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I'm Cinnia, late 20s, she/her, a fan of the health sciences and many other things, and a former quiet kid who was abducted by the theater people. This blog is a semi-queued experiment to vent my endless energy for fandoms, LGBT+ content, writing, languages, religion analysis and ExMormon content, dancing, mental health, etc. I also run the Grate Scoff food blog as well as the Incorrect Rings of Power and Incorrect Thornfruit Quotes blogs.
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10 pounds says terfs start arguing men have an unfair advantage in knitting next

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wildhaunt

I know im being "that guy" but he's crocheting. He is not knitting. He is holding a hook and crocheting. Look at the fabric. He is not knitting. Wtf has he got in his mouth tho...

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lisavilisa

I think it's a tapestry needle? Mother fucker might be that one person that sews in ends in as he goes.

That would make sense. Good for him!

The fact that a terf said “taking women jobs in the home” proves my point terfs are just the political branch of the trad wife movement

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My queers, we really need to put the "no men" thing away. Men are not inherently bad. There are queer men. There are questioning men. There's men that are just plain cool. Denying these men a space at our table is not helping - except the TERFs. I just came off the back of reading a transphobe gleeful rant about the need to have pride without men - They of course mean me. This kind of stuff is damaging to me and I really need us all to take a step back and maybe kill this "men dni, men not allowed" stuff. What you mean is "no men who are going to do mean stuff to me." And frankly those men won't give a shit about that kind of boundary.

But I promise you there's a fleet of good honest men who will see that and be sad they're not allowed in your version of queer spaces.

PATRIARCHY is what you hate. Dni Patriarchs.

The TERFs have gotten ahold of this post and are doing a lot to try and dehumanize me or send me death threats because of this. Some of those blogs were children or very close to it. I can't tell you how that horrifies me to see people caught up in a hate movement that obliterates self-examination so young. Those are precious days being stolen from those people. Being trans I know what it's like to lose that time and never get it back.

However it's important to recognise that there's clearly something in this message of tolerance that they don't want to get out, and foolishly by repeatedly reblogging versions of my post, they're actually raising the profile of the original message.

I'm quite weary of getting death threats, let's show them our compassion and unity will always overcome their isolation and hatred.

Reblog this post or any version of it that doesn't have the hateful messages attatched, spread the message further. If they didn't want to be a part of getting this message to see a wider audience then they shouldn't have started fucking with me.

Please reblog and fight fascism with me today!

I literally saw a post on twitter today where someone was saying how men should have access to birth control, and a woman responded with something along the lines of "yeah but would you really trust him to take it..."

Like.

This is a PROBLEM with how people think of, treat, and interact with men. We cannot treat men like they are villains 100% of the time, even when they are actively showing that they would want to be able to engage in behaviors (like taking birth control too!!!) that are to the benefit of an equal society.

Everyone go read Bell Hook's A Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love

We need to stop treating men as the enemy and start working on dismantling the patriarchal system that casts them in that role.

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orriculum

"all men are evil" is radfem/terf rhetoric, but clarifying "all cis men" because you want to signal that you're not transphobic doesn't work because it's still deeply rooted in radfem beliefs. It's saying you believe there's something inherently evil in being born/assigned "male", and you carry it over in how you treat ppl who transition in or out of that gender. "All cis men are evil", is gender essentialist and you can't get around that.

Fucking tired of ppl who think their terf soundbites with a fresh coat of paint are sooo progressive

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I get what internet (often borderline or overt rad)feminists are trying to say with shit about how men never have to deal with x, but sooo many of the examples get shot to shit when you apply any other Man to the example than a cishet rich thin white guy.

“When have men ever had to worry about being killed for something they wore?” Black men. Gay men. Trans men.

“When have men ever been body shamed?” Fat men, balding men, disabled men.

“When have men ever had to worry about walking home at night?” Black men, gay men.

People reinvent “if men could get pregnant” over and over and when someone says “oh they do actually” it’s always viewed as hostile and not a potential intersection.

Like no, you do not have to coddle men, but men saying “hey I do know what it’s like actually” are not outright our enemy trying to center themselves, they are often extending a hand saying “hey I do get it too.”

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a lot y’all think it’s Peak Ally to be like “i treat trans men the same way i treat cis men uwu” but that isn’t helpful when u treat cis men like garbage bc u believe all men are biologically evil and don’t deserve basic human decency bc then guess what happens. u treat trans men like we’re evil and don’t deserve basic human decency. which, considering there’s currently a genocide being carried out against trans people (including trans men, bc ik some of y’all need to be reminded of that) in at least one country, maybe that’s like. not great!

like truly some of y’all see the word “men” and don’t even read the rest of the post. the post could say “gay man beaten to death for being gay while attackers screamed homophobic slurs in his face” and u would still be like “maybe men shouldn’t be so violent 💅 #feminism #girlboss #kam”

This attitude only hurts the men you can reach - marginalised men, who are being oppressed and harmed by the same people as you and should not have to shoulder the burden of your misdirected trauma responses that they aren't fucking responsible for. Your hurt is not their responsibility and shouldn't be their problem when they have their own, usually caused by the same people! Grow the fuck up you shitty little neo-radfems

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gaytrashfire

[Disclaimer, I am not a rad fem, just curious]

Is this an attitude that is really affecting people in real life though? I'm seeing a lot of this on my dash, and I completely understand it happening on the internet, but how much of that is filtering into the wider world?

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boy-gender

@gaytrashfire​ I wanted to reply to you specifically because of this, in good faith. Yes, this does translate into the real world. I’d like to share a personal experience with it, but tw for CSA and medical abuse.

I have a friend who is a cis woman, who I’ve been friends with since high school. She knew me before I came out as a trans boy, and she’s known me since. We are the best of friends- I go to doctors appointments with her, we go on vacations together, we buy each other food, we babysit each other’s pets, we run errands together. I’m going to be in her wedding party next year, and she’s going to be in mine the year after. We’ve been best friends for nearly 20 years.

A couple years ago, we went on vacation together to a beach, along with both of our fiances. We were driving through a beach town, and a man was walking on the sidewalk next to our car as we were driving. He happened to glance at our car, then kept going on his way- my friend said she was so disgusted that a man had looked at her that she wanted to ram her car into him.

Let me reiterate: a pedestrian, who happened to be a man, glanced at our car that was driving a couple feet from him, and my friend was so disgusted by his mere existence in a public space that she wanted to murder him with a vehicle.

This wasn’t the first time she had said things like this, but it was the most violent of the bunch so far, and it was the moment that crystalized things for me. Every comment she had made dating back about hating men, about fearing them, about being disgusted with their existence. Every time we were in public and she got anxious near a man- who was doing nothing to us- and she subsequently started to lash out at those men and at us, her friends. Every comment about how, being bisexual, she disparaged being attracted to men and thought of it as a curse. Everything came to a head then. Because I was a man in that car- the only man in that car.

My friend has a lot of trauma. She was raped as a child (I don’t know how many times), and continuously abused by doctors- particularly male doctors- about her weight all through her life, from childhood onward. She pathologically avoids doctors even when she’s extremely ill- sometimes I have to go to check ups with her, because she cannot go on her own. She’s been misdiagnosed with high blood pressure because that’s how stressed she gets knowing that a man is going to potentially be around her touching her body, like a check up. She has an unmedicated anxiety disorder and PTSD, and because she’s scared of doctors, she won’t seek treatment.

The men who hurt my friend deserve to rot. I’d put them there myself if I had the ability.

But that random beachgoer on the sidewalk wasn’t those men. Neither were the men in walmart, or the gas station attendant, or our male professors, or any other random man we encountered ever that she despised. I wasn’t those men.

We had to have a long talk, because her ideology only left room for two possibilities: 1 she hated and feared every man in existence so much so that she must also hate and fear me, or 2 the reason she did not hate me was because she didn’t truly see me as a man. Either I was a monster, or I was misgendered. The way she spoke and thought about men left only those options, as all bioessentialism does. Man evil, women good. People who not evil must somehow be women or women-adjacent: this is how she justified still caring about me, a trans man, and our nonbinary friends of any agab. She never used the wrong name or pronouns with me; never referred to me as a woman. But in her head, that was where she was sorting me. I couldn’t be a good or safe person and be a man; the two were mutually exclusive.

When I told her this, she broke down. It was a rough week of pouring our hearts out. That was a few years ago, and she’s made so much progress as a person since then. I honestly think I may have stopped her heading down the radfem pipeline. My existence forced her to address the failings of her binary worldview, and to come to terms with the nuances not just of transmasculinity but also manhood in general.

It’s hard to acknowledge that there is no one thing that makes terrible people do terrible things. My friend wanted to blame the evil of her abusers on them being men, but evil is not an essential trait. To do evil, to hurt another person, is always a choice, and it’s a choice anyone of any gender is capable of. Evil people are people, and to see them as complete people- like ourselves- is frightening. It’s confusing and complex and reminds us that we too are capable of hurting others, if we choose to. Healing is messy, and it’s been very messy for my friend.

But since that talk she’s never spoken like that again. She still gets anxious around men who get too close to her in public, or loud male voices, and I still go to the doctor with her. But men can exist around her- and she can exist around them- without curling up into a ball of panic and violence. She has a long way to go, but she’s come a long way too. And most importantly she’d learned to lay the blame for what happened to her where it belongs- on the fuckers who hurt her- and to stop using it to bludgeon everyone else around her. The things she said, the venom behind them, those hurt the most marginalized men and masc ppl in her life: me, a trans man, our AMAB nonbinary friend, her butch fiance. We had to hear her vitriol; we had to live with it. My friend was driving that car at the beach- I was at her mercy, in the back seat, wondering if under any other circumstance would it be me she was gunning for. The men who hurt her had power and privilege, which is why they used it to abuse a little girl. Her thoughts and her comments never reached or hurt them. She couldn’t touch them. But she felt she had to hurt somebody, so she hurt us, because we were what was in reach. And as a cis woman, she felt she had some modicum of privilege over us trans and nb and gnc people, so she punched down. And if that sounds familiar to you (terfs, radfems, tradwives) then you are correct. Same line of logic; same bioessentialism, applied and misapplied for maximum damage.

I wish I had a better end to the story, but our story isn’t over yet. She and I have healing to do- her while she navigates her trauma in a patriarchal society, and me while I grow into being a man. But our story is true, and painful, and it’s just one story of hundreds of thousands. My friend was poisoned and made ever more terrified by the encouragement of this kind of online shit, but it didn’t leave her when she logged off. She took it with her and weaponized it in real life, just like hundreds of thousands of others will. You may not experience it, but please believe us when trans men and transmasculine people say we do.

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a lot y’all think it’s Peak Ally to be like “i treat trans men the same way i treat cis men uwu” but that isn’t helpful when u treat cis men like garbage bc u believe all men are biologically evil and don’t deserve basic human decency bc then guess what happens. u treat trans men like we’re evil and don’t deserve basic human decency. which, considering there’s currently a genocide being carried out against trans people (including trans men, bc ik some of y’all need to be reminded of that) in at least one country, maybe that’s like. not great!

like truly some of y’all see the word “men” and don’t even read the rest of the post. the post could say “gay man beaten to death for being gay while attackers screamed homophobic slurs in his face” and u would still be like “maybe men shouldn’t be so violent 💅 #feminism #girlboss #kam”

This attitude only hurts the men you can reach - marginalised men, who are being oppressed and harmed by the same people as you and should not have to shoulder the burden of your misdirected trauma responses that they aren't fucking responsible for. Your hurt is not their responsibility and shouldn't be their problem when they have their own, usually caused by the same people! Grow the fuck up you shitty little neo-radfems

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gaytrashfire

[Disclaimer, I am not a rad fem, just curious]

Is this an attitude that is really affecting people in real life though? I'm seeing a lot of this on my dash, and I completely understand it happening on the internet, but how much of that is filtering into the wider world?

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boy-gender

@gaytrashfire​ I wanted to reply to you specifically because of this, in good faith. Yes, this does translate into the real world. I’d like to share a personal experience with it, but tw for CSA and medical abuse.

I have a friend who is a cis woman, who I’ve been friends with since high school. She knew me before I came out as a trans boy, and she’s known me since. We are the best of friends- I go to doctors appointments with her, we go on vacations together, we buy each other food, we babysit each other’s pets, we run errands together. I’m going to be in her wedding party next year, and she’s going to be in mine the year after. We’ve been best friends for nearly 20 years.

A couple years ago, we went on vacation together to a beach, along with both of our fiances. We were driving through a beach town, and a man was walking on the sidewalk next to our car as we were driving. He happened to glance at our car, then kept going on his way- my friend said she was so disgusted that a man had looked at her that she wanted to ram her car into him.

Let me reiterate: a pedestrian, who happened to be a man, glanced at our car that was driving a couple feet from him, and my friend was so disgusted by his mere existence in a public space that she wanted to murder him with a vehicle.

This wasn’t the first time she had said things like this, but it was the most violent of the bunch so far, and it was the moment that crystalized things for me. Every comment she had made dating back about hating men, about fearing them, about being disgusted with their existence. Every time we were in public and she got anxious near a man- who was doing nothing to us- and she subsequently started to lash out at those men and at us, her friends. Every comment about how, being bisexual, she disparaged being attracted to men and thought of it as a curse. Everything came to a head then. Because I was a man in that car- the only man in that car.

My friend has a lot of trauma. She was raped as a child (I don’t know how many times), and continuously abused by doctors- particularly male doctors- about her weight all through her life, from childhood onward. She pathologically avoids doctors even when she’s extremely ill- sometimes I have to go to check ups with her, because she cannot go on her own. She’s been misdiagnosed with high blood pressure because that’s how stressed she gets knowing that a man is going to potentially be around her touching her body, like a check up. She has an unmedicated anxiety disorder and PTSD, and because she’s scared of doctors, she won’t seek treatment.

The men who hurt my friend deserve to rot. I’d put them there myself if I had the ability.

But that random beachgoer on the sidewalk wasn’t those men. Neither were the men in walmart, or the gas station attendant, or our male professors, or any other random man we encountered ever that she despised. I wasn’t those men.

We had to have a long talk, because her ideology only left room for two possibilities: 1 she hated and feared every man in existence so much so that she must also hate and fear me, or 2 the reason she did not hate me was because she didn’t truly see me as a man. Either I was a monster, or I was misgendered. The way she spoke and thought about men left only those options, as all bioessentialism does. Man evil, women good. People who not evil must somehow be women or women-adjacent: this is how she justified still caring about me, a trans man, and our nonbinary friends of any agab. She never used the wrong name or pronouns with me; never referred to me as a woman. But in her head, that was where she was sorting me. I couldn’t be a good or safe person and be a man; the two were mutually exclusive.

When I told her this, she broke down. It was a rough week of pouring our hearts out. That was a few years ago, and she’s made so much progress as a person since then. I honestly think I may have stopped her heading down the radfem pipeline. My existence forced her to address the failings of her binary worldview, and to come to terms with the nuances not just of transmasculinity but also manhood in general.

It’s hard to acknowledge that there is no one thing that makes terrible people do terrible things. My friend wanted to blame the evil of her abusers on them being men, but evil is not an essential trait. To do evil, to hurt another person, is always a choice, and it’s a choice anyone of any gender is capable of. Evil people are people, and to see them as complete people- like ourselves- is frightening. It’s confusing and complex and reminds us that we too are capable of hurting others, if we choose to. Healing is messy, and it’s been very messy for my friend.

But since that talk she’s never spoken like that again. She still gets anxious around men who get too close to her in public, or loud male voices, and I still go to the doctor with her. But men can exist around her- and she can exist around them- without curling up into a ball of panic and violence. She has a long way to go, but she’s come a long way too. And most importantly she’d learned to lay the blame for what happened to her where it belongs- on the fuckers who hurt her- and to stop using it to bludgeon everyone else around her. The things she said, the venom behind them, those hurt the most marginalized men and masc ppl in her life: me, a trans man, our AMAB nonbinary friend, her butch fiance. We had to hear her vitriol; we had to live with it. My friend was driving that car at the beach- I was at her mercy, in the back seat, wondering if under any other circumstance would it be me she was gunning for. The men who hurt her had power and privilege, which is why they used it to abuse a little girl. Her thoughts and her comments never reached or hurt them. She couldn’t touch them. But she felt she had to hurt somebody, so she hurt us, because we were what was in reach. And as a cis woman, she felt she had some modicum of privilege over us trans and nb and gnc people, so she punched down. And if that sounds familiar to you (terfs, radfems, tradwives) then you are correct. Same line of logic; same bioessentialism, applied and misapplied for maximum damage.

I wish I had a better end to the story, but our story isn’t over yet. She and I have healing to do- her while she navigates her trauma in a patriarchal society, and me while I grow into being a man. But our story is true, and painful, and it’s just one story of hundreds of thousands. My friend was poisoned and made ever more terrified by the encouragement of this kind of online shit, but it didn’t leave her when she logged off. She took it with her and weaponized it in real life, just like hundreds of thousands of others will. You may not experience it, but please believe us when trans men and transmasculine people say we do.

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gonzoguy

the day that tumblr learns that it isn’t progressive whatsoever to shame people for being attracted to men is the day the world heals. there’s nothing progressive about shaming gay and bisexual men using homophobic tactics and spreading biphobia toward bisexual women.

you know what? shaming straight women for liking men isn’t cute either. i genuinely hope that every straight girl has a fulfilling and happy relationship. when you put the blame on women for even dating “grrr evil men” in the first place you ignore the amount of abuse that women face in relationships and you excuse the men who are misogynistic and pieces of shit by emphasizing the idea that it’s normal for men to treat women like garbage.

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