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corseque

This is very SPOILERY Dragon Age meta that is exploring a possibility that I was thinking about a few months ago, and only found in my drafts now. I think that there are still Reveals that are yet to come about Solas because he’s still suggesting that you’ll have “questions” for him, and there are a few possibilities of what those reveals could be, and this is one of the more likely possibilities.

This depends on the theory that Solas was originally a spirit, so if you don’t agree with that theory this won’t have legs for you, but maybe you’ll find it interesting.

So given established lore, if you draw a Wisdom spirit from the deepest Fade and you bind that spirit and charge it with something opposed to its nature/original purpose—fighting, as extremely clearly defined specifically in Solas’ personal quest  —

 (or “it started with a war,” as Solas describes while grimacing in Trespasser, and also “he did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He wanted to give wisdom, not orders”) 

 — that is exactly how you corrupt a wisdom spirit into (specifically) a pride demon.

So if that’s the case, and if Solas was originally a wisdom spirit

—then we are being told very clearly that Solas was actually “corrupted” into a demon thousands and thousands of years ago.

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Hidden Trespasser mosaics

So I was researching some lore for a theory surrounding the environmental artwork in DAI, and happened to stumble upon this twitter post regarding unused mosaics for Trespasser. 

Coincidentally, I’ve been so deep in statues and elven god symbolism the past few days that I thought I’d chime in with some of my own thoughts.

From left to right in these artworks, I think we’re looking at four different gods involved in Solas’ slave rebellion.

Fen’Harel, Dirthamen/Falon’Din, Andruil, Mythal

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If this hidden game file is anything to go by, it seems to confirm one theory I’ve had for a while- that Solas had help from some of the evanuris with his slave rebellion.

Because when you think about it, it’s kinda hard to believe he could have started a slave rebellion at all with his high profile and attachment to Mythal, especially when slaves seems to have been a big economy in ancient Elvhenan.

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The gods in these mosaics

From left to right in the image

(Note: I actually posted some hi-res shots of the masks from DAO yesterday if you’re interested in seeing unedited screenshots, but I’ll break down my guesses here anyway.)  

1. Fen’Harel is obviously the wolf.

2. Dirthamen’s mask is easiest to spot because it matches the shape of his statues in DAO. Note that Dirthamen and Falon’Din have very similar statues and masks.

Falon’Din is the statue with the spear (recognised by Tamlen as “friend of the dead”) while I believe Dirthamen is the statue with four arms (this also strongly implies the envy demon in DAI is his corrupted raven, Deceit)

I believe Falon’Din and Dirthamen are two aspects of the same being, but how that actually works remains to be seen. Some people have suggested Falon’Din walks the fade while Dirthamen walks the physical realm and perhaps that explains their togetherness and separateness. 

Regardless, it does seem like both Falon’Din and Dirthamen were involved in Solas’ uprising due to the fact that both their mosaics are found inside the elven sanctuary before we see Solas’ mural removing vallaslin.

3. Andruil’s mask seems to fit most similarly to the third mosaic.

The overall curved shape mirrors Andruil’s bow in her mosaic, and the dotted indentation at the top totally looks like an arrow shaft. The eye placement in both the mosaic and the mask hints to me that this is very likely Andruil.

The big question- why would Andruil be helping Solas?

Perhaps because Mythal turned her to their side after she “sapped Andruil’s strength, and stole her knowledge of how to find the Void.”

Or, perhaps Andruil isn’t as “evil” as people think she is.

Sure, she may have brought on the blight (although even this is conjecture, personally I feel like this could very well could be misdirection) and may have hunted “mortal men and beasts”, but who’s to say these beasts and men didn’t deserve what they got? Who’s to say she wasn’t corrupted by the void before she became the “goddess of sacrifice”?

One day Andruil grew tired of hunting mortal men and beasts. She began stalking The Forgotten Ones, wicked things that thrive in the abyss.

This implies to me she could have simply been hunting beings that had given her cause to hunt them. Remember, she was the only god that responded to Ghilan’nain’s cries for help, and at this time Ghilan’nain was one of the People, implying she wasn’t totally evil.

Andruil also has strong links to Falon’Din, because she and Falon’Din share the same symbol of the owl. What if Mythal meted out judgement, Falon’Din brought her judgement to them in the form of the owl (thus fulfilling the role of Andruil’s messenger as well as “friend of the dead”), and Andruil hunted them in turn to render Mythal’s judgement?

“Always keep an eye out for the noble owl. You never know: Andruil might have a message for you.”

It is interesting to see that the owl statue is always carrying what looks like a mirror or even dimension to another world (another prison perhaps?), possibly intended as a way to reflect the viewer’s own self and actions back on to them. 

Anyway, to me there are a number of possibilities why Andruil would work with Solas and co. Perhaps she wasn’t as corrupted as they thought. Perhaps Mythal made her forget so much so she agreed to help them. Or perhaps Andruil was the mole in the rebellion - the person who began the events that led to Mythal’s death.

4. I think the last god represents Mythal, due to the fact the shape is similar to the bronze statues found in the crossroads and deep roads.

There are in fact two versions of this statue - the sun, in the crossroads, and the moon in the deep roads. (brightened and contrast boosted for clarity)

The moon statue is strongly implied to represent Mythal, because a note is found near this statue:

These statues are old. Better shape than anything I’ve seen on the surface. Many of them are for Mythal, though. And Fen'Harel. Not in a spot of honor, but guarding, attending.

Question is, why would the sun also represent Mythal when Elgar’nan is known as the Eldest of the sun? 

Well, not only does the sun statue look very much the yin to the yang of the moon statue in the deep roads, the sun could refer to Mythal being both the sun and moon to the dwarves. 

These statues are notably different to other elven statues we’ve seen- notable for the fact they have a large base of rock, and they are carved in smooth bronze.  As these bronze statues are only found in this particular section of the deep roads where she controlled a lyrium wellspring, perhaps the dwarves carved these as a representation of her.

In the third note you find in the deep roads, a poem reads:

I am empty, filled with nothing(?), Mythal gives you dreams. It fills you, within you(?), Making our leaders proud. My little stones, Never yours the sun. Forever, forever.

It sure seems to me like Mythal was protecting these dwarves from something. Either that, or she was using these dwarves as slaves or minions in her operation and for some reason, they revered her enough to carve their own representations of her.

Morrigan says this of Mythal at the Temple of Mythal:

Let fly your voice to Mythal, deliverer of justice, protector of sun and earth alike.’

Similarly, Solas further says:

She was the mother,  protective and fierce. 

Regardless, I think there’s more evidence indicating Mythal was working with Solas over Elgar’nan. You do need Mythal’s passphrase after all to enter the elven sanctuary safely.

And if you want to take this one step further, check out the crown “Andraste” is wearing in DAO. Look familiar??? Maybe reminscent of the moon statue we see in the deep roads?

I don’t want to say Mythal was Andraste but…there are many signs that are hard to ignore.

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More theory drabble

I realise a lot of the gods’ motives I’ve come up with above are based on conjecture and tbh, the writing for DA4 could go so many ways simply because of the fact that there are so many wide open threads that could be expanded upon.

These unused mosaics does indicate to me at least that the writers have a plan for how Solas’ rebellion actually functioned however, and that to me is exciting in itself.

One thing we can assume with high certainty is that Solas started the slave rebellion before Mythal’s death, because you need her passphrase to enter his sanctuary. Furthermore, even without these unused mosaics there are in-game mosaics of Dirthamen and Falon’Din in the sanctuary before we see the vallaslin mural.

This strongly implies to me that at the very least, even without this hidden game file, that Dirthamen, Falon’Din and Mythal aided and abetted Solas’ slave rebellion.

Further adding to this theory are the the rather compelling links to Dirthamen throughout DAI. For example, the gilded Fen’Harel statues in Dirthamen’s temple’s inner sanctum, Dirthamen’s bleeding statue in the Fade, Dirthamen, Falon’Din, Mythal and Fen’Harel imagery in the Knight’s Tomb, as well as Dirthamen’s statue at Calenhad’s foothold (where it’s implied he had a thing with Ghilan’nain). Not to mention- dual raven standards found underneath Fen’Harel’s sanctuary, as well as archer statues next to the eluvian as you exit (who I believe represent Dirthamen & Falon’Din).

Something clearly happened that led to Mythal’s death, and I’m leaning towards the fact that there was a leak somewhere within Solas’ trusted circle. Dirthamen seems to have been betrayed by someone close to him before the veil was created, because his statue in the fade is stabbed in the back and his eyes are weeping waterfalls of blood. 

As Solas says “…an enemy can attack, but only an ally can betray you. Betrayal is always worse.” 

And, when you tell him you trust your friends? He responds “I know that mistake well enough to carve the angles of her face from memory” 

It is assumed he is talking about Mythal’s own betrayal when he says this, but he could also be referring to the person/people who betrayed him and his trust. Personally, I think Falon’Din and Ghilan’nain could be key players in Mythal’s death at this point. We don’t know enough about the other gods to also make assumptions on their motives unfortunately. 

All in all, it seems to me like every one of the false gods were out to get one another, and Solas never even saw Mythal’s death coming because he was too arrogant/preoccupied with his rebellion.

If Solas really was Mythal’s oldest friend and guardian, his pride would have been absolutely crushed when she was betrayed and killed. The veil was likely a knee-jerk reaction due to his pride and “hot-headedness” more than anything- if he could be outplayed and have his own power and role as “guardian” outright questioned, then of course he would retaliate and raise the stakes even higher. It’s his MO- he has a means to an ends “you didn’t invent war” mentality, disregarding the collateral damage as long as he comes out on top.

This does make me wonder what intentions he has for the false gods once they’re freed though. Obviously Mythal wants her vengeance. But what of Solas? These false gods were his kin after all and the only ones who can truly relate to him on a level no mortal can understand. After all these years of stewing and realising his knee-jerk reaction cost him the entire elven empire, it makes sense he would want to restore what he effectively destroyed when his pride was hurt. 

To me it does seem like he truly hates the evanuris…but could he still be in leagues with some of them? Something I may not put past him, considering I don’t think he worked alone during his rebellion. 

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So these are only parts of two separate discussions I found on Twitter that Bioware’s Mary Kirby had [x] and [x] about Merrill and Keeper Marethari and their arc during Dragon Age 2, but I thought I’d screenshot and include the relevant bits here for meta/discussion here. I thought it was good food for thought, if nothing else. 

In short, what Mary Kirby said is: 

  • Merrill/Marethari’s arc is her favourite out of those she’s written, and shows how vicious and toxic the whole prideful “self-sacrificing for those you love” can be for female characters, rather than being the “good” outcome presented in a lot of media
  • Marethari was likely more influenced by Audacity (i.e. the pride demon on Sundermount) than explicitly said in-game…. did she really bind it to herself in Act 3 to protect Merrill from it, or was this something Audacity suggested that Marethari eventually fell for?
  • Marethari (out of her own pride?) doesn’t trust Merrill to make her own decisions/mistakes and tries to overrule them to “protect her” – something the playable character can also do to Merrill (especially if Hawke chooses to withhold the arulin’holm from her which Merrill gets VERY mad about)
  • Yes, Merrill uses blood magic and deals with demons in DA2, but so does Solas and Dorian in DA:I with very little judgement
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Friendly reminder that the Old Gods had high priests (you know, those guys? The ones who did the whole “let’s picnic in the Golden City” and ended up blighted?)

Seven Old Gods - Seven blighted high priests.

Dumat, the Dragon of Silence - The Conductor of the Choir of Silence Zazikel, the Dragon of Chaos - The Madman of Chaos Toth, the Dragon of Fire - The Forgewright of Fire Andoral, the Dragon of Slaves - The Appraiser of Slavery Uthemiel, the Dragon of Beauty - The Architect of the Works of Beauty Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery - The Augur of Mystery Lusacan, the Dragon of Night - The Watchman of Night

Of the seven Old Gods, five turned into archdemons and were slain. Of their high priests, only two have been encountered thus far (interestingly enough, they’re the only ones with ~expanded~ names).

To summarize, here’s everything that Thedas can look forward to:

  • Two would-be archdemons
  • Five blighted (and powerful) magisters (who can command and lead darkspawn, as well as manipulate grey wardens, and who are capable ot thought, have powerful magic [including blood and blight magic] and who, for the most part, seem to really want to become gods)
  • One very sad and guilt-ridden elven god who wants to tear down the Veil
  • Seven sleeping power-hungry (and potentially blighted?) elven gods who are definitely going to be cranky as hell when they wake
  • One very pissed off kinda-dead elven goddess who really, really wants revenge
  • (one word: Titans)

Bonus: the DA4 protagonist

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corseque

So in Trespasser you find these “Torn Notebook in the Deep Roads” Codex entries made by an elf who is with the Qunari. 

In the First, the elf notices that the statues of Fen’Harel in the Deep Roads aren’t ones where he is being honored, but ones depicting that he is an attendant to Mythal, one who guarded her. (There is much more evidence of him being her attendant.)

In the Second, the elf wonders about why the elves were in the Deep Roads, and what they were mining for. (We know they were mining for “lyrium, and something else.” and that it gave them great power.)

The Third is the most interesting one to me. The elf was trying desperately to remember (and translate) an old bedtime song about Mythal that they remember from their childhood. 

I think the elf translates a key line of the song wrong. 

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anyway it STILL baffles me that ppl get pissed at vivienne specifically for killing that noble douche bag during her introduction quest becuz

1) she literally only does it if YOU tell her to. like. literally HER choice is to destroy him verbally and leave him in social disgrace. YOU can tell her to kill him, it’s YOUR choice if he dies, not vivienne’s

2) this guy was literally about to try to KILL you. like sure he probably would have failed, but he clearly hates you and is literally drawing his sword to attack you when vivienne intervenes. viv is literally acting to save your life in this scene, you ungrateful assholes, not to mention

3) this is orlais. people literally die over bad manners and stupid political moves every damn day in this country. you notice how no one reacts when he dies? his death is by no means considered particularly gruesome or tragic or unwarranted, it’s just another day in the empire and

4) considering how many people YOU, as the protagonist of the game, kill it’s just a SMIDGE hypocritical to hate vivienne for killing this one (1) dude, especially becuz–AGAIN–she only does it on YOUR order

screenshotted this from a post by dalishious on racism in thedas

this is the banter in question:

i’m not saying you should tell Viv to kill him, but… if you do, good riddance.

there is also that, yes

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anyway it STILL baffles me that ppl get pissed at vivienne specifically for killing that noble douche bag during her introduction quest becuz

1) she literally only does it if YOU tell her to. like. literally HER choice is to destroy him verbally and leave him in social disgrace. YOU can tell her to kill him, it’s YOUR choice if he dies, not vivienne’s

2) this guy was literally about to try to KILL you. like sure he probably would have failed, but he clearly hates you and is literally drawing his sword to attack you when vivienne intervenes. viv is literally acting to save your life in this scene, you ungrateful assholes, not to mention

3) this is orlais. people literally die over bad manners and stupid political moves every damn day in this country. you notice how no one reacts when he dies? his death is by no means considered particularly gruesome or tragic or unwarranted, it’s just another day in the empire and

4) considering how many people YOU, as the protagonist of the game, kill it’s just a SMIDGE hypocritical to hate vivienne for killing this one (1) dude, especially becuz–AGAIN–she only does it on YOUR order

Cole reveals during party banter that Vivienne manipulated the Marquis into attacking the Inquisition at her party, which allowed her to move against him in response to a vicious insult he had previously dealt her. I don’t think it’s stated how he insulted her but she set that man up.

This slightly invalidates point number 2 because she put the Inquisitor in this position to begin with but it does shed light on the other points brought up. What she did was most definitely Orlesian but she would’ve happily killed that dude without the Inquisitor around if it gave her an advantage. Her setting him up did two things.

1. She got back at him for insulting her.

2. It put her in the Inquisitor’s good graces which would’ve given her an advantage while trying to get the Inquisitor to accept her offer.

I respect how ruthless she is but she’s as awful as any other Orlesian vying for power.

she doesn’t do anything to manipulate him. she invited him to her party at the same time as the inquisition in the event that he would embarrass himself and guess fucking what he did? she does not FORCE him to attack you, he does that all on his own

would that not have happened if she hadn’t arranged for him to be there at the same time as the inquisitor? no. but he could have ignored the inquisitor and gone about his day and he chose instead to attack you. vivienne didn’t make him do anything, she simply took advantage of his stupidity

it is actually stated how he insulted her. it wasn’t just a vicious insult, it was a RACIST insult. frankly, he gets exactly what he deserved. vivienne was completely in the right to seek retribution against him

i also feel it’s important to point out, YOU CAN TELL HER TO LET HIM GO. you have three options: one, kill him. two, you don’t care, in which she verbally eviscerates him. three, let him go. WHICH SHE DOES

this racist man who grievously insulted her, who she took pains to specifically set up, SHE WILL LET GO. on YOUR word

and yes, all of this is, of course, to ingratiate herself to the inquisitor. so what? she’s from orlais. that’s how the game is played, as far she is concerned. she doesn’t know you, she doesn’t know your intentions, and she IS a benefit to the inquisition. and if you befriend her, she comes to truly care about you and even gives you a gift and introduces you to her family. ya’ll really take her completely reasonable behavior in her introduction way too personally

a final note: vivienne is NOT as awful as any other orlesian noble for two very crucial points. 1) she is a MAGE, and 2) she is BLACK WOMAN in a world where colorism stupidly exists. unlike the orlesian nobility, she did not come from a place of privilege, she had to use the tools provided to her to claw her way up from the bottom

and why did she do that? because, also unlike the orlesian nobility, her ambition is not necessarily for herself, it is to HELP MAGES. that was the whole point of becoming the empress’s court enchanter. that’s the whole point of her actions as divine

regardless of whether you agree with her opinion on the circle and her stance on the rebel mages, she /does/ care about other mages and wants to make life better for them. she joins the inquisition to be part of the solution, and every ounce of power she grabs, she uses to pull her people up with her

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So we know printing presses exist in Thedas, and we know paper is relatively cheap in Thedas, because both of these things have to be true for Varric to be an internationally-bestselling writer of trashy fiction.

And in the real world, the popularisation of the printing press created an information boom that was every bit as massive and revolutionary as the invention of the Internet, and a corresponding spread in sedition.

So consider the following:

City elves, hiding presses in their homes, using tiny, barely-readable type to compress the entire Canticle of Shartan onto a single A4 pamphlet. “Read this and then burn it,” they warn, as they pass it discreetly in the street. In some homes, Shartan is tinder every Sunday.

Anders is not the only mage with his own press. In the mage underground a fierce battle is waged in paper and ink, a natural extension of the arguments among the Fraternities. The Libertarians, Aequitarians and Isolationists pass pamphlets back and forth with such haste that sometimes the ink has barely dried on the page before three responses are posted through the door. Loyalists are rare in the underground, but their occasional output has been known to cause the entire paper supply in a small town to dry up as rebuttals flow in. The Lucrosians charge two silver apiece for their pamphlets, and are generally ignored.

(Sometimes mages escape with books, or find a rare copy in their wanderings. These are preserved and jealously guarded, copied as many times as the ink will allow. Amaranthine is a known hub for the underground magic tome trade… how else would the Warden-Commander find a book on blood magic there?)

(And sometimes those mages are elven, and the books are not about magic but about history, and the city elves print those, too, binding them with care and placing them somewhere anyone can go and look, because it is their history, and now their book, and it belongs to all of them, every single one.)

Paper is not as eternal as the Stone, but the Stone rejected surface dwarves long ago, and so they write their Memories onto paper and copy them relentlessly, storing them in endless libraries and warehouses across Thedas. If one archive burns, then the Memories will live on elsewhere. They write tales of Orzammar, too, and copy what they can from expeditions to recover lost thaigs, for one day Orzammar will fall. On that day the Stone may be lost, but the paper will live on.

It’s rare for casteless dwarves to be literate, but the surface is a land of opportunity and Sigrun is not the only one to learn. They have little interest in Memories, but a great deal in stories, and they tell tales of Paragons that Orzammar would never allow: Branka was off her nut, Tethras once fucked a bronto, Aeducan stole the invention which made him Paragon from another dwarf. Perhaps the stories are true, perhaps they aren’t, but they heal wounds their readers have had for so long that they had forgotten what it was like to be whole.

(One day a mage hands one of their manifestos to the carta dwarf they’re buying lyrium from, and a whole new group of furious essayists are born. It begins as simple venting - they do not have the mages’ academic training - but they learn quickly, and soon their newfound skills find a new target in the Merchants’ Guild for its perpetuation of Orzammar’s caste systems. One essay has a print run of 5000 and is read by at least twice that number of dwarves. It makes its way back to Orzammar, and soon the few literate inhabitants of Dust Town are doing readings to a dozen of their friends at a time, crammed into tiny buildings with guards posted on the doors.)

The Chantry bans private printing presses, but the nobles protest, because they need their weekly slander mags to keep up with the Game - and truthfully, many of the clerics like to read those as well. (Only to be informed about the depravity of the modern age, of course. They certainly don’t enjoy such scandal.) Templars raid homes, but the mages and the elves are careful, and the dwarves have lyrium to offer in exchange for silence. The Chantry tries to discourage literacy among the lower classes, but a learned child is a blessing upon his parents and unto the Maker, and the lower classes can spot hypocrisy a mile away.

And so the information age sweeps Thedas. The people are angry, the pamphlets impossible to stamp out, and the revolution draws ever closer.

I could kiss you oh my god. This is all the stuff that flowered in my mind about possibility, when I realized printing presses had to be a thing, given form.

Also consider: woodcuts/printed images and political cartoons (I’d say Empress Celene getting the Marie Antoinette treatment in the popular presses, but I’m not sure I’d wish that on anyone). Ferelden and a couple Marcher states having the fewest censorship laws, a la England and the Netherlands back when. Like I just.

The setting aesthetic still seems to be mostly late medieval maybe verging into the Renaissance with occasional pulls from elsewhere (Orlais being baroque and/or roccoco af), but they’ve got everything set up for Thedas to be on the verge of an Enlightenment type era /and/ agricultural/scientific revolution. Hhhh.

Oh… This is so good. 

If you guys aren’t following both @charamei and meridok, you’re missing out big time. 

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