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I am not going to lie to you, for a second there in that episode I seriously thought Claire and the random chick from the bar were going to ditch out on the sketchy looking guy and possibly wander off to Oz with Charlie and Dorothy…

war flashbacks of Dean and Aaron at the bar

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eveanyn

Honor on you, honor on your cow.

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carnilia

I mean, didn’t we all think it?

I was definitely getting that vibe.

Well, she is an obvious Dean mirror, it only makes sense.

There’s wank on my dash that Claire being queer came outta nowhere so I’ve just got to bring this back from the week of 10x10 airing, because it’s sooo not new.

I clocked a lot of subtext in my wayward sisters watch, most of which parallels her to Dean, once to The Chitters (in Nancy Won’s episode)… 

But take this as you will, the dude in the bar hung back, and the girl was the one who sweet-talked Claire into whatever sketchy plan they had for her…

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waywardmills

Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t remember ever seeing Claire being into a guy. The show never told us in any way that she’s heterosexual. It’s heteronormativity that made people automatically think that she’s hetero, like straight is the default sexuality.

Anyway, sometimes it happens in real life, too. You come out to a hetero person and they’re surprised, tell you how you “don’t look queer”. You being queer came out of the blue for that person.

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flyingfish1

No, I don’t think we’ve ever seen her attracted to any guys. We’ve only seen other characters assuming that she would be, like the men who’ve been attracted to her, or maybe Jody when she was giving her sex talk (to be fair, 90% of that was directed at Alex, but still). Claire herself hasn’t actually said anything about it.

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memitims

“I feel like I’m seeing him.”

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carnilia

This episode was SO ROMANTIC. Like, seriously, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, how do the creators of the show explain away the COMPLETELY RAMPANT ROMANTICISM of the Dean & Cas storyline just in this episode alone? You can’t! You cannot make a convincing argument at all. There is no way that this level of explicitly romantic tropes are applied— to these characters, their story, and their relationship in not only the writing, but the lighting, the cinematography, the editing, and (yes) the acting of this episode— and it is somehow accidental. There is just no way! I mean, Dean standing in the darkness, extreme close up of his anguished face, lit as though by the moon, rain pours down outside, he watches it fall down the window as he thinks but cannot bring himself to speak about what happened to Cas, a flash of lightning illuminates his sad eyes as the storm rages outside— that is some Wuthering Heights bullshit right there, are you fucking shitting me?

“How the hell did you find me?”

“Angels are able to find those who pray to them.”

“Pray? Oh, believe me, I gave up praying a long time ago.”

“It doesn’t have to be a formal prayer, I can, uh, pick up on a longing…”

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filleretive

STOP

The more I think about it the more this works. Season 8 was so patchy in the lore because they clearly forgot Dean was warded from angels, and Cas just constantly pops up by him.

This is Cas literally getting out of Purgatory, presented as him barely even being in this plane until he finally manages to properly manifest behind Dean in the bathroom.

How did he even know to go to Dean? I always assumed because Naomi said she pulled him out that she dropped him there but it’s actually more patchy an explanation because Cas takes a day or two to fully come back to this world.

But imagine him being given the shove by the angels, unknowingly, back to this world, and the beacon that guides him back is the unconscious, unknowing prayer of the one human who misses Castiel specifically - his faith is negligible in every other regard, but his faith and need for Cas is off the charts, so much so he sends out this low-level call constantly in his grief. The one thing that can pull Cas back all the way.

In the end, Dean was the one who dragged every last one of them out of Purgatory.

Officially headcanon.

I mean

yeah

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awed-frog

I mean, if you want to be that way, you can see what’s going on between them as a profound bond without sexual overtones (if you want to be wrong, it’s your right to be wrong, it’s a free country) but even so, this is literally the only explanation that makes sense. There is no other way Cas could have found Dean, especially not after they made such a big deal of Dean being warded so thoroughly not even Cas (with whom he has a profound bond) or a freaking archangel (who was specifically looking for him and destined to live inside his body) could find him.

Also, this means those people who felt Dean’s feelings changed in Purgatory (or that Dean admitted those feelings, to himself at least, in Purgatory) were right, and the thing is now canon. Cas could never find Dean before, could he? Wasn’t he following Meg when he kept popping in and out of existence in Season 7?

Someone needs to do a rewatch asap.

The only time Cas magically located Dean before then was the off-screen “naked and covered in bees” moment

Uh… no. Cas located Dean in 6x03 after Dean prayed to him (the profound bond scene). Dean didn’t need to call Cas or tell him where he was like he used to in season 5 when he was indeed still warded against angels. So I always assumed when Cas healed Dean at the end of season 5 he erased his angel warding as well; with apocalypse over there was no longer a need to ward him against angels. And other angels have been able to locate Dean as well, see Naomi in 8x19 I think.

Sorry to burst everyone’s bubble.

I swear I’m not just being precious about this, but the point was, from 10x10 (which this post is actually about despite being about 8x07 :P) the difference between praying and not praying when it came to finding people. It seemed to imply praying opened a direct line that would allow the angel to find someone, specifically because they were being prayed to, and the longing retcon which implied you could buttdial an angel; Buckleming new canon or not it was seeming to say prayer = location, and that’s supported by scenes like 6x03, where Cas only needs an open line to find them. In 5x02 and 5x03 he was the one looking for Sam and Dean, so they were not reaching out to him, and so he had to phone or someone tell him where they were. 

As a work-around to why Cas could find them it backdated every prayer where they didn’t explain where they were with an explanation, by also adding to the known mechanics of how prayers work, and the longing thing was thrown in as an afterthought to explain how Cas found Claire without her actually praying. 9x06 worked on similar mechanics of emotion = GPS signal that an angel could follow.

In 8x19 I’m fairly certain that was a plothole caused by Dean praying to Cas in the deleted scene; the full episode would show Dean did open himself up to that, and if Naomi tapped the line, even if she couldn’t find Cas, the link between them made by the prayer could at least tell her where Dean was.

I don’t know, I just find the longing retcon weirdly watertight from the way I look at it :P

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And there was the side walk doomsday preacher guy in 5x18. Dean had him pray to Michael and the other angels, when he was planning to say yes to Michael. This supports the idea that angels can eavesdrop on prayers, and use them as a locator because that was how Cas finds Dean first (“You pray too loud.”)

Now, that begs the question of why Dean didn’t just pray himself. But you could argue that Dean didn’t *realize* it was as easy as that, especially since Castiel at the point rarely explained *anything*, and when he did it was usually under badgering questions. And he certainly isn’t going to explain the mechanics of prayer to Dean when they’re worried Dean’s going to commit suicide by archangel possession.

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memitims

“I feel like I’m seeing him.”

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carnilia

This episode was SO ROMANTIC. Like, seriously, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, how do the creators of the show explain away the COMPLETELY RAMPANT ROMANTICISM of the Dean & Cas storyline just in this episode alone? You can’t! You cannot make a convincing argument at all. There is no way that this level of explicitly romantic tropes are applied— to these characters, their story, and their relationship in not only the writing, but the lighting, the cinematography, the editing, and (yes) the acting of this episode— and it is somehow accidental. There is just no way! I mean, Dean standing in the darkness, extreme close up of his anguished face, lit as though by the moon, rain pours down outside, he watches it fall down the window as he thinks but cannot bring himself to speak about what happened to Cas, a flash of lightning illuminates his sad eyes as the storm rages outside— that is some Wuthering Heights bullshit right there, are you fucking shitting me?

“How the hell did you find me?”

“Angels are able to find those who pray to them.”

“Pray? Oh, believe me, I gave up praying a long time ago.”

“It doesn’t have to be a formal prayer, I can, uh, pick up on a longing…”

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filleretive

STOP IT.

The more I think about it the more this works. Season 8 was so patchy in the lore because they clearly forgot Dean was warded from angels, and Cas just constantly pops up by him.

This is Cas literally getting out of Purgatory, presented as him barely even being in this plane until he finally manages to properly manifest behind Dean in the bathroom.

How did he even know to go to Dean? I always assumed because Naomi said she pulled him out that she dropped him there but it’s actually more patchy an explanation because Cas takes a day or two to fully come back to this world.

But imagine him being given the shove by the angels, unknowingly, back to this world, and the beacon that guides him back is the unconscious, unknowing prayer of the one human who misses Castiel specifically - his faith is negligible in every other regard, but his faith and need for Cas is off the charts, so much so he sends out this low-level call constantly in his grief. The one thing that can pull Cas back all the way.

In the end, Dean was the one who dragged every last one of them out of Purgatory.

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snowlantern

This is it, the final indictment of Dean Winchester (if he were there to hear it) he would agree. I am a monster. I am crap. Nothing worth saving.

And Cas doesn’t deny it. He doesn’t say, NO, Dean is the best man I’ve ever known. He says, Yes, but nobody is all black or white, we’re all shades, melées, I’m a monster to some degree (You, Claire, are about to become a monster as well, plotting murder)

And Claire, Dean’s mirror, having passed this verdict on Dean then also tries to execute him – the monster in her trying to kill the monster in him

But in the end she changes her mind, and Dean is saved by the goodness in her/him

Cas knows Dean. Who he is, what he is. Forgives him and loves him unconditionally.

And by doing so helps Claire (Dean) to ultimately accept himself, at least enough to let him live.

And Claire takes off to find a way to live with the monster inside her. And so will Dean.

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Now that s7 was made 10x worse, not to mention Cas' I didn't just lose my grace line in 9x06 by 1 little word like longing, I can't stop thinking about the parallels between Dean and Daphne of all things, how they both took him in when he had nothing, be it loss of grace or memory, it was still a loss of identity. Both having to let him go/give him up, in Dean's case, which is much more tragic as we KNOW how much he cares about Cas, having to send him away when Cas was at his most vulnerable &

it kills me that he couldn’t even have the - I can’t say comfort, but at least he would’ve known how it tore Dean up inside to see him go & know that he was still wanted, even human and frail and not able to help in the way he had before. Also, hello parallels between Dean’s heartbroken longing post-purgatory being so strong Cas found him even w/ everything Heaven was doing to him & Cas’ heartbroken longing being so strong Ephraim found him & set out to kill him to make his soul stop screaming.

What strikes me reading this excellent little piece of heart-stabbing meta is how all of these incidents have all been things we’ve wept and tore our hair and gnashed our teeth about already… Honestly nothing *new* new has appeared out of the mists of old canon from this (with the exception perhaps of Cas getting out of Purgatory as that one just plain didn’t make sense until this came along and neatly explained how he found Dean again).

Just that… being given that line about longing has sort of tied a new context and narrative through all the old emotionally heavy moments that’s brought it into a different focus… Honestly it’s mostly just causing us a retrospective of all the best and worst of the ship, with this new filter where we can get a new emotional kick out of it all (which in the end is a really robotic way of trying to work out why we’re invested in fictional characters and their love lives in the first place for any ship). It just gives us a sort of focus point to build the new narrative around as we make a more coherent picture of the story and what it means. All these old moments had sort of faded in emotional intensity as some of them date back four or more years. There’s only so many times you can harp on the pain of raking leaves (she says after consistently tagging it as ‘never over this’ :P)…

I mean this will probably largely remain something that lurks only in headcanon and the language we use as shippers and fans… Even if Destiel does go canon to every degree there’s only so much they could actually cram in, given the show honestly isn’t about that (in that it’s not got its focus as a love story, no matter how important the way Cas and Dean relate to each other has become to the plot over the last few seasons), so this will probably just remain a secret gift to the side of the fandom that’s interested in the exact painful details of how these two dweebs relate to each other, and even if it does go canon and even if the media blows up with this, they’ll be talking about obvious plot stuff: “Omg how did we not realise raking leaves crypt scene all for one human was happening” while we’re many levels deeper with our head start on pouring over what’s already canon, so only people who go back and look again closely will find this gem of a hidden emotional storyline. 

I’m just fascinated by the ability for us to have an enormous canon subtext retcon where we have written ourselves this new story through the entire subtext of their relationship, which remains exactly the same as the old one, but now includes this canon-supported romantic what-the-hell fact you can use to turn any old moment into something painfully emotional to contemplate in ways it never was before, and as a raw fact seems to fill a few plot holes and generally improve average non-shippy comprehension of things like Cas getting out of purgatory… (thinking of Cas showing up without asking, do NOT ask me what woke me up in a cold sweat at 3:30 am this morning thinking about Cas *leaving* at the end of 10x03… I’ll give you a clue, it’s this freakin’ retcon.)

I mean there were always a sort of series of levels of stories going on in the show: all the casual viewer layers, the layers of people who have agendas one way or the other, shippy or non-shippy…

But right now, honestly, every time I see a new post like but what about Emmanuel or stuff like this which links together events from across 3-4 seasons, I’m just thinking about how we’re actually rebuilding Destiel from the ground up, with this new thing which belongs to us. I mean talk about handing fans the story and letting them have the subtext in 10x05. That was nothing compared to this. :P

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"I want you to put as much sub in that text as you possibly can." And then they handed us the perfect way to do it.

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butterflydm

I do love the way we’ve had emphasis on the ~group effort~ nature of helping Dean.

(first, of course, Dean started on the MoC path at a time when he had isolated himself away from Sam and Cas, and thus was vulnerable to Crowley’s manipulations)

The solution gets set up in 9x22, with the conversation between Cas and Dean:

Cas: “You really believe we three will be enough?”

Dean: “We always have been.”

10x03 — Dean is the one who reverses the lockdown in the bunker*, which opens the doors back up to Cas, who grabs him and subdues him so that Sam can complete the ritual.

10x10 — Cas trusts Dean with Claire despite what’s just happened in 10x09, Sam tells Dean that Dean needs to be part of the solution himself, and then Dean is able to choose to restrain himself. We see both Cas and Sam extending trust to Dean, and then Dean is able to trust in himself.

* it is very thematic that Sam’s initial, instinctive solution to the situation getting worse (Dean escaping) was to lock down the bunker and, essentially, trap the two of them alone together without any outside help. That’s what the boys have always done and Carver has gone to great lengths to show what a bad idea it is. This is what the two of them did in 8x10 when they cut off communications with Amelia and Benny — they cut themselves off from the world and locked themselves up alone together.

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They’re taking a new approach to hunting this season, I think.

Claire’s arc in her two episodes subverts the typical hunter origin story. It starts out in the usual way, with a terrible monster slaughtering Claire’s family and Claire, filled with rage and heartbreak, setting out to exact revenge. It’s the same story we’ve been seeing since the show began. But then, something different happens: Claire realizes that she doesn’t want to become a monster herself. She tamps down her own monstrous, violent instincts and she calls everything off.  And instead of killing the monster, she has a tiny moment of connection with him. Shortly afterwards, she goes on to reconnect with the other monster currently in her life—the creature who destroyed her first family—and against all odds they part on good terms. Instead of hunting her monsters, Claire makes peace with them.

Cole does much the same thing, though it takes him longer to get there. After spending half his life consumed with his desire for revenge, Cole also meets his monster, takes some time to understand him and himself, and chooses to let the monster go free.

Twice now, we’ve seen people who seem destined to become hunters (how many people said, “It’s a hunter origin story!” when Cole first showed up? How many people hoped for Claire to reappear in 10x09 as an angel hunter, or still want her to become a hunter even now? That’s how ingrained these patterns are) and twice we’ve seen them break the pattern, decide not to become killers, and turn away from that life.

On the other side of the coin is Donna, the season ten character who gets introduced to the supernatural world and does get into hunting. She does it for a very different reason than the usual one, though. She’s one of the only hunters we’ve met who enter the hunting life due to something other than a revenge quest or trauma from monsters killing the people she loves. Donna goes on her first hunt simply because she wants to help protect people from the dark things in the world, and most likely because, as a cop, she feels that it’s her duty to do so. She doesn’t let it bring out her dark side—nor is the idea that it could bring out her dark side even brought up as a possibility. She’s still the same sunny Donna after she’s chopped off a vampire’s head. A little more knowledgeable, a little more confident, but no less human and good.

Maybe it’s not just the individual characters who need to “let go of the story”; maybe the show as a whole is doing the same thing.

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butterflydm

So, Dean’s three-part mirror in his bedroom — it made me think of TFW, and how we’ve seen that the support of a group effort is very important to saving Dean, but it also made me think of Dean’s three mirrors this episode.

Other people have mentioned that the two drifters Claire hooks up mirror Dean, and Claire herself is, of course, a Dean mirror, too. And it breaks down pretty elegantly, actually — we have a scuffy, kinda sleezy looking and acting dude (he carries the axe, the blade-edge); we have a much more charming con-woman (who carries a blunt instrument — a bat, in an episode where both Metatron and Dean use the word ‘slugger’); we have the rage-filled wronged child who was being used by her parental figures but feels emotionally lost without them (she provides the motivation for the other parts of Dean’s mirror to go ‘hunting’ for Dean, but then she also provides the part that says, ‘no' and rushes out to warn him).

Claire is Dean’s inner core while sleezy dude and charming lady are the shells that Dean placed around himself to protect him in the very kinds of places that Claire also found herself in. They’re the facades he developed to keep the world from hurting the inner core.

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Looking at 9.10, I think the “saving” of Dean may work the same way even if it plays out differently. Getting Sam free of Gadreel was a team effort. Dean was in a state of panic and despair, Sam might be dead if Cas hadn’t been there to make suggestions and offer support, Crowley was their wild card, their Ace, but when it came down to it, it was Sam himself needed to boot Gadreel, his taking back his own body and will.

Dean’s sense of self has hit rock bottom. He’s going to need his brother and his best friend, and there’s likely going to be a wild card (not Crowley again I don’t think…but who?). Like Sam, he can’t do it alone, but ultimately it will come down to Dean himself. I’m guessing emotional realization might play out via an external supernatural plot and physical gesture, not ousting another possession necessarily. But…something.

Reblogging myself, from just about this time last year, because I’m so happy this is still viable and relevant especially the “team effort” and “it will come down to Dean himself.”

Okay I just wanted to run around and flail a bit, but SERIOUS META TIME, the “powerful force” as Dean himself concept is now out there in dialogue. & I love that SAM says this. <3 Sam who used to panic when Dean stumbled and resorted to thinking Dean was weak so he had to step up (thinking of S4), but that’s not how things are going now, if Dean stumbles, Sam steps up but sees Dean’s strength and believes in it. I think I said (somewhere) recently that despite his self-worth issues Dean has a strong sense of himself and personhood already, it’s just buried under so many layers of trauma and hurt and buried anger/resentment and the need to soldier on and be the best son/brother/friend/hunter he can be to everyone. This way this MoC storyline is allowing him to show so much vulnerability to Sam and Cas, and how Sam and Cas are stepping up to be his support system—his net or rock or ropes in the storm—are all really important. Dean’s been the protector and the moral compass and the anchor that stays in place while things crumble around him. It’s amazing seeing him be the crisis, frankly. I don’t think it’s misunderstanding Dean or what the show is doing to be alarmed at how the MoC can control him into committing an excessive level of violence. Or what it would do to Dean’s psyche to enact these things. (And why would it not be okay for Sam and Cas to let Dean use himself as a weapon against Metatron, yet good if Dean turns the MoC into a weapon). 

The idea of Dean living with the MoC is really interesting, I’m hesitant about it being a “good” thing turned into a positive because there’s been too much with Sam, Cas, and Dean on this theme of you are more than the hammer, the blunt instrument, the boy with the demon powers, and turning yourself into a weapon isn’t a great idea. However, things right now are pointing towards Dean being able to assert his sense of self over the MoC and if he can do that, it may not need to be removed.

So it does seem like it’ll come down to something within Dean and the “love…and love” is relevant too. Dean + his ropes in the storm. The “people who love me.” I’m still not sure about the “wild card” I thought might come into play. But this storyline seems to be both about Dean’s strength as a person + the role support & love plays, people who believe in Dean and are worried and will pull Dean back from the edge so he can save himself.

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memitims

“I feel like I’m seeing him.”

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carnilia

This episode was SO ROMANTIC. Like, seriously, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, how do the creators of the show explain away the COMPLETELY RAMPANT ROMANTICISM of the Dean & Cas storyline just in this episode alone? You can’t! You cannot make a convincing argument at all. There is no way that this level of explicitly romantic tropes are applied— to these characters, their story, and their relationship in not only the writing, but the lighting, the cinematography, the editing, and (yes) the acting of this episode— and it is somehow accidental. There is just no way! I mean, Dean standing in the darkness, extreme close up of his anguished face, lit as though by the moon, rain pours down outside, he watches it fall down the window as he thinks but cannot bring himself to speak about what happened to Cas, a flash of lightning illuminates his sad eyes as the storm rages outside— that is some Wuthering Heights bullshit right there, are you fucking shitting me?

"How the hell did you find me?"

"Angels are able to find those who pray to them."

"Pray? Oh, believe me, I gave up praying a long time ago."

"It doesn’t have to be a formal prayer, I can, uh, pick up on a longing…"

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filleretive

STOP IT.

The more I think about it the more this works. Season 8 was so patchy in the lore because they clearly forgot Dean was warded from angels, and Cas just constantly pops up by him.

This is Cas literally getting out of Purgatory, presented as him barely even being in this plane until he finally manages to properly manifest behind Dean in the bathroom.

How did he even know to go to Dean? I always assumed because Naomi said she pulled him out that she dropped him there but it’s actually more patchy an explanation because Cas takes a day or two to fully come back to this world.

But imagine him being given the shove by the angels, unknowingly, back to this world, and the beacon that guides him back is the unconscious, unknowing prayer of the one human who misses Castiel specifically - his faith is negligible in every other regard, but his faith and need for Cas is off the charts, so much so he sends out this low-level call constantly in his grief. The one thing that can pull Cas back all the way.

In the end, Dean was the one who dragged every last one of them out of Purgatory.

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butterflydm

How is it possible that they managed to make S8 retroactively even MORE damn romantic?

**whale noises**

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