this is just a fun idea.

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They strike me as bulletproof in the same way a cybertruck is (I’m so sorry for writing this!)

Toa seem to wear the equivalent of platemail armor, so solid metal with interlocking pieces where flexibility is needed. If you shoot it, and it’s thick enough, it will stop a bullet.

But what it won’t stop is the force behind the bullet.

The armor has no give/crumplezones, so all that force is passed on to the more delicate organic protodermis and more delicate metal skeleton beneath. Things are going to break/bruise/bleed and it will be painful as hell. Possibly fatal if they get shot enough or in the wrong place.

It’s part of why cybershit vehicles are so deadly to their drivers in accidents that you could walk away from in any other vehicle.

What the Toa need are sets of layered armor, with metal+impact ceramic plates+chain mail or Kevlar (for stabbing weapons)+paddings.

For a sci fi setting with such advanced tech it always surprised me that armor remained so basic in Bionicle. I get that it made the sets easy to build, but it was never expanded in the lore until the adaptive armor was introduced.

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fun bonkle question: does the kaukau work in space?

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Okay, I have conflicting answers for this.

No, because it’s designed to draw breathable oxygen from water. The void of space lacks enough matter, or oxygen, to filter out or draw from.

However…

If, rather than drawing free oxygen diffused in water, a Kaukau literally broke the hydrogen-oxygen bond in water to obtain oxygen, then maybe?

If you wear a Kaukau while following the melting trail of a particularly dense ice comet, the mask could extract oxygen from the comet tail. Probably not enough to live off of, but it would technically work.

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I love Toa Hagah & Toa Nuva friendship. like yes we will drag Roodaka to you. yes we respect you as the elders of our elders but also Lewa and Iruini are destroying Dark Hunter property together and cackling. yes once the Hagah are transformed back into Toa it's the first time the Toa Nuva ever met other Toa and they probably bonded. yes their stories are both interwoven with Teridax's cruelty over thousands of years. yes the Hagah are helping the Toa Nuva lead on the new planet. and yes the Hagah should definitely retire, ask the Toa Nuva for recommendations on which Matoran should become their Toa descendants, and then join the Turaga Metru in cheerfully acting wiser than the Mata and the Mahri and giving them sometimes bad advice for all of eternity

I like to think that the few centuries they spent as the Rahaga has given the Hagah a new lease on being Toa - They know what being small and weak(er) is like and aren't in a hurry to get back to it... but they are quite happy to "retire" to being guardians and leave the adventures to the Nuva and the Mahri.

In essence, the Hagah are the Epic Big Siblings to both the Nuva and the Mahri - The former have a more directly sibling relationship with them, and the latter see them as somewhere between Toa and Turaga. As of Canon-End, the Hagah are the oldest surviving Toa, barring the very unfriendly and almost definitely sick of your shit Orde and Helryx.

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Okay, yes. But also…

As Teridax’s bodyguards they got to see most everything that happened before the Makuta went rogue. Every petty squabble between them, and every fuckup during rahi creation. All of it.

And the Haga dish all the juicy gossip they have been holding on to for millennia.

Teridax had become GOD and reigned terror and death down on an entire universe. Everyone on Spherus Magna has Teridax-related PTSD.

But telling everyone how “God” slipped on a patch of ice another Makuta summoned and ate shit in front of half of Destral, twice.

Dishing the goss, it helps. Teridax wasn’t a god now, more just a colossal asshole who ruined things because it was how he got his jollies.

The stories they have on all the Makuta would make for a great writing contest…

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Takua was the very first Matoran built by the Great Beings. He was not only a test build to see if their nanotech workers would perform as expected, but a way to test early builds of GSR programming.

Headcanon that Takua's programming was granted administrator privileges to the GSR. The Great Beings wanted to make sure the automated systems would interact safely with an administrator before they tested things themselves. If their test subject was attacked or destroyed, well they could always build another.

Additional Headcanon that when the Great Beings were finished and dumped Takua in with the rest of the Av-Matoran they cleared his memory but forgot to remove the administrator privileges. This played an accidental role in the rest of the storyline.

This explains why only Takua could summon the Toa Mata or enter the Bohrok Nest unhindered. He still retained the privileges as Takanuva but couldn't bypass Karzahni's barrier because he too had overwright privileges on part of the GSR and could exclude anyone he wanted.

Had he gotten past the barrier with the rest of his friends, he would have been able to walk them down the 777 stairs without tripping any of the protection systems. Had he wanted to, he could have also walked straight into the Codrex without the key.

With his access to the GSR systems, he would have been able to walk into Mata Nui's brain if he knew the way. Likewise, if he had known how to code he could have rewritten the traits and personalities of others, not unlike a Makuta virus.

Had the Great Beings gone back to visit the GSR, Takua would have been able to see them despite the programming block placed on non-administrators to render them invisible.

*Great Beings in Metru Nui pre-Teridax Attack, Standing around Ta-Metru looking at various Matoran while 'unseen' by the locals.*

Great Being 1: "Hmmm, the project is progressing well enough, but how did they all gain sapience? We didn't program them for that!"

Great Being 2: "Someone must have interfered..."

Takua: *From Behind Them* "Oh hey, you guys must be tourists! I've never seen anyone like you before. What island are you from?"

Great Beings: *Incoherent Shrieking*

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We are not going to talk about how I forgot that the environment is supposed to be this pretty, flowery, water-like area... so what we ARE going to do is pretend that I remembered that detail, and that for the next couple of pages, Onua is just sitting in this little area where it is heavily wooded and has grass. (To be fair, I forgot about this detail at the end of Chapter 6 as well, so.)

Higher tiers get a discount on commission prices and can get free lineart for their coloring pleasure of any of my existing works! I am working on more benefits, but that's what I have so far!

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Headcanon that Skrall as a species are essentially doomed on Spherus Magna.

Even though they are warriors of the highest caliber, 100,000 years of war, starvation, and the loss of every female of their species leads to a slow, inevitable decline.

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Bionicle storyboard reaction images for everyday use

You have seen an online image you can’t unsee.

Dear Mata Nui! What have you done?

The ol’ double take. Oh Mata Nui WHY?

“Vakama begins to walk” away from your shit.

It's rotten work. Especially to me, especially if it's you. I'll fucking do it but Mata Nui alive.

Look at this bullshit.

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