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anghraine

I'm drafting a long semi-headcanon post as I try to phrase it properly, but I'm tired right now so I'll just leave you with the conclusion:

Mr Bennet has made Elizabeth into the closest feasible approximation of the son he wanted and never had, and relates to her through that framework as much as possible. Meanwhile, Lady Catherine can't quite acknowledge that her literal daughter is a disappointment to her, and instead just openly fantasizes about a totally unrecognizable version of Anne that has never existed. Her real spiritual daughter is Darcy.

I'm delighted this struck a chord after I went to sleep! I still haven't finished the post in question, but I did find the tags I didn't post last night:

#mr bennet and lady catherine as foils for each other and also shadow selves for elizabeth and darcy is such a thing for me #still wild to me that elizabeth and darcy are so often read in such painfully gender essentialist ways #when the extreme of elizabeth's flaws of self-aggrandizing wit and cloaking bitterness in superiority and jokes is so clearly mr bennet #yes she has significant qualities in common with her mother and lydia but the most present danger is becoming her father #even her infatuation w/ wickham (which i think is often used to present mrs bennet as the 'real' representation of elizabeth at her worst) #is like... he's beautiful and easygoing and she sees what she wants to see in that. which is exactly how mr bennet ended up married #to mrs bennet #and meanwhile the novel is SO emphatic that anne is nothing like lady catherine. shockingly unlike even! #even georgiana isn't really. only darcy is. #lady catherine herself is characterized almost point for point as 'what if [canon darcy trait] but worse' #and lady catherine goes on about what anne /would have/ done and dictating her au fanfic about healthy anne #but i think the reality is that lady catherine's ideal fantasy anne is just darcy - or at least lady catherine's idea of who darcy is #anne marrying darcy (and making him lady catherine's son) is the next best thing. but in her perfect world he'd be her daughter.

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thundergrace

This was very lovely to wake up to. It's completely legit, in the replies people posted videos and pictures of the 'walk for El Vaquita', the fake protest to get El Vaquita desperately needed medical attention.

The comments in the tweet lead to celebration of a another Chilean comrade doggo named Negro Matapacos. And this is exactly the kind of education I want this month.

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disastergay

I love him. also

same energy

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STOP RECOMMENDING ME READER INSERTS TUMBLR!!!! LEAVE ME ALONE!!!

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neververy4

BEFORE YOU CLICK A LINK!

Reblog this post :) Especially if you’re on mobile, you’ll lose the post if you click the link without thinking. Take a note from your elders before you

Interesting note: It definitely uses whoever you're following now, not at that date. Even the 2020 one includes a lot of people I was absolutely not following yet in Feb 2020, which is actually kind of cool, I can see what they were reblogging from this fandom before I got into it.

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For the past several years (and perhaps longer) in the P&P fandom I've seen a lot of people who want to rehabilitate Mrs. Bennet: like, sure, she's uncouth and seems greedy, but it's because she cares so much about her daughters' futures; her situation is actually really stressful and uncertain and she's powerless to change it and her husband makes fun of her, and so it's natural that it would cause her to be anxious all the time; maybe she doesn't have the intelligence or social awareness to understand that her behaviour is actually harming her daughters' prospects, but at least her heart is in the right place.

I'm usually not the type of person who argues that fandom is actually being too nice to a female character, but in this case I don't buy the counter-narrative (which I think is popular enough at this point to be fanon / a narrative in itself) about Mrs. Bennet.

For one thing, she was never really powerless in this situation. These people are rich even for gentry. Mr. Bennet's income was always good, at 2,000 pounds per annum (even though I can't believe he isn't neglecting some practices that could raise it higher). Mrs. Bennet had 4,000 pounds from her parents and a further 1,000 from Mr. Bennet. Invested in the 4 per cents (for example), this is 200 pounds per year in pin money that Mrs. Bennet could spend without touching the principle of her dowry, and without affecting Mr. Bennet's income. This is more than some people's entire yearly incomes.

The picture of Mr. and Mrs. Bennet that we get in P&P is not of people who are helpless against their circumstances, but of people who are extraordinarily neglectful. We're told that:

Mr. Bennet had very often wished, before this period of his life, that, instead of spending his whole income, he had laid by an annual sum, for the better provision of his children, and of his wife, if she survived him. [...] When first Mr. Bennet had married, economy was held to be perfectly useless; for, of course, they were to have a son. This son was to join in cutting off the entail, as soon as he should be of age, and the widow and younger children would by that means be provided for. Five daughters successively entered the world, but yet the son was to come; and Mrs. Bennet, for many years after Lydia’s birth, had been certain that he would. This event had at last been despaired of, but it was then too late to be saving. Mrs. Bennet had no turn for economy; and her husband’s love of independence had alone prevented their exceeding their income.

We also know that the "continual presents in money which passed to [Lydia] through her mother’s hands," plus her allowance and food, amount to about 90 pounds per year. Rather than saving up from the beginning in case the entail is not broken, rather than beginning to save once it's clear a son will not arrive, rather than making Jane's dowry the full 5,000 from her mother (which would be something) and saving up for the younger girls' dowries thereafter—which is what would be typical, and that's why Lady Catherine was so shocked that all the girls were out at once—Mrs. Bennet's housekeeping, dress, the girls' allowance, presents of money over and above their allowance, plus whatever Mr. Bennet is spending money on (and other expenses relating to servants, carriages, maintenance &c. which are unavoidable), add up to their entire income. The only reason why Mrs. Bennet doesn't overspend even that is that that's where Mr. Bennet puts his foot down.

Mrs. Bennet is actively harming her daughters' prospects, not even of marriage, but of living respectably if they don't marry, because she doesn't have the temperance not to spend all of the income that is allotted to her. It is the role of the woman in a marriage to take charge of the housekeeping, servants, cooking, furniture, and all expenses relating thereto (plus certain attentions to her tenants and any living in genteel poverty in the area, though presumably this will depend on her income and whether there's a parish church with a parson's wife who's doing some of these things). She's an adult who should be competent to manage these things in a reasoned way without needing to be dictated to.

It is supposed to be the role of the woman in a marriage to take charge of her daughters' education—and yet Mrs. Bennet did not hire a governess, and Elizabeth says that she didn't spend much time teaching her daughters anything (it's not clear to what degree she's educated herself). Granted, the girls did have masters—but, from the sounds of things, that was only if they requested them. No one was required to learn much of anything, which will probably further harm the marriage prospects of the girls who "chose to be idle."

I think the "point" of Mrs. Bennet is that she is one half of one type of bad marriage which the novel illustrates, in contrast with the Gardiners' marriage. These marriages are two possible models for the Bennet daughters to look to. At one point, Elizabeth's prospective marriage is explicitly compared to her parents', with her in the role of her father: Mr. Bennet says "My child, let me not have the grief of seeing you unable to respect your partner in life" (emphasis original).

We might wonder whether Elizabeth saw herself potentially in the role of her father, in a marriage that was very intellectually unequal, when she rejected Mr. Collins; or whether she also saw herself in the role of her mother, married to a man who insults and doesn't respect her, when she rejected Mr. Darcy. Ultimately, she accepts Mr. Darcy after she realises that he is nothing like her father; that he is diligent in attending to his responsibilities, and that he does evidently respect her mind.

This isn't me defending Mr. Bennet, who is also a bad parent and a bad spouse. I do, however, find it a little disturbing when people suggest that Mr. Bennet is at fault for not controlling or curtailing his wife. His wife is a grown woman. Surely we don't actually believe that a situation where a man is legally in complete control over his wife, merely because he is a man and she is a woman, is in any way natural, moral, or just? (This also goes for people who suggest that Mr. Bingley needs to get his sister 'in line' 😬😬😬.)

Mrs. Bennet should be competent to manage her household and her daughters. Given that she's not, yes, Mr. Bennet, according to Georgian and Victorian ideas of the role of a man in a marriage, "should" have stepped in and started dictating to her. But I don't really think that's what Austen is suggesting went wrong here. The models of good marriages we have—the Gardiners, the Bingleys and Darcys after their weddings—are all ones in which the women were basically sensible people to begin with. In the latter two cases, we are told of particular ways in which the men stand to benefit from some mental quality of their future spouse (Elizabeth's good humour and ease in company; Jane's steadiness and determination).

The ideal which some Georgians had of a husband's role being to shape his wife's intellect doesn't seem to be what's being advocated here. If Mr. Bennet made a mistake, it was in marrying a silly, selfish, ill-tempered woman to begin with, not in failing to browbeat her into submission once he found out that she was silly, selfish, and ill-tempered. The idea is that you should choose your spouse carefully. But that message doesn't work if Mrs. Bennet is just a woman in a difficult situation who has her heart in the right place.

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casyawn

my mom just had a 7cm brain tumor removed and since she's woken up she's been talking nonstop about this dream she had about going to an art gallery full of colourful paintings by a 'homosexual artist' named klimsdorf who was ethereal and wise, both young and old... at first she was convinced he was a real person but after failing to find him online she's accepted he was a figment of her subconscious mind and is now determined to bring him to life via painting his portrait herself. she's 67 and has never drawn in her life. and now this. blorbo from her tumor

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drawerbread

bury me in an unmarked grave

(aka gideon dealing with rejection aka me thinking about the fact that gideon's ultimate act of love is the ultimate act of betrayal for harrow)

details under cut!

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spockslash

How did you personally react to Spock’s death in Wrath of Khan and not knowing that he was coming back, before Search for Spock was released ? LLAP :-)

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I went through a serious grieving period, like losing a very close friend with whom my life had been entwined for 15 years. It was rough!

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This is one time I am glad I wasn’t born then. I don’t know how I would have coped.

Word got out well in advance that Spock was going to die in the film. There was a sizable organized movement in fandom to boycott the movie as a result.

Paramount backpedaled then, and dropped hints that all was not as it seemed and maybe he wouldn’t “really” die.

That is why the line was placed at the beginning of the film, when Jim sees Spock immediately after the Kobiashi Maru: “Aren’t you dead?

That line was written straight to the fans. So we didn’t know if that was it – if that was what was meant by maybe he wouldn’t really die.

The emotional memory is burnt like a scar, and I can remember like it was yesterday the feeling in the pit of my stomach – dared I to hope? – when Jim spoke those words. I spent the rest of the movie leaning forward in my seat, praying to the universe “Please let that be it. Please let that be Spock’s ‘death.’ Please, please, please.”

But the moment Spock got that look on the bridge, then stood up and walked down to engineering, I knew. Everyone knew. I remember people starting to cry in the theater as soon as he went into the reactor chamber.

As for me, I spent the rest of the weekend lying on my bed staring at the ceiling. I can so clearly remember how worried my husband was, and him sitting beside me asking, “Are you going to be ok?” And me: “Of course I’m not going to be ok! SPOCK IS DEAD!!” And then crying. It was just awful.

However one good thing did come of it for me personally. After thinking I have to do something, I can’t just wallow in grief, I basically thought “what would Spock do?”

And that’s when I got serious about meditating and it became a daily practice that serves me to this day.

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lspingles

Anyone else out there remember what they felt?  It was just as described.  I started crying the moment Spock left the bridge knowing he was going to sacrifice himself somehow.  It was the only movie I did not see more than once in the theatre because I could not go through it again.  My friends and family did not know what to say to me.  The only thing they knew for certain was saying “But he is just a fictional character” was not the correct response.  Spock is real, not just an ideal, to me. 

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emi--rose

I was not allowed to watch star trek until my mom and grandpa thought I was mature enough to watch wrath of khan and get it. I remember so clearly sitting down to watch it with my mom and grandpa, starting to cry, and looking over and realizing that they were both weeping too. It was one of those bonding moments that make me cherish star trek so much. (And I gotta say, “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one” was a mantra that got me through some stuff. I imprinted hard.) I identified really, really hard with Spock as a lonely, bullied, autistic weird kid, and wrath of khan made me see what made the character tick and showed me something about myself too.

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