I remember when I first got Harry Potter and the deathly hallows I picked the book up and it accidentally flicked to the last few pages and I quickly shut it because I didn’t want to spoil it for myself but I saw “Ginny kissed Albus” and I remember thinking “fucking plot twist”.
professors of hogwarts 🧙🏼♀️🧙🏼♂️
Art by Vladislav Pantic
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I'm in love with these😍😍😍
(there's a little gay flag in Dumbledore's office and I'm living!!!)
professors of hogwarts 🧙🏼♀️🧙🏼♂️
Art by Vladislav Pantic
Just WOW
I'm in love with these😍😍😍
(there's a little gay flag in Dumbledore's office and I'm living!!!)
Local Professor Nerfed by Boss While Just Trying to Have an Okay Time
I’m not saying this is the moment Snape was thinking about when he killed Dumbledore…but like…
people who argue over whos the better (gay) fictional wizard, gandalf or dumbledore, are BOTH wrong. its merlin from the sword in the stone (1963).
this guy set the bar for wizard characters nearly 60 years ago and he's been killing the game ever since
He has better fashion sense than Dumbledore to be sure
I CANNOT BREATHE
Remus is a fucking dog, I love it
every year at every school party or dumbledore wears something outrageous and severus is profoundly disgusted. albus insists they take pictures everytime. (albus is ridiculously tall AND he uses heels like we’re still in the 70s, while sev is an average bitch). inspired by this post.
The most interesting thing about Harry Potter
…is the fact that Voldemort acquiesces to Snape’s request of, “Please spare Lily.”
…but at the same time, Voldemort clearly didn’t do enough to appease Snape, so Snape went crawling to Dumbledore to receive further help.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen that juxtaposition discussed on here, and crikey, it’s the most interesting thing in the series to me.
What the hell did Voldemort do to make Snape believe he wouldn’t try? What did he do to make think that Dumbledore was a better option?
I mean, what sort of revelation did Snape - as a genuine, paid-up, legitimate Death Eater - go through to think, “Hmm, he’s no help - best pledge my soul to Dumbledore!”
…and then, the sheer insanity of Voldemort actually honouring Snape’s request, when Snape’s spent the past rack of months spying against him.
Damn.
My own personal take on the matter:
I think Voldemort found Snape’s request amusing. And I think that’s why he said he’d spare Lily.
Think about it - Snape’s a couple years out of school, he’s just some jumped-up little stripling of a baby Death Eater. And now he’s asking for a boon, for a favor. It’s hilarious.
But this dirt-poor halfblood must have brass balls to even ask him, and that’s amusing. And after all, Snape gave him the prophecy (or part of it, anyway) and Voldemort is certain now that he can destroy the only credible threat to his power - a helpless infant - and he’s in a good mood. So, he indulges Snape’s request. A little joke.
So, with Voldemort’s word that Lily would be spared, why did Snape suddenly bolt to Dumbledore, his enemy? Why would he risk his very life by going to a man who has every reason to kill him on sight without question?
Firstly, I think Snape was already second-guessing his decision to join Voldemort in the first place, possibly very soon after he finished school and joined the Death Eaters, if not immediately.
Keep in mind Snape’s original motivations with the Death Eaters. He was drawn to the junior Death Eaters in school because he felt powerless, victimized and disrespected. He’s recruited right out of the gate at the age of eleven by Lucius Malfoy, among others. They promise him power, they promise him respect, that he’ll never be that little boy crying in the corner while his muggle father rages over him, or that skinny unpopular kid being dangled upside down and having his pants pulled off by the popular jocks in school ever again. That’s what he was promised.
What did he get? A master. A charismatic “lord” who demands absolute obedience and unquestioning loyalty and who will punish severely anyone who doesn’t toe the line (e.g. Lucius Malfoy after OotP). He’s suddenly in with a pack of back-stabbing jackals lead by a ravenous serpent and all his dreams and ambitions are so much ash.
I think he figures out pretty quickly that Voldemort is in it for Voldemort, and while some are perfectly content to ride his coattails and pick up scraps, Snape - stubborn, prideful, young Severus Snape - is not. But he’s stuck.
So even before the prophecy & Lily being in danger, his own supposed loyalty to Voldemort, even at that point, I think is pretty thin stuff. He was never really a “true believer” in Voldemort or his ideology, not like Bellatrix or the Malfoys, I think, and so I feel like eventually reality just hit him in the face like a sack of wet rags. Not so much a crisis of conscience - that came later with Lily - but a raging case of Buyer’s Remorse, as it were.
But now Lily is in mortal danger and first Snape asks for her life, because he knows it’s absurd but he’ll try anything. Snape knows Voldemort cannot be trusted to keep promises because Voldemort is loyal to no one but himself. And Lily? She doesn’t stand a chance if he should change his mind on a whim. So regardless of what Voldemort said to him, he panics and goes to the only person alive who is powerful enough to defy Voldemort, no matter the risks or cost to Snape himself, because Lily is the only person who was ever kind to him and even though they haven’t spoken in years, he can’t stand the thought of living in a world she does not.
As for why Voldemort actually kept his word and told Lily to stand aside, giving her the chance to live - I think that also amused him. He did not understand love. He found the entire concept laughable and contemptible and I think he took a sick joy in watching his enemies beg, and in watching Lily beg for her son’s life. I think on some level he was also morbidly fascinated by the idea - the ridiculous notion that someone might be willing to die for their child. He probably did not actually expect her to refuse, to willingly give up her own life for someone else (how ridiculous!). More fool him….
Love your Blog ! What are your thoughts about an AU in which Voldemort just stuns Lily and then manages to kill Harry ? How does Severus proceed? Continue to Spy for Dumbledore? Go back to Voldemort?
I’m assuming that Severus still goes to Dumbledore to warn the Potters and beg him to save all of them. This means that he already pledged himself to be a spy in return for Dumbledore’s promise to protect them.
I think that just stunning Lily won’t be enough, I’d assume that since Voldemort was feeling so kind and generous after he killed the one destined to vanquish him, only possible because Snape reported the prophecy to him, then I think that Voldemort wouldn’t just stun Lily. I assume he’d bring her to the stronghold and present her to Severus. As a reward.
And Lily would be so angry, so heart broken that her child and husband are dead and it was all thanks to Snape. Because Voldemort would make sure to rub salt in the wound and make sure she knows that the friend she turned her back to begged for her life, that her former friend delivered the prophecy that killed her husband and child, that Sev, her former best friend, truly did embrace the dark and ruined her life in the process.
I think that Voldemort would give Lily to Snape and would want to make sure that she knew her place. She was an order member and was still a threat so Severus was made aware that he must never let her escape. I still think that Snape would be a spy for Dumbledore, reporting what was happening, informing the Headmaster that he has Lily Potter in custody and the Dark Lord’s minions were watching him for any mistake, because of course his position was heightened and they were waiting for any mistake he makes. It hurt Severus when he has to make sure that Lily believes that she is being kept against her will by a cold and heartless captor. A captor that has to make sure the eyes on him see what they need to see. Maybe he has to pretend like his dear old dad and this nearly breaks him.
I would think that Lily would absolutely hate Snape at this point and it would absolutely destroy him. He avoids her and he stews in his silent self-loathing. The fact that he caused the death of a child, her child, weighs deeply in his conscience.
Maybe Voldemort finally asks if there would be worthy heirs for his line in the coming year and Severus found himself sickened. He sees Lily losing what little life she has in her eyes and he wanted nothing more than to stop it, to make her smile again and bring the light back to the green eyes he knew and loved so much. Maybe even the death of Potter begin to weigh on him because bully or not, James Potter made Lily happy. They had a family that Severus destroyed.
I want him to apologize at her door every night but not having the courage to say it to her face. I want him to be wary of any attempt on his life and sometimes wishing that she succeeded. I would like to think that Severus practically begs Dumbledore for a rescue mission to retrieve Lily. I want Severus to desperately want to tell her that he’s not dark anymore, that he turned away, that he tried to save her family, that he was a spy for the light, for her. But he couldn’t because it would be too risky and maybe her hate was his punishment. He let her anger of him fuel her because it was the only thing keeping her from unleashing hell and trying to kill every death eater she could before she fell.
When the Dark Lord punishes him for letting the order succeed in her rescue, he doesn’t mind the curses. He begs Dumbledore to not tell her the truth. Every time he gives his report, he makes sure that they are alone and there are no other order members that know about him. Maybe he lets his mask slip a little during a raid and she was there, it didn’t matter. When he silently makes sure that Order members don’t get killed, especially her, he doesn’t think much of it.
I want him to maybe keep a journal secured by the strongest wards and curses he knows. A journal where he pretends he was talking to her. Where he could pretend that they were still friends. I want a letter explaining what happened because he needed someone else to know the truth beside Dumbledore and maybe he was feeling selfish and hoped against hope that someone, anyone, might believe him.
When Severus is killed during a raid, Lily finds this journal.
I got carried away with this. And I enjoyed it very much, thank you anon! I hope you liked it too.
Voldemort: Severus, you are my most trusted servant and that’s why I am telling you this vital and extremely sensitive information.
Severus: My lord, my life and loyalty belong to you. I would never even dream of betraying you.
*after he gets back to Hogwarts*
Severus: Hey Albus omg you wouldn’t believe what this bitch is planning asdjfjskshdkak
Original Poster.. .. Did… Did Dumbledore let Sirius go to Azkaban without a trial and then imprison him in his House, so that Harry would have no choice but to go to the Dursleys and be protected by lily’s sacrifice?
Snater comment… what always messes me up is that Dumbledore was completely alright with forgiving Snape. Although Snape was a death eater and he only “converted” because he thought Lily was in danger. So dumbledore has always only helped people who he has use for. He didn’t have any particular use for Sirius and hence didn’t even bother with trying to prove his innocence.
Another Snater…Absolutely agree and as well as that he had Snape who was in Voldemort’s inner circle who would have known who the spy was and didn’t even once think to ask him….. but then again Snape being the spiteful person he was probably wouldn’t have told Dumbledore the truth anyway…
Me… Snape did not know Wormtail was in with Voldemort , no one did, Karkaroff himself said no one, but Voldemort himself, knew who all the DE were. I do not belive Snape would allow wormtail walk around freely, knowing he was spying on the Potter’s with intent to sell them to Voldy? No way. How he managed not to kill Wormtail when he was living with him during HBP I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️. Everyone, even Dumbledore thought Sirius was guilty of the murders and the spying. Only when Harry and that, explained to Dumby about the map and wormtail did he believe Sirius to be innocent.
Yes, Snape converted because Lily was in danger… So? What’s the problem there? Sirius only loved Harry becuase he was James’ son, Dumbledore only cared for Harry becuase he was the chosen one, Narcissa only saved Harry because she wanted her son.. So what? There’s always a reason why, doesn’t make said person bad becuase that’s why they done something. I don’t see Sirius or Dumbledore giving a toss about Neville or the other war children.
🤦♀️🤦♀️🙄🙄
What I find funny, is that the OP has nothing to do with Snape and yet….. Let’s Snape bash anyway.
why would you distort “Severus changed sides because of Lily” to “Severus only changed sides because of Lily”? Trying to save someone you care about is a pretty good reason imo.
This argument annoys me too because I think I can see where it stems from, and I disagree with the idea behind it. The idea being that a good person should care about everyone equally and not care about someone more than others. I despise that sentiment deeply (DEEPLY) and I think it’s been used to guilt-trip people rather a lot. And don’t get me wrong, some human beings might work like that, I wouldn’t know. Some relgions are very keen to encourage people to want to work like that, as are movements and organizations, and sometimes you follow this line of thought until you reach Utilitarianism. Or trolley problems. Would you let 500 people die so that your best friend may live? Would you push your best friend in front of the train so that the 500 people may live? Most of us don’t think in trolley problems. Or, frankly, don’t naturally care about the greater good more than we care about our best friend. And because one’s man holiness is another man’s inhumanity, caring about everyone equally is not even what most of us aspire to.
There is a relevant passage by Orwell that says “To an ordinary human being, love means nothing if it does not mean loving some people more than others” and I think that the beauty of that sentiment is generally twisted when it comes to Snape Discourse (wow do I hate those words) and it makes me fucking mad.
Or whatever, I guess.
I have opinions and I am not holy. (She says, banging her fists on the table)
Trolley Problems are interesting to me because they force us to confront our definitions of morality. What do these choices say about me, about what I value? Why do I sacrifice my friend for 50 but not 10? Why do I hesitate more when asked to push my best friend rather than simply change the track? Do I choose to value children or adults or dogs or men or women? Who am I to say I’m a good person?
We have an example of a person who always aces the Trolley Problem in the Potterverse: Dumbledore. And on one hand, that makes him a great general, a great strategist, the one and only Leader of the Light. On the other hand, that makes him feel morally icky. He’s willing to raise a child like a pig for slaughter. He’s willing to purposely stymie any chance for growth or happiness for a human being so that he can keep his perfect spy. He makes these decisions and directs the Trolley with a coldness that I only see matched when Voldemort himself says “I regret it.”
Alternatively, Snape is interesting because he LIVES the Trolley Problem. His JOB is to watch people die, and later to kill Dumbledore, so that he can save more people later. And he does this, oh he does it. He lets the Trolley run over those whom he could not save.
But ONLY those whom he could not save.
Severus lives in DEFIANCE of the Trolley Problem. He snatches people from the tracks. He’s given the option to push someone down or let others die and throws himself over the edge instead. He sees no-win scenarios and tries to find a loophole, any loophole, because this is his line in the sand and he’ll be damned if he crosses it.
Of course, in the end, he has to cross it. He has to tell Harry to go to his fate. But that’s the beauty of Severus’ response to the Trolley Problem. He will do what he has to “for the greater good”, spy and lie and kill and die, but he will not give into the comforting falsehood that the lesser of two evils is a good. He will stand, back straight and soul torn to shreds, look himself in the eye and say, “It was wrong. It was the best choice, but it was wrong, and it was what I chose.”
That is what makes Severus different from Dumbledore. That is what allows his redemption arc to exist. And that is what makes him one of the strongest, most moral characters that I have ever known.
This is so beautiful.
Nobody is good enough to get a point from Snape.
NOBODY.
Well Dumbledore was giving points away like candies on halloween, someone had to make it a bit in balance