Welp, that explains this from back in Volpina...
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Why do you think they made Volpina so much more powerful than Rena Rouge the true holder of the Fox miraculous
You know, I thought they did at first too. But they really didn't.
Sure volpina can create multiple illusions but none of them held a candle to how in depth Rena Rouge's have been.
Rena could make the illusions speak, put them over her friends, and have them travel massive distances.
Sure Rena Rouge has the time limit but Rena Rouge's power is far more in depth.
but then again maybe Volpina could do all that and just didnt figure it out and in that case its because plot reasons
Well, in all fairness, Volpina was able to make her illusions speak as well. That's how she distracted Ladybug and Chat Noir during Mayura in the first place, by making her illusion of Hawk Moth talk to them.
But I guess an important difference between her illusions and Rena's are that they aren't as detailed. Which could actually be a nice portrayal of how Lila (and liars in general) can't afford to have super detailed lies because, otherwise, they'd forget said details, allowing for people to catch on; now that I think about it.
What I mean with this is that, at least in Volpina, Lila's illusions lost shape when they moved. Her illusions of herself flying and of Hawk Moth turned into orange and purple streaks when going from one place to another, instead of actually moving themselves. Unlike Rena Rouge's, which, as seen in Mr. Pigeon 72 and Gang of Secrets, actually appear to be on the move.
Now that I think about it, her Ladynoir fight in Catalyst was very simplistic as well; her fake Ladybug and Chat Noir just appeared on top of the balloons, completely out of nowhere, even if her Ladybug was seen running away later. Rena Rouge actually cared about having her illusions arrive at where the akuma was.
If we were to compare Rena Rouge and Volpina, the latter is a clear case of empty bragging with nothing to back it up.
What do I mean with this?
Volpina never really fought against Ladybug and Chat Noir.
For all her bragging and brushing Ladybug off as "just being jealous" because Volpina was more powerful, Lila knew she didn't stand a chance against her in a fair, physical fight. The few seconds we saw them fight in Volpina, Lila was doing her best to keep her distance. Literally the only time in the entire episode she came close to having any sort of physical contact with Ladybug (aside from where she refused her apology) was when she blocked her yo-yo with her flute.
That's it.
Unlike her, Alya does actually fight and get involved in the actiony part of being a superhero.
While Lila hides behind her lies with no evidence to back them up, Alya not only doesn't lie, but is actually efficient.
Now, on a more technical note, the reason why Volpina is not limited by time or number of illusions is simply because she was introduced before we knew what the Fox Miraculous was capable of.
The fact that Lila is a consummate liar also helped. Because, what's the point on giving lying-based powers to a person if she can only use them once?
Had the Fox Miraculous been introduced before Lila, I wholeheartedly believe Volpina would have had the same limitations as Antibug and Copycat, whose powers copied Ladybug and Chat Noir's, even in their flaws.
Also, since we didn't find out Hawk Moth could enhance the miraculouses' powers until Queen Wasp, we can't really attribute Volpina's enhanced illusion-making to the same process, namely because Lila's akumatised object was never the real Fox Miraculous.
Bottom line? Volpina still is more flawed than Rena Rouge, with her "enhanced" powers being a result of the writers trying to avoid spoilers.
@kisilinramblings is there anything you'd like to add?
Wait a minute... If Alya is going to keep the fox miraculous from now on, does this mean that that trailer I saw about a month ago of Lila getting her hands on the fox miraculous and using it to become Volpina wasn't a fanmade thing but the real deal?!?!??!?!?!
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If there's a possibility that Lila might become Hawkmoth in the future, low-key I blame Ladybug/Marinette bc she kinda bought it on herself when she let her jealousy get the best of her, I low-key blame Adrien but nobody wants to hold him accountable for anything, I can see why he's Chat Noir and his power is bad luck, he kinda led Lila into being Hawkmoth in the future, there's a Cause and Effect for everything.
The thing about this show is that it is based on cause and effect, since the plot focuses on people turned into supervillains after an event makes them miserable.
When it comes to Volpina, we've talked about this a lot; it's a very controversial episode. If you want my honest opinion, even if exposing Lila earned Marinette an enemy, it had to happen. Not just because that's the plot, but because it could've been a lot worse had she remained quiet. Think about it, Lila is portrayed as someone who can easily get whatever she wants from people just by saying a few pretty words or sheding some crocodile tears. If Marinette hadn't exposed her as Ladybug, the only reliable source of information or figure of authority regarding their "friendship", it would've been Marinette's word against Lila's in a much less favourable manner. Because, this time, she might not have had Adrien's support.
The fact that Ladybug herself showed up and made it clear that Lila just wanted to be the centre of attention, with no real evidence to back her words, was the only thing that saved Adrien from being played by her. Because, once again, the episode showed that Adrien is WAY too trusting; believing some random girl's stories about the girl whom, ironically, he knows better than anyone, not questioning that said girl would be dumb enough to reveal what would usually be somebody's greatest secret or doubting your partner instead of the mysterious hero who'd just appeared and, coincidentially, shared her alias with the girl who'd just been exposed as a liar are clear examples of that.
If Marinette hadn't called her out, Adrien would nowadays believe her, and considering he only decided to actually get away from Lila after her lies had gotten Nathalie and Gorilla in trouble, akumatised Kagami and almost doomed Ladybug, there's a high chance he might have shrugged Marinette's concerns off as just her usual insecurity, just like everyone else, instead of being the only other person whom she knows Lila doesn't have wrapped up around her little finger.
And about the way Marinette exposed her...
While the fandom agrees yelling at someone wasn't the best solution she could've come up with, when it comes to Lila, it doesn't really matter. Whether you're nice to her or show her you ain't buying any of her lies, she will not react positively to people knowing she's a liar.
When it came to handling Lila, Adrien chose the former and Marinette chose the latter. And how did that turn out? Lila threatened Marinette with putting an end to her social life and both blew off Adrien's attempts and used her powers to make him look like a jerk.
So, to sum up, when it comes to Lila, as long as she's aware you know she's a liar, you're done for. Meaning Lila's actions, past and future, wouldn't change just because Marinette could've chosen a different method.
Thanks for asking!
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Is there a label on the jewelery bag? Where did Lila get the fox necklace? Was it commissioned really quickly??? Why have they never talked about a company making REPLICAS OF MIRACULOUS. Especially ones that have not even been seen yet? Wouldbt that be a possible lead for who Hawkmoth is. And if Gabe didnt make them, wouldnt he want to look into that??? It would have made more sense if Lila made it herself. Or had someone make it.
This is the shot of Lila leaving the jewelry shop, but it’s basically impossible to read because they quickly zoom out to show where Marinette was in relation to her:
Also example no. 57 of them messing up a bag, holy shit, she’s only been in one episode-!
And this is the best view of the bag I could get:
It’s widely accepted that it is Gabriel brand jewelry but I’m not 100% sure where that idea came from? Maybe it’s said in another episode and I’ve just forgot? I mean, since Gabriel has the Guardian Book it makes sense he’d be able to duplicate them, so I’m not against the idea. And the necklace isn’t an exact duplicate, so it reads more like a knockoff.
Although it does look like when it’s detransformed, so maybe not so much a knock off. Or the animators got their necklaces mixed up and gave Alya Lila’s necklace by accident.
Just to expand on the Necklace bit, I’ve noticed Volpina’s (more so than Lila) has many looks to it.
Sometimes the colors are very easily distinguished, sometimes they’re very muted, sometimes the necklace is VERY metallic, and sometimes it’s the same as when she was Lila, though I believe it’s supposed to be the first look and the rest are animation errors or cut corners. Even the chain isn’t consistent, sometimes being an actual chain and sometimes being a plain gold rope.
What’s odd is whereas the tail part’s look changes depending on how close up and visible it is, the chain part is constantly changing. Like, both of these shots were when Volpina was taking up 4/5ths of the screen, so it’s weird they’d let us see this.
I add all this to say, it’s impossible to know if the necklace Lila has is a one-to-one replica of the Fox Miraculous or a knock off. But nothing about Volpina is consistent, I mean, check out these shots of her hair ties. Volpina is a cosplayer’s nightmare:
I like the black ones most, the orange clashes with the red in her hair. Bonus, that silver one is straight up an animation error because you can see the yellow-orange band floating just behind it when she’s talking to Adrien.
It's believed the necklace is from Gabriel because Astruc said so himself.
Also, if you ask me, I don't find it so hard to believe that is a knock off of the real one. After all, Volpina is when the Miraculous Grimoire debuted, and in the book, the Fox Miraculous looks like this:
It's in camouflage mode.
And, if we go a little meta, it'd make sense that Gabriel had used the illustration as inspiration for his own brand on purpose. It'd help explain just how Lila can be so lucky to find a necklace that looks just like the one in Adrien's book.
Otherwise, it'd be impossible to keep the plot moving, and the only designer, especially in Season 1 and more so in this episode, who could've been inspired by the miraculouses was Gabriel.
My personal beef on the necklace is that I don't understand why she keeps referring to it as her grandmother's. I mean, what use is saying that in 'Ladybug'? The only true thing about the necklace was that it is hers. Why include her unseen grandma???
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Is there a label on the jewelery bag? Where did Lila get the fox necklace? Was it commissioned really quickly??? Why have they never talked about a company making REPLICAS OF MIRACULOUS. Especially ones that have not even been seen yet? Wouldbt that be a possible lead for who Hawkmoth is. And if Gabe didnt make them, wouldnt he want to look into that??? It would have made more sense if Lila made it herself. Or had someone make it.
This is the shot of Lila leaving the jewelry shop, but it’s basically impossible to read because they quickly zoom out to show where Marinette was in relation to her:
Also example no. 57 of them messing up a bag, holy shit, she’s only been in one episode-!
And this is the best view of the bag I could get:
It’s widely accepted that it is Gabriel brand jewelry but I’m not 100% sure where that idea came from? Maybe it’s said in another episode and I’ve just forgot? I mean, since Gabriel has the Guardian Book it makes sense he’d be able to duplicate them, so I’m not against the idea. And the necklace isn’t an exact duplicate, so it reads more like a knockoff.
Although it does look like when it’s detransformed, so maybe not so much a knock off. Or the animators got their necklaces mixed up and gave Alya Lila’s necklace by accident.
Just to expand on the Necklace bit, I’ve noticed Volpina’s (more so than Lila) has many looks to it.
Sometimes the colors are very easily distinguished, sometimes they’re very muted, sometimes the necklace is VERY metallic, and sometimes it’s the same as when she was Lila, though I believe it’s supposed to be the first look and the rest are animation errors or cut corners. Even the chain isn’t consistent, sometimes being an actual chain and sometimes being a plain gold rope.
What’s odd is whereas the tail part’s look changes depending on how close up and visible it is, the chain part is constantly changing. Like, both of these shots were when Volpina was taking up 4/5ths of the screen, so it’s weird they’d let us see this.
I add all this to say, it’s impossible to know if the necklace Lila has is a one-to-one replica of the Fox Miraculous or a knock off. But nothing about Volpina is consistent, I mean, check out these shots of her hair ties. Volpina is a cosplayer’s nightmare:
I like the black ones most, the orange clashes with the red in her hair. Bonus, that silver one is straight up an animation error because you can see the yellow-orange band floating just behind it when she’s talking to Adrien.
It's believed the necklace belongs to Gabriel's brand because Astruc said so himself on a tweet.
If you ask me, it'd make sense if it were an actual knock-off of the real Fox Miraculous, mostly because the only version Gabriel has access to is the one from the Grimoire, which looks just like this:
It's in camouflage mode.
It'd also help explain just how Lila can be so lucky to find a necklace that looks exactly like the one from Adrien's book.
If we go a little meta, it's the perfect way to keep the plot moving. Because the only designer who can take inspiration from the miraculouses, especially in Season 1 and more so in this episode, is Gabriel Agreste. So, yeah. It makes sense that Lila would buy a necklace that is an exact replica of a miraculous from the only guy in the whole show who has reference on them.
To be honest, my beef on the necklace is about why she keeps referring to it as her grandmother's. I mean, why??? Why does she have to mention that lie in 'Ladybug'? After all, the only truth she told during the whole episode and the only true fact about the necklace is that it's hers. Why involve her unseen Grandma???
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I think Lila isn't out to ruin Adrien like she tries with Marinette because unlike Marinette, Adrien never said he would try to expose her. I think as long as you don't try to out her lies you're safe, like Adrien is, the moment you try something against her, like Marinette, Lila will destroy you. I think it's actually quite common for people like her, you're with her or not. You expose her or not. Adrien doesn't, he's safe. Marinette and Ladybug do, they're dead. The moment Adrien tries, amen.
I see what you mean, however, I think you’re missing one key factor about Lila’s character:
She doesn’t target those who try to expose her exclusively.
It is true that being called out on her lies, or just a liar in general is her berserk button, but that is not the only reason Lila dislikes Ladybug/Marinette, even Adrien.
As @kisilinramblings once pointed out in one of their analyses, what Lila hates the most is not being called a liar, but virtuous people.
In other words, Lila hates people who are better than her, more so if they are morally better than her.
The best example of this is in Chameleon, right before she grabbed the akuma. In the French dub, what she said to criticise Adrien and Ladybug could be (very freely) translated to: “I can’t stand people lecturing me.”
Which is exactly how she perceives Adrien’s attempt at reasoning with her; a lecture.
“Lila, I’d be perfectly happy being your friend, and I’ll gladly help you out with schoolwork…”
“But…”
“Please, don’t lie to me like you did last time with Ladybug”
*Le gasp!*
See? There’s literally nothing in that interaction that could’ve possibly be taken as an attempt to expose her. Adrien literally just asked her -in the nicest way possible, might I add- to stop lying. And then, the most he does is tell her that it’ll only get her in trouble.
He was just looking out for her and asking for perfectly reasonable things!
And what was her reaction?
Defending herself calling Ladybug the liar, literally asking him “Are you trying to be a superhero lecturing me just like Ladybug did?”, and then, rebuffing him.
Even so, what was her first reaction as Chameleon?
Targeting him to take his appearance and ruin his reputation in the process as petty revenge.
This clearly shows that Lila’s main target isn’t just people trying to expose her; it’s people who have more morals than her and that it shows they do.
This whole interaction just proves that Lila is incapable of acknowledging her mistakes even when she’s being called out on them in the nicest way possible. Where we, as the viewers, see Adrien being the cinnamon roll that he is and trying to help her out of genuine care and concern, Lila sees someone who’s trying to show he’s better than her.
She sees Adrien’s words as condescending.
Meaning the only reason why Lila doesn’t try to ruin Adrien is solely because of her interest in him and what he could give her.
For instance, if it weren’t for Gabriel meeting and making a deal with her, maybe she would’ve moved on from him after Oni-chan. Because, unlike in Chameleon, in their last interaction he was lecturing her for her lies and the consequences they’d brought on Nathalie and Gorilla!
He doesn’t even want to be touched by her!
On a side note, today I read an analysis on their interaction in “Ladybug.” And it pointed out something very interesting and very true; the moment Lila realises she’s been caught, just like the bathroom scene in Chameleon, she abandons her sweet persona entirely, and lets the aggressive one loose.
Which is reflected when she asks, “And why should I do that, Adrien?”
The thing is, even if she actually showed her true colours to Adrien, it’s not because he’d threatened to expose her. He literally said he didn’t know how. Lila was miffed because she was being reprimanded on her behaviour, again.
This hatred towards people who’re morally better than her is apparent in her distaste for Marinette. Sure, she hates Ladybug with a passion, too, but that does come from a mix of jealousy towards the attention and love the hero receives, and from the fact that she exposed her.
Marinette, on the other hand, did try to expose her lies, but even so, Lila gave her a chance. Meaning she was probably less mad at Marinette’s attempts than at her just and noble nature.
A kind of nature that grants Marinette the love, attention, and loyalty Lila so desperately seeks, especially from Adrien.
If we look back at Miraculer, it’s obvious Lila will try to take down whoever she considers an obstacle, regardless of the person’s interactions with her.
I mean, take Chloé and Nino!
Nino thinks she’s cool, and even tried to help her with her schoolwork when he found her looking dejected when they were walking to school in Oni-chan (although she did manipulate him…). And what does he get from that? Being badmouthed by her to Adrien’s father.
And Chloé?
For once she didn’t even do anything to be disliked!
But it’s clear that the reason why Lila toyed with her emotions regarding Ladybug and their bond was because she was jealous of Chloé’s bond with Adrien. And nothing more.
So, I’d say the only thing keeping Adrien relatively safe from Lila is her, albeit shallow, crush on him. Because, when it comes to her, you’re either an adoring drone, or a nuisance she has to get rid of. And her judgement on who is what is completely arbitrary.
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The heart grows funder with distance. Bug out!
Ouch
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tbh lrb now that i think about it Volpina would have been so much better if instead of “blah blah Marinette’s jealous” Plagg actually knew about the book and that’s why he agrees with Adrien taking it
and at school Adrien can’t think of anything except the book and Lila’s trying to engage with this cool guy but he’s just like “haha thanks I’m really busy and uhh need to do some studying” but she really wants his favour so she’s like “oh we can study together then!” and Adrien is bad at refusing people so he’s like okay fine
and then they get to the library where he tries to sneak a peek at the book but Lila sees it and then goes on her spiel about knowing Ladybug and Adrien has been tuned the fuck out of everything since he found the book so he’s like “wait what?” and Lila just steamrolls on and sets up a date at the park and Adrien’s like “welp I guess we’re going to the park”
This would've been so cool, man
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Vendetta ML AU
- In this AU, Lila is more of a traitor-who-thinks-she's-doing-the-right-thing than what she is in canon.
- After being humiliated by Ladybug, she actually fears the truth had been spread around her classmates, so she keeps her lies in line. Only ever using them when a chance to take down Ladybug appears, so she sort of works in the shadows, going unnoticed even by Marinette and Adrien.
- Lila's hatred towards Ladybug doesn't come solely from the fact that she was exposed by the superheroine, but from her belief that she'd been unnecessarily harsh and ruthless to her for just (in her opinion) some white lies.
- In this AU she forgets about Adrien entirely, not caring for him in the least and, therefore, she doesn't become another of Marinette's love rivals (I honestly still think that was unnecessary if we already have Kagami). Screw him. If he still plans on crushing and fanboying over someone willing to humiliate others for something as *insignificant* (to Lila, that is) as a lie, he could be hotter than a Greek God for all she cares, she ain't gon' waste her time with him.
- She would appear in season 2, because if she thinks her classmates already know she lied, then she sees no point in pretending to be abroad, they're not going to believe her anyways.
- There'd be some one-sided Lilanette; because Lila's back to school sooner than in canon and doesn't brag with her lies like she did in Volpina, not even sparing a glance at Adrien, Marinette actually feels bad for her and tries to get close to her.
She did admit in the 'Lila' websode that she seemed to be in more need of an ally than an enemy, so... - As a result, we'd get the Anti-Chloé the fandom had been waiting for. You know, Lila hating Ladybug but adoring Marinette.
- Lila's main goal is getting rid of Ladybug because, as a result of her own experience, she believes she's nothing but a false hero, basking in the glory of being celebrated, when, in truth, she only cares about fulfilling her own agenda.
Ironically, she'd blame Ladybug for what she intended to do as Volpina. - In the Vendetta AU, Lila would still willingly work with Hawk Moth, since it's the direct solution to her problems; but wouldn't want to have anything to do with Gabriel because she can't stand Adrien, so she wouldn't use that as a chance to get closer to him.
- This means either Oni-chan wouldn't happen, or it'd have some drastic changes.
- She still hates being reminded of the Volpina incident.
- Chameleon would happen, but instead of targeting Marinette or trying to get the seat next to Adrien, she'd be even more outraged by hearing that she should not lie from him.
- Due to different circumstances than the tinnitus or the Achu lies, Lila would be forced to ask for help regarding her homework to Adrien, of which she'd try to get away from by lying to him, but he sees right through her and reminds her of what happened the last time she lied.
- That enfuriates Lila because he has no right to tell her how to behave when he himself worships an "awful role model". And hence, she's akumatised in Chameleon.
- Lila's final interaction with Marinette in this version of the episode is her telling Marinette that she shouldn't crush on Adrien, for it's only going to bring her pain.
- She would also play her part in Heroes' Day, although she'd pretend to be sick that day, instead of away (which is sort of true, she is sick from everyone's admiration of Ladybug).
- So, basically, Lila would actually try to get people to see the light regarding Ladybug, thinking she's actually doing the right thing for Paris by aiding Hawk Moth, but she'd still be wrong and, unknowingly, betraying the one person she cares about in her class; Marinette.
Vendetta ML AU
- In this AU, Lila is more of a traitor-who-thinks-she's-doing-the-right-thing than what she is in canon.
- After being humiliated by Ladybug, she actually fears the truth had been spread around her classmates, so she keeps her lies in line. Only ever using them when a chance to take down Ladybug appears, so she sort of works in the shadows, going unnoticed even by Marinette and Adrien.
- Lila's hatred towards Ladybug doesn't come solely from the fact that she was exposed by the superheroine, but from her belief that she'd been unnecessarily harsh and ruthless to her for just (in her opinion) some white lies.
- In this AU she forgets about Adrien entirely, not caring for him in the least and, therefore, she doesn't become another of Marinette's love rivals (I honestly still think that was unnecessary if we already have Kagami). Screw him. If he still plans on crushing and fanboying over someone willing to humiliate others for something as *insignificant* (to Lila, that is) as a lie, he could be hotter than a Greek God for all she cares, she ain't gon' waste her time with him.
- She would appear in season 2, because if she thinks her classmates already know she lied, then she sees no point in pretending to be abroad, they're not going to believe her anyways.
- There'd be some one-sided Lilanette; because Lila's back to school sooner than in canon and doesn't brag with her lies like she did in Volpina, not even sparing a glance at Adrien, Marinette actually feels bad for her and tries to get close to her.
She did admit in the 'Lila' websode that she seemed to be in more need of an ally than an enemy, so... - As a result, we'd get the Anti-Chloé the fandom had been waiting for. You know, Lila hating Ladybug but adoring Marinette.
- Lila's main goal is getting rid of Ladybug because, as a result of her own experience, she believes she's nothing but a false hero, basking in the glory of being celebrated, when, in truth, she only cares about fulfilling her own agenda.
Ironically, she'd blame Ladybug for what she intended to do as Volpina. - In the Vendetta AU, Lila would still willingly work with Hawk Moth, since it's the direct solution to her problems; but wouldn't want to have anything to do with Gabriel because she can't stand Adrien, so she wouldn't use that as a chance to get closer to him.
- This means either Oni-chan wouldn't happen, or it'd have some drastic changes.
- She still hates being reminded of the Volpina incident.
- Chameleon would happen, but instead of targeting Marinette or trying to get the seat next to Adrien, she'd be even more outraged by hearing that she should not lie from him.
- Due to different circumstances than the tinnitus or the Achu lies, Lila would be forced to ask for help regarding her homework to Adrien, of which she'd try to get away from by lying to him, but he sees right through her and reminds her of what happened the last time she lied.
- That enfuriates Lila because he has no right to tell her how to behave when he himself worships an "awful role model". And hence, she's akumatised in Chameleon.
- Lila's final interaction with Marinette in this version of the episode is her telling Marinette that she shouldn't crush on Adrien, for it's only going to bring her pain.
- She would also play her part in Heroes' Day, although she'd pretend to be sick that day, instead of away (which is sort of true, she is sick from everyone's admiration of Ladybug).
- So, basically, Lila would actually try to get people to see the light regarding Ladybug, thinking she's actually doing the right thing for Paris by aiding Hawk Moth, but she'd still be wrong and, unknowingly, betraying the one person she cares about in her class; Marinette.