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THIS IS HOW YOU DO A REDEMPTION ARC.

YOU GIVE THE CHARACTER A CHOICE TO CONTINUE TO DO EVIL, TO DO WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE DONE WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT SEASONS AGO.

AND THEN THEY CHOOSE ANOTHER WAY!!!

“THERE WAS A TIME YOU WOULD HAVE, BUT NOT NOW!!”

This is why Meg’s so-called redemption arc (or when people consider Meg good because of 8x17) doesn’t work for me.

Meg was never presented a choice like Rowena was. Unlike Rowena, at the height of her power, Meg was weak from a year of torture, ally-less save for the begrudging involvement of the winchesters, and at the end of her rope. She had no options - even if she had somehow escaped, she would have just spent the rest of her immortal life running from Crowley again. So instead she makes the choice to face her impending demise head-on. Yeah, it’s lampshaded that she does it for Cas (or because of Cas, depending on your interpretation) knowing that she’ll never catch that unicorn (especially when that unicorn has a unicorn of his own) that she’ll always be a sexual predator that uses and abuses people. But is there really any doubt that she wouldn’t have attempted to kill Crowley either way, given that she hated him since s5? This isn’t a true redemption arc, this isn’t about Meg being redeemed, or feeling remorse for her actions. This was about temporarily aligning with free will and going down fighting, moving from chaotic evil to neutral evil. Not so much ‘kinda good’ as ‘not so much evil.’ 

Rowena, on the other hand, had a choice. We start the episode believing Rowena has fallen back into her old ways, killing for pleasure, or because people had gotten in her way once she was done using them. The old her would have killed Sam without a second thought, no fuss no muss. But she didn’t - further more, she couldn’t. She couldn’t kill Sam, the one person on this planet capable of empathizing with her trauma. Even knowing Sam was destined to kill her, Rowena would have felt his lost, felt guilt or remorse or some actual emotion if she killed him. This isn’t side-stepping from chaotic evil to neutral evil, this is an actual step towards redemption. Progress, as Dean had said. And I sincerely believe Rowena wants to continue down that road.

Earlier, when you were confessing back there…what did you say? I only ask because, given my history…it raises the question… Where do I start…to even look for forgiveness? I mean… 

Hmm, interesting how Rowena in this episode seemed so much like her nearly-human son in 8x23.

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I’m totally dense (I have been staring at the backdrop forever, blankly)

Sister Jo was performing “miracles” in front of a crossroads.

Striking deals, deals that required payment

And Lucifer walked right into it

He stood at the crossroads, said yes, and while he didn’t “kiss” her, you couldn’t pry the sexualization coding off of their scenes with c4.  He may as well have kissed a demon.

I have serious questions, now, about what happens to an angel who consumes another’s grace without killing them…

Guess we don’t have to wonder why that sign is there any more. Good catch!

Anael’s role in the episode is basically a demon’s ideal of what they should be. Not just the business part (also, think about Dean and Sam talking about demons and ‘miracles’ in 13x08 and Barthamus saying “helping people is what I do, my raison d’être”), but also the part where she actually helps Lucifer gain the throne of heaven and stands at his side… that’s basically what the demon loyal to Lucifer expected when they supported the apocalypse (“we’re going to heaven Clarence”), but obviously never got both because the apocalypse failed and also because Lucifer doesn’t actually give a fuck about demons but despises them.

She’s an angel who does the specific deeds an angel does (healing humans) but fundamentally acts like a demon.

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