Fanon Chloe is just Kagami but white washed and about 10% as Intresting.
Yeah I said it!
Anonymous asked:
Speaking of Dragon Age, there's a quotation by David Gaider that more pop culture fans ought to look up (even if Gaider didn't always take his own advice): "Privilege is when you think that something's not a problem because it's not a problem for you personally." Fans can afford to call villains "overhated" because fans don't have to personally deal with the damage they cause. It's also why fans care about some social issues but treat others as a joke; only some issues personally affect them.
That's pretty much it. Yeah.
For example I can only assume people who don't hate Chloe for getting Caline fired are privileged enough to have never lost a job.
No, I will NOT let that go!
Anonymous asked:
Felix stans or Chloe stans, who are more toxic ?
Chloe stans. At least in my experience.
Felix stans have called me stupid.
Chloe stans have actively called me an abuse apologist and cyber bullies the creator of the show for years.
Anonymous asked:
Chloe literally dropped "marinette had to ask my permission to come to school" why is noone talking about this?
Because Chloe stans will never hold Chloe accountable for anything.
And already I saw a Chloe stan reply to one of your posts...yare yare daze
I have never been so fed up with fans of a character.
You know what? Felix Stans, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I called you the worst part of this fandom.
Chloe stans are far worse and much more annoying.
Anonymous asked:
I don't have a problem with people who are a "Ignore canon and make up fanon Chloe" stans. I can get behind that. But what I really don't understand is why people are hellbent on making excuses for her. Not who she is as a character, but who she is as a person. There's nothing wrong with liking Chloe as a character. She's mean, she's evil, she's bad, she's also a gag who does her job pretty well most of the time. That's fine. But when people start to make excuses for her bullying, her vandalism, her atrocious behaviour, terrorism, that's where I draw the line. No, I draw the lines where people find it normal and funny to harass a man just because he wrote a mean girl. This is harassment and bullying, point blank. And there can be no excuses for this. You can like her or hate her. You can hate her failed redemption arc and call it bad writing all you want. But you lose any and all credibility when you harass fans, writers and the voice actors. There's a limit to how entitled you can be.
Agreed.
I have nothing against fanon. Do whatever you want.
BUT!!!!
And this is a very big but.
If the creator of the media decides, they want to go a different way. You don't get to throw a tantrum about it.
And to freak out, bitch, and cyber bully the entire creative team, the way you did, chloe stans. Was not only stupid, and pathetic.
It was downright embarrassing to anyone trying to keep a clear head about it!
Anonymous asked:
About the claim that Marinette "betrayed" Chloe, remember anon brought up in an earlier ask that "having favorite characters at all" was the start of fandom corruption? Anon will elaborate: the reason we even have "favorite characters" is because they either remind us of ourselves, or we project onto them because we identify with them in some way. So, once Chloe fans "projected" onto her, they felt that any negative reaction to Chloe's behavior was an Attack on Them Personally. Hence the myopia.
Yeah.
That's true.
I won't deny a lot of Kagami and Adrien salt makes me feel bad because I was a lot like them. I still am.
But, I'm not cyberbullying people.
That's the problem with Chloe Stans. Not identifying with Chloe.
I love fact that Chloe stans think that "most logical" way to "correct" "bad writing" (that was, according to them, Zoe's introduction as Chloe's NICER sister, instead as "Lila 2.0) is if Writers out of nowhere swapped Chloe and Zoe's personalities
Oh no. See, that would make perfect sense.
We could also reveal that Chloe has been crushing Marinette this whole time. After all if a girl bullies a guy that means she likes him right?
Lesbians are just inheritly more masculine and violent, so it makes sense that her attempts to get Marinette’s attention would put her life at risk. What homopbic stereotype?
And Zoe’s just a Mary Sue at this point. Kindness? That's boring. What we need are more bitchy blonde stereotypical bullies.
I suspect that Chloe stans are so enraged by "Derision" episode just EXISTING, because it reminded rest of fandom that their "claims" that "Marinette has happy life [so it's fine that Chloe bullies her]" as just blatant lies
That's always been a blatant lie.
Yeah, Marinette has good parents and a healthy home life. So?
Marinette has multiple other things that make her life unpleasant.
School.
Anxiety.
Responsibility of being ladybug.
Puberty.
The fact being a teenager sucks in general.
Plus, she's an only child. She could easily feel bad about that.
There's other ways to be troubled than being another batman rip off.
Anonymous asked:
The worst part is, they're not even CONSISTENTLY victim-blaming. So, just for the sake of argument, let's say they're right, and Chloe mistreating her sister is Zoe's fault for not making enough of an effort. If that's true, shouldn't Chloe be making more of an effort to connect with her abusive mother? If victims need to make an effort to fix their bullies, then shouldn't bullies also make an effort to fix their abusers? Once again, "different rules are being applied to different people".
No, you silly person.
Chloe is cruel and mean. So her abuse matters and is valid.
Zoe isn't an abuse victim. She has friends and treats people well. That's not how a victim acts.
It's all on Zoe if Chloe mistreats her she's the "nice one" after all.
Anonymous asked:
Apparently some people agree with Chloe's decision to bully Marinette because she is just the type of ''''''''''weirdo'''''''''' that should be bullied. We've finally found the bullies and they said it themselves.
It's nice when they're honest about being despicable brats.
Anonymous asked:
You mentioned once that Chloe fans are just as entitled as she is. Actually, anon would argue that there is a very, very subtle difference between Chloe's mindset and that of her fans. Chloe believes "everyone has to follow the same rules, but the rules treat me as special and let me hurt people." Meanwhile, her fans instead believe that "people we like should be judged by completely different rules, so Chloe's behavior is the fault of her childhood, but everyone ELSE is personally responsible."
It's called "moral myopia"
They have double standards and say that rules and consequences are for "lesser people." In other words, people they don't like
Anonymous asked:
To answer your question, "What is the appeal to this character?", anon doesn't know if you've watched Owl House, but one episode had a minor character named Bria. She asked Gus to help her overthrow her school's "social Darwinism", but Bria was only against it because she thought SHE should be on top instead. So, why does Chloe appeal to some people? Because her fans agree with older generations that "some people are Acceptable Targets"; they just don't agree with WHO the targets should be.
So they're they sort of person who see a boot in another's face and think "That's really unfair. That should be my boot on their face."
That makes sense. I'm Chloe stans but you can't convince me you weren't bullies yourself and can't stand the idea of people not liking that.
I mean, why else would you make excuses for the girl who thinks people nearly dying is funny?
And yes I have seen the Owl house. Really need to catch up.
Anonymous asked:
If there's one advantage to that ask accusing you of harassment, it's that it really encapsulates what's wrong with Chloe fans in a single paragraph: the idea that "we, and our favorite character, get to operate under completely different rules than other people". So, Chloe fans are allowed to endlessly scream about how they hate Thomas Astruc, Marinette, etc., but you're not allowed to talk about how much you hate Chloe. That's the fandom mindset in a nutshell: "rules for thee, but not for me."
So basically, that bully who held you down, spat on you, and threw worms in your face. But crys to the teacher when you punch them once.
Yeah that makes sense.
I’m glad to see someone else hate Chloe as much as me. She’s a complex character but the way people excuse her actions rubs me the wrong way. It’s like, if you show that villains are people too, everyone sympathizes more with them, than the heroes. Why should Marinette make her bully a superhero?
Honestly, I'm just sick of heroes getting crucified and Villians having excuses made for them.
It's honestly almost as bad as people who blame Tony Stark for the actions of Stane (his abusive father figure). Killian (the guy commits Terrroism because Tony was rude) or Quentin beck. (The guy murders children ffs)
This Chloe Stan nonsense is just another link in the chain of people who think being mean makes a character interesting or thinks Marinette not having abusive parents makes her unrelatable. (Honestly that take can fuck off)
Not every character has to be an edgy batman clone.
If you want to see probably most moronic "Chloe sugar" take ever, then check confession 2253 on @western-magical-girl-confessions
“Chloé did nothing wrong. She got rid of Fu, was going to take the box for herself and not Hawk Moth, and only allied with Lila to get what she wanted. It's too bad the writers and the fandom think every character has to be such a goody-two-shoes all the time. Let Chloé become chaotic. Honestly, I'd rather watch more of Chloé than have to deal with any of her D-Tier classmates in the limelight.”
I have no words.
Anonymous asked:
No you didn't say that. But people call Adrien having a Asian fetish for liking Ladybug and Kagami.
Oh right, sorry. I misunderstood.
But yeah, you're right. It's a double standard.
I think it's another example of making up reasons to dislike a character while ignoring their faves toxic traits.