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I'm Cinnia, late 20s, she/her, a fan of the health sciences and many other things, and a former quiet kid who was abducted by the theater people. This blog is a semi-queued experiment to vent my endless energy for fandoms, LGBT+ content, writing, languages, religion analysis and ExMormon content, dancing, mental health, etc. I also run the Grate Scoff food blog as well as the Incorrect Rings of Power and Incorrect Thornfruit Quotes blogs.
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thefrogman

1980s Aviators

Taking a photo of something with two mirrors is not easy. And this was my first success at shooting a mirrored subject like this. And then the 80s color palette is just for vibes.

@yapurplegirl The breakdown is here. Now.

Because I will break it down for you in this post.

Glossy and semi glossy surfaces are some of the toughest things to deal with in product photography.

And pure mirrored surfaces, well... those can ruin your day.

I think people thought I was using mirrors to do this effect (and sometimes mirrors are used to reflect light), but I meant the glasses had mirrored lenses. So I was basically taking a photo of two mirrors—which is a huge pain in the patoot.

And my double mirrors were curved, so they were reflecting nearly half of my studio.

Which is exactly why I chose them. I wanted to learn how to do it.

Photographing mirrors is most frustrating when they are directly reflecting into your camera lens. But we product photographers try to use angles when possible to avoid having to Photoshop our heads and cameras out of the shot (though sometimes that is unavoidable).

And if you can't shop yourself out of the mirror shot, then you have to get creative...

If you aren't a product photographer and you need to take a picture of a mirror, people have come up with some fun solutions (as seen on r/peoplesellingmirrors )

You can try to be sneaky...

You can try to be artistic...

Ah! A ghost!

Some will recruit their pets and kids...

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The knowledge of some common plants

Since many people don't know most of the plants around them, this is information on some plants that are commonly seen in many places throughout the world

  • This is Lamium purpureum, also called Purple Deadnettle.
  • It's called deadnettle because it looks like a nettle but it doesn't sting you
  • This plant is a winter annual—it grows its leaves in the fall, lasts through the winter, and blooms and dies in the spring
  • Its pollen is reddish orange. If you see bees with their heads stained reddish orange, it is likely because they have visited Purple Deadnettle
  • This is Trifolium repens, white clover
  • It is a legume (belongs to the bean family) and fixes nitrogen using symbiosis with bacteria that live in little nodules on its roots, fertilizing the soil
  • It is a good companion plant for the other members of a lawn or garden since it is tough, adaptable, and improves soil quality. According to my professor it used to be in lawn mixes, until chemical companies wanted to sell a new herbicide that would kill broadleaved plants and spare grass, and it was slandered as a weed :(
  • It is native only to Europe and Central Asia, but in the lawns they are doing more good than harm most places
  • Honeybees love to visit clover
  • Four-leaf clovers are said to be lucky
  • This is Achillea millefolium, Common Yarrow
  • It has had a relationship with humans since Neanderthals were around, at least 60,000 years, since Neanderthals have been found buried with Yarrow
  • Its leaves have been used to stop bleeding throughout history, and its scientific name comes from how Achilles was said to have used Yarrow to stop the blood from the wounds of his soldiers. A leaf rolled into a ball has been used to stop nosebleeds
  • It is a native species all throughout Eurasia and North America
  • This is Cichorium intybus, known as Chicory
  • The leaves look a lot like dandelion leaves, until in mid-spring when it begins growing a woody green stem straight up into the air
  • Like many other weeds, it has a symbiotic relationship with humans, existing in a mix of domesticated or partially domesticated and wild populations
  • It is native to Eurasia, but widespread in North America on roadsides and disturbed places, where it descended from cultivated plants
  • Its root contains large amounts of inulin, which is used as a sweetener and fiber supplement (if you look at the ingredients on the granola bars that have extra fiber, they usually are partly made of chicory root) and has also been used as a coffee substitute
  • A large variety of bees like to feed upon it
  • This is Phytolacca americana, known as Pokeweed
  • It is easily identified by its huge leaves and its waxy, bright magenta stem
  • It can grow more than nine feet tall from a sprout in a single summer!
  • If you squish the berries, the juice inside is a shocking magenta that is so bright it almost burns your eyes. For this reason many Native American people used it for pink and purple dye.
  • It is a heavy metal hyperaccumulator, particularly good for removing cadmium from the soil
  • All parts of the plant are poisonous and will make you very sick if you eat them, however if the leaves are picked when very young and boiled 3 times, changing out the water each time, they can be eaten, and this is a traditional food in the rural American Southeast, but I don't want to chance it
  • British people have introduced it as a pretty, exotic ornamental plant. I think that is very funny considering that here it is a weed associated with places where poor people live, but maybe they're right and I need to look closer to see the beauty.
  • If you see magenta stains in bird poop it is because they ate pokeweed berries- birds can safely eat the berries whereas humans cannot
  • This is Plantago lanceolata, Ribwort Plantain
  • It grows in heavily disturbed soils, in fact it is considered an indicator of agricultural activity. It is successful in the poorest, heaviest and most compacted soil.
  • The leaves, seeds, and flower heads are said to be edible but the leaves are really stringy unless they are very young. Of course, it is important to be careful when eating wild plants, and make sure you have identified the plant correctly and the soil is not contaminated
  • I have also heard the strings in the leaves can be extracted and used for textile purposes

and that's some common plants you might often see throughout the world

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reblogged

OMG LOL???

Taking a brief break to record progress

The boop meter seems to progrsss on a scale of

30 > 100 > 300 > 700 > MAX > LOL > OMG

Of gives, the appearance only changes based on gives, but the revived seems to follow the same process

Additionally there are two badges I’ve unlocked so far! Let’s see if there’s more, I doubt so since staff seem to have all the badges pre unlocked

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Yall don’t even know what fucked up shits been going on

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Ladies and Gentlemen and Y’all else who may

We got a tumblr

See it in its original splendour down there

The order seems to be

30 > 100 > 300 > 700 > MAX > LOL > OMG > WOW > *-* > WHY > PLZ > AAA > ;_; > 0_0 > T_T > <33 > TUM/BLR

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I didn’t use an autoclicker because I started at 2am when it dropped, had no idea it was April fools, got an instant adrenaline high that lasted for four straight hours (the blood pressure has not done my legs any good) and just went apeshit

If you do this manually like me, I thoroughly recommend using a gaming controller, or anything with a trigger input on pc, I have a steamdeck so I used that. You’ll also be there for at least 6 hours ngl.

I probably could’ve been more efficient but I didn’t want to over spam people and wanted to fairly distribute clicks, have fun!

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Learning about plants has made my biopunk novel much more complicated like damn now I have to think about all the species and stuff

Generically vague settings are ruined for me forever. do y'all have any idea how specific the plant life in an area gets???

*Stares at the plants in novel set in fictional place with suspicion and criticism*

actually, i wanna talk about nature tropes in fantasy/otherwise "speculative" media because fiction has these stock tropes about nature that are so universal throughout everything from books to video games, and it turns out that they have nothing to do with reality

For starters, did y'all know that (with the exception of one species) cacti are ONLY native to the Americas, and deserts on all other continents have NO CACTI?

Does that mean that Africa, in similar situations, mostly has spiky shrubs (without those water-consuming green things called leaves) and yams-like storage roots?

Or are there further concepts?

What does Australia do?

I know about succulents, and that they're also fairly common in the Alps (I don't know if they're native there, but the local name, "Hauswurz" - literally "house root" or "home root" - indicates as much).

Which aren't deserts in the narrower sense, but also not exactly known for rich flora, due to the altitude, low amount of topsoil, and cold.

Have you reached a level that permits you to see patterns that shape plant life in an area? It sounds a bit like you're in an area of frequent enlightenment...

Well the thing about plants is that they are much, MUCH weirder than animals are about radically altering and reshuffling their basic body forms and plans over the course of evolution, even within the same genus.

If you saw this plant, what would you assume its closest relatives are?

If you answered "violets," good job! This is Viola atropurpurea, from the same genus as your common backyard violets.

This is weird. Can we talk about how weird this is? This is like if tigers and lions shared the genus Panthera with some kind of tiny aquatic salamander-like thing.

Cacti are a specific plant family. Succulent plants have convergently evolved approximately a billion times and come from (almost) every corner of the plant family tree. The universality of cacti as the iconic Desert Plant has much to do with the average person not knowing the great variety of desert adapted plants, and mentally categorizing unrelated succulent plants as cacti because "cactus" is the closest word they have.

Desert plants are weird y'all. A ton of them look like weird mushroom- or barrel-like bulges and tubes. Like, just look at this thing.

This is called "Sand Food" and it's edible

This is Yareta and there are no photos of it that are like "Yeah that is a normal, real thing." (It's not moss! It's a flowering plant!)

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weaver-z

Prison guards: Iroh? Escape? Ha! That weak, senile old man couldn’t escape if we rolled a red carpet to the door!

Iroh alone in his cell:

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ramblingcj

I saw the video and thought "that guy looks like Jack Black", then I scrolled down to read that. Yup, sure was Jack Black. Also yes, the above is actually true, his mother Judith Love Cohen did indeed help create the abort-guidance system that rescued the Apollo 13 astronauts.

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5bi5

Wait does this mean people are unfamiliar with this iconic post

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brosef

Oh hey, I'm in a screenshot.

That's appropriate, since Jack Black himself is like a chair to the back.

That’s appropriate,

since Jack Black himself is like

a chair to the back.

Beep boop! I look for accidental haiku posts. Sometimes I mess up.

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12u3ie

I just went on a rant about plungers, how’s your day going?

“go off bestie”? Okay, I will.

This is a plunger.

Classic red cup with a wooden stick. We all know it, love it, and have seen a cartoon character using it to unclog a toilet. Right?

WRONG.

The image above is actually a drain plunger, used on sinks, showers, and baths. Not on toilets.

These are a toilet plungers.

Take note of the variations. Each of them have a flange of sorts at the bottom, either connected via a cup or more accordion-like tube. These are designed to actually get down into the toilet bowl where it flushes down, giving it more space and leverage to unclog blockages. See the example below:

Notice how the flange allows it to go deeper into the toilet to provide more power to the plunge. Sink/drain plungers are far less efficient and effective at the task.

Sink plungers can also have an accordion shape to help with power in plunging, but crucially do not have or need the flange that toilet plungers do.

To recap: cup plungers are for sinks, showers, bathtubs, and other drains. Flange and accordion plungers are for toilets. Notably, accordion plungers are slightly harder to use, but are more powerful when used correctly than their flange counterparts.

So the next time you see a cartoon, video game, or stock art depicting a cup plunger being used on a toilet, you can feel the same levels of anger and emotion that I do!

why does this have nearly 100 notes

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callmebliss

Because with this level of passion, containment is futile 

The real question is why does this not have a million notes? This is information that will very likely, at some point, be incredibly useful to anyone who has indoor plumbing. Which is, you know, probably, 99.99% of this website's user base. (I'm sure there's someone out there using Tumblr who lives in a house built in 1850 which never got upgraded and they still have an outhouse rather than toilet.)

Twelve i swear to fucking god that this post had like. 3k last week . what happened

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tbh i don't really get why we divide the oceans into different oceans because they're all connected it's the same ocean

no metaphor here just pure confusion...is there a line where one ocean stops and another begins? or is it like a smooth gradient of percentages of one ocean shading into another ocean?

Yes, there is a line. There are confluences you can see and touch and they are NOT subtle in the slightest.

That's the Atlantic and the Caribbean on a particularly pronounced day.

This is the Indian and the Pacific. It's not always this obvious everywhere but the dividing lines are very much there.

Oceans have their own properties as far as temperature and salinity and unless something like a storm or a current forces them to mix they won't. Mostly this applies to vertical mixing and it gives you things like thermoclines and haloclines but water is wierd and won't mix horizontally either.

The ocean basins tend to have their own currents that go in a circle and define that ocean, and those patterns mix the water within that ocean. Like a washing machine.

The Caribbean has a little loop of its own that not on this map, but that current keeps that ocean pretty internally consistent. It's got clear warm water because of the shallow bowl of limestone sand it sits in. Where it meets the Atlantic with wildly different conditions the water is traveling in opposite directions, and it acts kind of like an oncoming lane of highway traffic. Species that have adapted to a narrow band of temperatures and salinities (most fish) can't cross, while species with a stronger homeostasis hang out there on purpose, (marine mammals, turtles, sharks). Plankton, that cannot control their horizontal movement in the water column, are held in their home territories by these barriers.

This is cool as fuck

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Architecture is one of those fields that’s perpetually on the border of “You’re all full of shit” to me. This is an NYC office building that was built in 1977:

Apparently that little circular doohickey up top was, at the time, a revolutionary departure from modern design principles and had every prominent architect at the time absolutely furious for that reason. 46 years on and it’s seen as an architectural treasure that made the NYC Landmark list.

It’s. A circle. Literally just a circle. I don’t get it.

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gpuzzle

I can explain this, but you have to start with the understanding that this entire thing is a gigantic in-joke of a piss take. This is going to be long.

First, you need to understand about ornamentation. Ornamentation is anything in a building that is basically a slightly superfluous detail.

In this colonial revival house (which is supremely balanced and has very clean lines), you can notice how the bottom windows have these clean ornamentations at the top, the way the columns fan out into a small design; the way the dormer windows have their own different style of decor complete with arch and keystone! That’s the ornamentation, it’s the small touches of structural decor. The majority of the time, they were there because they were needed to support something, to give additional support

Modernism changes that. The arrival of concrete and steel on architecture means you can explore structures that were never possible before, ways of getting light into a room that were never possible before, shapes that were never possible before; it basically heralds a new era entirely. For instance, Louis Sullivan’s National Farmer’s Bank of Owatonna, though a late entry into modernism (1908!):

Look how none of the voids (windows and doors!) have any sort of ornamentation. There is some ornamentation around the corners, sure, and while the ornaments themselves are very baroque and refined, there’s also a textural element on the tiling itself being patterned. But that’s very up-close detailing, or very far away detailing. You end up with a mix of the shape and texture being where detailing is explored, less so the ornamentation of before. Importantly, none of that ornamentation is, in any way, shape, or form, anything that is fundamentally structural. It’s become nearly superfluous.

And this keeps developing and developing and you arrive at things like skyscrapers. Sullivan may have been the father of the skyscraper, but I can think of no better follower than the trio of Shreve, Lamb & Harmon, who are most notable for the Empire State Building, but 500 5th Avenue may be the most direct example of what I’m talking about:

This modern-day ziggurat is almost all shape - the mullions (those vertical lines dividing windows) are largely decorative, and the ornamentation is very minimal and only serves to bring forward the shapes - notice how they only exist in what’s essentially the ceiling of each floor!

So we’ve established that ornamentation is steadily going away and no longer en vogue because architects are exploring the limits of shape itself, and they’re exploring unusual textures. But fast forward some 50 years, and this has become the singular architectural style that even exists. And a trio (Denise Scott Brown, Robert Venturi, and Steven Izenour) go to Las Vegas on a trip and come back with post-modernism. The idea is that buildings are either decorated sheds (ornamented houses) or ducks (buildings where the shape itself is the draw). The duck is a bit of joke to Americana - they passed by a duck building where the entire point was that it was a duck. There’s a disagreement, but even among the detractors, you’re going to see a more humorous take on Modernism. They’re going to make buildings that resemble other aspects of buildings, or other buildings, or whatever. It’s extremely in-jokey. It’s amazing.

Venturi and Scott Brown’s first major work is the Guild House, which is an apartment for the elderly. See if you can spot the joke:

Did you get it? The entire 5-story building is topped off with a colossal arch, treating the balconies like a void that you have to add an ornament on top. It’s a call back to the windows that we saw on the colonial house! This is a joke for a specific audience, but goddamn it’s really funny.

So the post-modernists are basically gonna set up jokes with architectural elements and play with aspects of it. It’s architecture for architecture nerds. It’s so obviously trying to be clever, and I love it.

Which brings us back to 550 Madison Avenue, by Johnson and Burgee, at the top of this post. The circle isn’t just the circle. It’s the entire slope and circle. The thing crowning the building. And you’ve seen it above doorframes and windows in a number of places.

The thing atop this dormer is called a pediment. It’s that mini roof. In this case we have a standard apex (the top) and a broken base (the bottom). This means that the top is connected and doesn’t recede to let in any ornamentation, but the bottom is broken up into two parts to let in the ornamentation.

On top of this door, you have a pediment broken on the apex. It’s filled in by that egg-like thing.

But what if you put a gigantic broken pediment one with no ornament on top of a building?

And there we have it. 550 Madison, a gigantic, supremely large scale shitpost, brought to you by technological advancements in construction and shifting design philosophies. “This skyscraper is structured like a window” is a really funny gag to pull if you’re the kind of person who actively has the same degree of architecture nerdery that I do. And architecture is one of the most common forms of art that you can observe and pull apart on your daily life.

Architecture is one of those things where because its so aggressively public, communal, and (seemingly) long lasting, its design should be equally so. But it turns out architects are just a bunch of little guys doing their weird hobby shit like everyone else, with back-and-forth fuck you’s to match. And that’s beautiful, it should never change.

everyone who ever asked “is that a bad joke?” of some bit of bad 20th century architecture feeling p. vindicated by this post

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dduane

I was there when this thing was being built. My GOD but the ruckus about it! It was hilarious. :)

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memewhore

This will haunt my nightmares.

Squelch! Squelch is the technical shorthand for noise gating. Your antenna will constantly pick up ambient noise, which is useless and annoying to listen to all day while you wait for a call. Squelch tells the radio to mute the speakers if the overall power of the signal coming through is below a certain level. You twiddle your squelch until it just cuts out ambient noise, and when someone tries to talk to you the extra power from their signal will go above your squelch setting and it'll unmute so you can hear whoever's calling you.

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Imagine an alien sharing a cool human fact they just learned like ”hey guys did you know that the silvery markings on humans actually aren’t true stripes? They’re called stretch marks, they happen when the human is growing fast enough to actually outgrow their skin, which is apparently something that just fucking happens to almost all of them at some point of their life.”

and another one is like ”wait so you’re saying humans don’t have stripes.”

”actually they do, but the stripes are invisible. There’s genetic code that’d give them stripes but they’re just the same colour as the rest of the skin. So the visible stripes are not real stripes and the real stripes are invisible.”

”I swear if you tell me one more weird human thing today I’m beating your ass.”

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thantos1991

The human in the room looks up and goes "Wait I have stripes?"

"what do you mean cats can see them, but I can't?"

what do you fucking mean cats can see them

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beenovel

I WENT THROUGH THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS

MY CAT THINKS I HAVE STRIPES?!?!?!?

NO NO ITS NOT "IT THINKS I HAVE THEM"

BECAUSE WE DO APPARENTLY

SO ITS ACTUALLY A VERY DISTRESSED "MY CAT THINKS I KNOW I HAVE STRIPES?!?!?!"

AND I THINK THATS A BIT WORSE TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST

MY CAT KNEW I HAD STRIPES BEFORE I DID?!?!?!?!?!?

I DIDNT THINK OF THAT

WELL I DID AND NOW I CANT UNTHINK IT

@beenovel @messiambrandybuck these are the variants

apparently there's a disease where they become visable, and these are the most common kind??

Ngl it looks cool but???? I'm still in shock tbh

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hachama

I NEED TO KNOW WHAT PATTERN OF STRIPES I HAVE AND THE CATS WON'T TELL ME

I COULD HAVE A CHECKERBOARD ON MY BACK AND NO ONE WOULD KNOW???

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demonoflight

They’re called Blaschko's lines!!!

The reverse can also be true ... kinda.

I remember reading somehwre the human eye can see more shades of green than any other colour. I just googled it and the human eye can see 10 Million different shades of green.

So human could see stripes and patterns on, say, a reptillian race who maybe can’t see as many colours as we do, and think they’re just one boring shade of green.

Human: We have stripes?! I wish I could see them. I hope they look like yours.

Reptile Alien: Wait, I HAVE STRIPES!

*mutual excitement all around*

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I tend to agree with the first sentiment, and more importantly, I think people with a connection to Bedouin tribes and the cultural association with ‘asil’ horses feel this way, which is one of the reasons that the Arabian Horse Manifesto exists.

 The West really doesn’t want to let go of the large amount of investiture it’s put into the mythology of the Arabian, though. It’s been associated with the elite of Western society for a long, long time, and I’m sure there’s a fascinating analysis to be made on the intersections between the wealthy elite and the Arabian horse as a status symbol, and the way it has in recent decades proliferated to the ‘lower’ classes while still retaining its association with the nobility and gentry of bygone eras.

The blueprint for modern type of Arabian can, imo, (and I know @mylittlehony has thoughts on this) be laid at the feet of Lady Judith Wentworth and the bizarre - and even ruthless - ways in which she rewrote the history of the horses, engaged in shady breeding practices, retouched her horses to create a fantasy, and sold the repacked and decidedly orientalist western mythos of the noble Arabian as a show creature.

I am 100% passing this one off to @mylittlehony who has a much more coherent argument than I do, which essentially boils down to “!%!$# ol’ Judith” lol

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mylittlehony

Ahhh, Lady Wentworth. Baroness Wentworth, by the end of her life. The only surviving child of Lady Anne Blunt and her husband Wilfrid, a poet, a political agitator, a womaniser of note, and a shooter of horses that did not belong to him. Judith Blunt seems to have had a complex relationship with her parents, based on the bits of her writings about them that I have read, and a difficult relationship with pretty much everyone else, including her own children. Given that her parents spent large parts of her childhood absent on journeys in Asia Minor, Algeria, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Arabia, with their first trip undertaken before she was a year old, I suppose it is no wonder there were dysfunctional family dynamics.

She was five years old when the first Arabian horses arrived at Crabbet Park, and grew up thoroughly immersed in horsemanship; by the time she was fifteen, she was so accomplished a rider that “all the intractable horses of the countryside were brought to her to train” (Baily’s Magazine of Sports & Pastimes, No. 784, June 1925). After her parents purchased the Sheykh Obeyd estate in Egypt, Judith spent time there regularly; in fact she married Neville Bulwer-Lytton in El Zeitoun, Cairo, just a few days before her twenty-sixth birthday. 

Earlier, in 1884, Lady Anne and Wilfrid had been to the Potocki stud, Antoniny. Lady Anne records some highly complimentary remarks on the Polish mares in her journal, and observes wistfully “I should very much like to have something from this stud if we could find a pure one for sale”. (Journals and Correspondence, p. 399). However, it was not to be, as none of the Potocki horses met Lady Anne’s requirements that they be mazbut. Nonetheless, the Polish horses made a strong impression on both Lady Anne and Wilfrid, who wrote to Judith, on a subsequent visit to the Sanguszko stud, that he intended to buy three of their flea-bitten grey mares. This purchase did not materialise, for reasons unknown, but in 1920, Judith, now the owner of the Crabbet Stud after a protracted and ugly legal battle with her father, threw the criteria of mazbut out the window and purchased Skowronek, whose first-born foal at Crabbet she named Revenge - and so began re-shaping the Crabbet Arabian. 

Judith, or Lady Wentworth as she is usually known, having inherited the barony of Wentworth on her mother’s death in 1917, was a powerful shaping force in the public perception of the Arab horse in the first half of the twentieth century. She had ownership of the well-known and internationally admired Crabbet Stud, a lifelong exposure to Arabian horses, and forty years of Crabbet breeding to back her up. She also had a good deal of social clout thanks to her family connections, and contemporary articles written about her frequently mention that she was the great-granddaughter of Lord Byron. In addition, she had a gift for writing, and was also an artist. So she had all the tools she needed to re-create the image of the Arabian horse as it suited her. 

During Lady Wentworth’s tenure as the head of Crabbet Stud and the doyenne of Arab horse breeding in England, the look of the Crabbet Arabians changed significantly over time. Lady Wentworth justified this in her books, such as The Authentic Arabian Horse And His Descendants, and other writings, explaining how her horses were the best bred, the most authentic, the most true to type. She bolstered her authority on the subject by referring back to her parents’ knowledge, especially that of her mother, gained during their desert travels and their time in Egypt, and wielded it as a weapon to dismantle the arguments and ideas of others. For instance, in this Country Life article, from 18 January 1946, she attacks Carl Raswan: 

I note also with considerable surprise that Mr. Raswan, in a recent article in the Journal of Near Eastern Studies, evidently sets himself up to know better than the Grand Mufti of Egypt, head of the Azhar University, and Lady Anne Blunt, contradicting them both on their interpretation of certain Arabic words. In this connection it is useful to remember that “Carl Raswan" is an assumed name, adopted, in fact, from one of my horses. In 1936 he was known by what he told me was his real name, Karl Rheinhardt Schmidt. The oriental name may therefore be misleading, as suggesting a racial authority which he does not possess.

Here she appeals to the authority of her mother as an expert in Arabic, and also points out that Raswan’s name comes from one of her horses, to shore up her impeccable pedigree as an Arab horse expert, and to argue that Raswan was a parvenu, who owed his alleged “racial authority” to Lady Wentworth herself.

She also used her skills with a paintbrush to touch up the images of her horses, and even her parents’ horses, to make them better fit the criteria she was propagating. Exhibit A (photos below from the first edition of The Authentic Arabian Horse and His Descendants, unless otherwise specified): 

At first glance, there is nothing obviously altered in this picture of Shareer, but a closer look at his eye changes that, as Lady Wentworth has enlarged it and (bewilderingly) set it higher up his head. If the eye doesn’t seem unusual, here are a few more samples of her anime eyes on horses. 

Naufal’s is very obvious, and shows the features to look for: the higher-set eye, the bugged-out look, the increased definition of the eyelids, and the dot of light in the upper part of the eye. 

Irex’s eye is so enlarged that it gives him a cartoonish expression. 

Lady Wentworth’s insistence on exaggerating the eyes of her horses is strikingly reminiscent of the show ring fashion of shaving around the horse’s eye, which both makes the black skin easier to see, and also creates the illusion of the eye being larger. 

It is not only eyes that Lady Wentworth enlarged. 

The horse in this photo is not identified; I think it may be Skowronek or one of his sons or grandsons, but the horse’s features have been sufficiently distorted that it is hard to tell. In this case, Lady Wentworth has not only painted on her classic big eye, but she has also extended the nostril in a way that is most uncanny. It is also, interestingly, blown right out to the tip of the muzzle, just as many modern Arabians have had their nostrils migrate from the top of the muzzle to the end. 

She was also a proponent of the forward-set foreleg, once she started producing horses with that conformation. 

(The horse in Figure 8 has a lot of problems if its scapula stands straight up and the cartilage that forms the withers has come detached.)

In the same book this diagram is from, this is a photo of one of her Crabbets. 

The suspiciously blurred background directly behind Indian Gold suggests that she may have retouched the horse’s topline and neck, and close scrutiny of the underside of the neck shows that it is very smooth, with no detail. At any rate, Lady Wentworth’s breeding was producing horses with a short, upright humerus, and so she had to claim, contrary to reality, that this shoulder arrangement provided a better range of motion. 

Another feature of Lady Wentworth’s later Arabians was the increasingly tubular bodies with shallow heart girths, and lengthening backs, which often softened as the horse aged. 

Photo from The Illustrated Sporting & Dramatic News, 11 August 1948.

Raktha demonstrates the forward-set shoulder and the long, soft back, coupled with high haunches and mutton withers. His heart girth is virtually level with his elbow. 

Lady Wentworth also retroactively touched up some of the photos of her parents’ horses, to bring them more in line with the new standard she was pushing. An obvious example is her version of the well-known picture of Lady Anne on Kasida. 

Lady Wentworth has retouched the tail, to give it more of an arch, and also worked on the mare’s head, to create a more dished profile. Compare with the horribly low-resolution untouched version, in which Kasida’s profile is straighter and her tail is less full. 

Not only did Lady Wentworth reshape the images of her horses, to create an idealised version of them, she also spread her horses around the globe, with buyers from the United States, Australia, Spain, Russia, South Africa, Argentina, and many other countries. This meant that the Wentworth horses had many opportunities to pass their genes and their type on, opportunities heightened by their prestigious origins in the Crabbet stud belonging to an English baroness, who never failed to noise their show ring victories abroad. These horses were champions, as the captions on their photographs proclaimed. These horses were winners and therefore they must be of the correct and most authentic type, because they won classes and because Lady Wentworth was, after all, an authority on Arabians, being the daughter of the Blunts. Never mind that the horses had an increasing number of conformational flaws, they were winners and that was what counted.

I’m not even going to get into the trainwreck that is the allegations of clandestine Thoroughbred use in the Crabbet Stud by Lady Wentworth; suffice it to say that I have seen a letter from Musgrave-Clark and have also been told independently by another person that Thoroughbred horses, both stallions and mares, were crossed with the Crabbets, with the produce that looked most Arabian being registered as Arabians, and the ones that did not being registered as Anglos. This was, according to Musgrave-Clark, how she bred height into her horses. One does have to look at some of the horses that have been fingered as half Thoroughbred and wonder. 

Indian Magic, I have been told, was out of a Thoroughbred mare. Photo from Herbert Reese, 1967, The Kellogg Arabians: Their Background and Influence

The mare Sharima, below, has long been rumoured to have been the daughter of the Thoroughbred stallion Mighty Power. 

So, really, Lady Wentworth was very shady when it came to her handling of the Crabbet Arabians. There is so, so much more, but I am drawing the line here for the time being.

Two separate photos of Sharima (chestnut) with her daughter Grey Royal (grey), Lady Wentworth in the middle - just, yanno, for the extra sus:

Compared with Lady W posing with another group of mares:

The potential Thoroughbred inclusion has been a hot-button topic for a long time. Even in Al Khamsa it’s affected the outcomes of some horses: Nureddin II was widely considered to have “suspicious” elements, and believed to have been sired by a Thoroughbred stallion (Mighty Power being the likely culprit) but a DNA study a while back examining the y chromosome haplotypes of various recorded Arabian sirelines found that Nureddin II’s sireline was Ao rather than T_, pretty solidly laying to rest that particular theory.

2020 and 2021 have revealed that researchers can determine with more accuracy whether horses inherited genes from Thoroughbreds beyond the y chromosome and mtDNA, including recent Thoroughbred inclusion to the blood – which means we’re standing at a fascinating cusp at the point where we can definitively identify the non-Arabians (in the vein of the French racing lines, for example) and make a more comfortable decisions based around that.

As for Lady W: there’s a few more sus things she did that weren’t necessarily directly related to establishing the breed ‘type,’ but they definitely did relate to attitudes around the concept of purity, and had a profound impact on the trajectory of the Arabian breed worldwide via the prolific spread of her bloodlines across 6 continents:

The small one is That One Time Judith Acquired Skowronek Via Proxy – Horse Purchase: Electric Boogaloo~

  • Skowronek is born in Poland
  • Skowronek is sold to Walter Winans (yes, the sharpshooter/sculptor)
  • Skowronek is sold to a guy who rides him as a hack for a time
  • Skowronek is sold to H. V. Musgrave Clark of Courthouse fame
  • At some point, Clark is apparently selling the horse to an American buyer
  • And then, suddely, presto, like magic, Skowronek is mysteriously owned by Lady Wentworth
  • Clark was understandably pissed about this, and Lady Wentworth meanwhile was happily on her way to founding a dynastic breeding program built around the little grey stallion that she’d acquired for a steal of a deal.

I suppose you could chalk that up to being crafty and clever enough to pull one over Clark. From where I’m sitting, though, it sure looks a lot like shady doings. We know she had a history of it. She used to visit her daughter’s breeding farm and peruse the foals she liked and spirit them away to her own farm to pass off as her own breeding, believe it or not. Very Functional Family Things TM.

On the other hand: the big one is That One Time Judith Falsified Skowronek’s Pedigree And Traced All Lines To Abbas Pasha Horses.

No. 

Seriously.

Crafty as she was… here are two lovely, hand-crafted pedigrees for the horses Dafinetta and Silver Fire, put together by Lady Wentworth:

And if you squint real hard (or zoom in) (or both):

We see her parent’s horses in Skowronek’s sire’s pedigree: Mahruss, Bint Jamila, Makbula… There’s, to date, no evidence to support this at all, but Lady Wentworth sure went for it, repeating the claim in quite a few hand-crafted pedigrees of her Crabbet Arabians (of course!! why not!! it’s not like Lady Anne was alive to tell her to go to hell!!)

I’m like 98% positive this helped contribute to the sense of security over Skowronek and his get being considered “authentic.” Why question Lady W, the successor to the great Wilfrid Blunt and his esteemed wife, Lady Anne - surely she knows what’s up, right?

Weren’t there also rumors that some of her Arabians like Raffles were actually welsh crosses? It would be interesting to DNA test his descendants as well. 

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I haven’t heard of rumours that Lady Wentworth crossed Welsh ponies into her Arabians, no. She did have a Welsh pony stud, the White Mountain Pony Stud, founded on Dyoll Starlight bloodlines, so it is possible, perhaps, but I think it unlikely, as there was not much of a market for small Arabs - the bigger horses tended to win at shows, and were in more demand as riding horses. 

The reason for the similarities between the Welsh ponies and specific Crabbet bloodlines, though, is because Lady Wentworth and other breeders found that Skowronek-line stallions got excellent riding ponies out of Welsh and other native breed mares. Raffles she bred deliberately for use on Welsh mares (The Authentic Arabian Horse and His Descendants, p. 221):   

It may be of interest to breeders to know that I bred this pony by intensive inbreeding to the smallest individuals, as I had intended using him as an improver for our 11.2 hands Welsh ponies. The experiment of breeding father to daughter was most successful in producing exactly the size and type required— a strong, sturdy, extremely showy little horse of perfect conformation. I had to give up the scheme of crossing owing to national upheavals of finance, and presented Raffles to Mr. Selby.

The Crabbet-bred stallion King Cyrus (Skowronek x Kibla) was the sire of Craven Cyrus, who is felt most widely in Welsh ponies today through his granddaughter, Craven Sprightly Twilight, who was the dam of a number of notable ponies, including Downland Love-in-the-Mist (sired by Star Supreme, a grandson of Craven Cyrus). Love-in-the-Mist set the type for the Welsh Sec B, both as a winner of multiple shows and as a formidable broodmare. Her son Downland Romance was a champion under saddle and in hand, and a sire of champion ponies to boot.

Another inbred descendant of Skowronek, Naseel (Raftan x Naxina), was exported to Ireland where he was bred with Connemara mares. His son, Clonkeehan Auratum, was widely used, and established the Orange Line, one of the five surviving male lines that exists in the Connemara today. Naseel is also found in Connemara pedigrees via his daughter Clonkeehan Easter Lily. 

So as it turns out, Welsh ponies and Connemaras have Arab-y heads and share some similarities with Skowronek-line Crabbets, because his genes are found in their lines too. 

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This entire discourse was interesting to read but my interest was piqued especially when Welsh ponies were brought up and I read the name Downland. (Fitting to my username, I suppose.)

I was aware that Arabians were used in Welsh breeding; my own mare sports some quite close in her pedigree herself and even to this day in my country, they frequently use Arabian sires in riding pony breeding (both Welsh and a studbook called NRPS in which every registered horse has to have a certain % of Arab). The latter has both ponies and horses and there are always approved Arabian stud’s there as well to further pass down the Arab %.

I just checked the pedigree of my Welsh mare and as it turns out, her maternal grandsire is Downland Folklore and from that moment on the entire pedigree is full of Downland’s and Cravet’s, including Downland Romance and Downland Love-in-the-Mist. Her maternal great-grandsire down the dam line is also Arabian. When I look at his (Naivnyi) pedigree, there I find none other than Skowronek as behind Naseem, his dam’s sire. It also notes Naivnyi as 25% Crabbet. A large portion if not the majority of his paternal side is Polish.

My mare and her dam, and even further than that were all bred in The Netherlands. Naivnyi was apparently a champion here as well.

Her sires line doesn’t fall far off either; grandpa, also Dutch bred, is again out of Downland Folklore and still shows Downland Romance as well on the first page of her pedigree.

Her sire’s dam also stems from Downland Love-in-the-Mist (though this time, without Folklore/Romance), and to summarise, I found Skowronek at least 4 times more further in her pedigree, along with other Arabs claimed to be 100% Crabbet and a lot of Mesaoud, Queen of Sheba and other names I’ve read about in the past too.

This for me just goes to show how widely spread their horses were (and that a very large portion of it was Arabian as well rather than the majority being Welsh, as one would assume).

It was a really interesting read and I’ve learned a lot about the foundation of our national riding ponies as well this way. Thank you for the continuous informative discussions here!

@welshponies, thank you for the look at your mare’s pedigree and for the information on the Dutch lines. Naivnyi’s sire is one of my favourite Arabians stallions, Arax, the son in turn of Amurath Sahib, who traces in his direct male descent from the oldest surviving imported Arabian sire line in Europe, that of Bairactar. Arax was a very handsome horse, and while a youngster in Poland, he was a successful racehorse, with eighteen starts over two seasons and five victories; I don’t believe he ever finished worse than fourth. 

Through Arax, Naivnyi - and thus your mare - traces to a horse who survived the fire bombing of Dresden, the great sire Wielki Szlem. Erika Schiele (The Arab Horse in Europe) describes the terrible event:

An icy wind was whistling about them, rain and snow lashed them alternately, the roads were jammed with refugees. Ninety of the horses were harnessed to carts in pairs, the mares with foals at foot being tied to the cart-tails. The young stock were led in hand, The German colonel von Bonnet led forty men, each riding a stallion with another in hand, in a separate party.
At the fall of night, stabling could only be found for a few of the mares. Most of them had to spend the night on the road, hungry and cold. The stallions could not take a stand-easy, they could not be held in hand along the roadside. Colonel von Bonnet resolved to march straight on with them to the barracks at Dresden. At halfpast one they were in the middle of the city, which was under heavy air attack. In vain they sought cover under the trees in a park. Bombs exploded all around, veiling them in smoke and fire. The stallions went mad and broke loose. In less than a minute there were forty stallions milling around loose, then fifty, then sixty. The men were in almost equal panic. All but a puny-looking little stud-groom by the name of Jan Ziniewicz, who forgot the danger and all thought of his own safety, so intent was he on the two star sires, Witraz and Wielki Szlem, that had been entrusted to him. An incendiary bomb exploded close beside them, Witraz’s tail caught alight, so that he raged and reared up, but Ziniewicz did not let go the headrope. The blood ran from his lacerated palms, but he hung on, and at the other end of the rope was the future hope of Arab breeding for Poland. Of eighty stallions only twenty remained in the morning. Four days were spent in a search for the stragglers, but only thirty-eight could be found, and one of these had already been hitched to a gypsy’s wagon. Twenty-two were known to be dead. Dr Andrzej Krzysztalowicz was in charge of the mare party, riding Amurath Sahib, and as he rode into Dresden he had to pass the carcasses of his dead stallions lying on the roadside, which almost broke his heart.

Amurath Sahib, as you can see, was lucky enough to be spared the horror of that night. 

There was a fair bit of Arabian blood used in several native breeds in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, as well as the first half of the twentieth century, but I think that even so, the majority of the foundation ponies were still British, much as the Thoroughbred was created by crossing Oriental stallions (and some mares) with native running horses. If you look at the pedigree of Dyoll Starlight, the stallion who shaped the Welsh Mountain Pony of today, his recorded ancestors are all ponies, who may have had some distant Arabian influence, as a handful of Arab stallions and part-bred Arabs were supposed to have been turned out on the hills in the nineteenth century. The little racehorse Apricot, a 12.2hh chestnut, is said in the sources I have at hand to have been sired by an Arab; he was owned by Colonel Vaughan, who bred him to mares in Merionethshire, in the 1840s. The palomino pony stallion, Cymro Llwyd, was sired by an Arab (though if the horse was indeed buckskin, then he cannot have been Arabian!), and is found in the pedigree of the influential pony stallion Coed Coch Glyndwr, who traces to him multiple times via Welsh Flyer and Llwyn Black. At any rate, part of the apparent prevalence of the Arabian in the foundation of the Welsh pony is because the Arab horses were unique enough to be recorded. 

It is also quite tricky to verify some of this information, as the historiography of the British native breeds took off in the latter half of the nineteenth century, and is full of talk of “improvement”, arguments about whether or not the Arab should be used, and a good deal of the usual Victorian mythopoeia. Untangling the facts from the romance and the propaganda is time-consuming, and made harder by the paucity of sources on these horses prior to the English aristocratic “discovery” of them. 

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