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There’s also a large grey area between an Offensive Stereotype and “thing that can be misconstrued as a stereotype if one uses a particularly reductive lens of interpretation that the text itself is not endorsing”, and while I believe that creators should hold some level of responsibility to look out for potential unfortunate optics on their work, intentional or not, I also do think that placing the entire onus of trying to anticipate every single bad angle someone somewhere might take when reading the text upon the shoulders of the writers – instead of giving in that there should be also a level of responsibility on the part of the audience not to project whatever biases they might carry onto the text – is the kind of thing that will only end up reducing the range of stories that can be told about marginalized people. 

A japanese-american Beth Harmon would be pidgeonholed as another nerdy asian stock character. Baby Driver with a black lead would be accused of perpetuating stereotypes about black youth and crime. Phantom Of The Opera with a female Phantom would be accused of playing into the predatory lesbian stereotype. Romeo & Juliet with a gay couple would be accused of pulling the bury your gays trope – and no, you can’t just rewrite it into having a happy ending, the final tragedy of the tale is the rock onto which the entire central thesis statement of the play stands on. Remove that one element and you change the whole point of the story from a “look at what senseless hatred does to our youth” cautionary tale to a “love conquers all” inspiration piece, and it may not be the story the author wants to tell.

Sometimes, in order for a given story to function (and keep in mind, by function I don’t mean just logistically, but also thematically) it is necessary that your protagonist has specific personality traits that will play out in significant ways in the story. Or that they come from a specific background that will be an important element to the narrative. Or that they go through a particular experience that will consist on crucial plot point. All those narrative tools and building blocks are considered to be completely harmless and neutral when telling stories about straight/white people but, when applied to marginalized characters, it can be difficult to navigate them as, depending on the type of story you might want to tell, you may be steering dangerously close to falling into Unfortunate Implications™. And trying to find alternatives as to avoid falling into potentially iffy subtext is not always easy, as, depending on how central the “problematic” element to your plot, it could alter the very foundation of the story you’re trying to tell beyond recognition. See the point above about Romeo & Juliet.    

Like, I once saw a woman a gringa obviously accuse the movie Knives Out of racism because the one latina character in the otherwise consistently white and wealthy cast is the nurse, when everyone who watched the movie with their eyes and not their ass can see that the entire tension of the plot hinges upon not only the power imbalance between Martha and the Thrombeys, but also on her isolation as the one latina immigrant navigating a world of white rich people. I’ve seen people paint Rosa Diaz as an example of the Hothead Latina stereotype, when Rosa was originally written as a white woman (named Megan) and only turned latina later when Stephanie Beatriz was cast  – and it’s not like they could write out Rosa’s anger issues to avoid bad optics when it is such a defining trait of her character. I’ve seen people say Mulholland Drive is a lesbophobic movie when its story couldn’t even exist in first place if the fatally toxic lesbian relationship that moves the plot was healthy, or if it was straight.                          

That’s not to say we can’t ever question the larger patterns in stories about certain demographics, or not draw lines between artistic liberty and social responsibility, and much less that I know where such lines should be drawn. I made this post precisely to raise a discussion, not to silence people. But one thing I think it’s important to keep in mind in such discussions is that stereotypes, after all, are all about oversimplification. It is more productive, I believe, to evaluate the quality of the representation in any given piece of fiction by looking first into how much its minority characters are a) deep, complex, well-rounded, b) treated with care by the narrative, with plenty of focus and insight into their inner life, and c) a character in their own right that can carry their own storyline and doesn’t just exist to prop up other character’s stories. And only then, yes, look into their particular characterization, but without ever overlooking aspects such as the context and how nuanced such characterization is handled. Much like we’ve moved on from the simplistic mindset that a good female character is necessarily one that punches good otherwise she’s useless, I really do believe that it is time for us to move on from the the idea that there’s a one-size-fits-all model of good representation and start looking into the core of representation issues (meaning: how painfully flat it is, not to mention scarce) rather than the window dressing.

I know I am starting to sound like a broken record here, but it feels that being a latina author writing about latine characters is a losing game, when there’s extra pressure on minority authors to avoid ~problematic~ optics in their work on the basis of the “you should know better” argument. And this “lower common denominator” approach to representation, that bars people from exploring otherwise interesting and meaningful concepts in stories because the most narrow minded people in the audience will get their biases confirmed, in many ways, sounds like a new form of respectability politics. Why, if it was gringos that created and imposed those stereotypes onto my ethnicity, why it should be my responsibility as a latina creator to dispel such stereotypes by curbing my artistic expression? Instead of asking of them to take responsibility for the lenses and biases they bring onto the text? Why is it too much to ask from people to wrap their minds about the ridiculously basic concept that no story they consume about a marginalized person should be taken as a blanket representation of their entire community?

It’s ridiculous. Gringos at some point came up with the idea that latinos are all naturally inclined to crime, so now I, a latina who loves heist movies, can’t write a latino character who’s a cool car thief. Gentiles created antisemitic propaganda claiming that the jews are all blood drinking monsters, so now jewish authors who love vampires can’t write jewish vampires. Straights made up the idea that lesbian relationships tend to be unhealthy, so now sapphics who are into Brontë-ish gothic romance don’t get to read this type of story with lesbian protagonists. I want to scream.      

And at the end of the day it all boils down to how people see marginalized characters as Representation™ first and narrative tools created to tell good stories later, if at all. White/straight characters get to be evaluated on how entertaining and tridimensional they are, whereas minority characters get to be evaluated on how well they’d fit into an after school special. Fuck this shit.                            

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me: well my straight friends from middle school all said I am asexual, and I don’t have a problem per se with the label, because it kind of does represent my feelings towards sexuality, I just don’t know what to do with myself right now. am I the only person like this? where are the other asexual people?
lgbt tumblr blogs: Asexuality is a thing, and part of the lgbt+ community!
me: fuckin sweet
ace discourse: Not So Fast! you’re not Gay Enough™ for us to include you in the ingroup of Historically Oppressed Gays And Trans People. since youre not Gay Enough™ by our standards, you’re one of The Straights™ so we’re excluding you and all asexuals who arent Gay Enough™ from our community, because youre Straight™
me: but I literally was just excluded from the privileged group The Straights™ by literal privileged Straight people. where do I go now?
bi people, from under the bus: hey

The “from under the bus” killed me

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Anonymous asked:

Fans of color and particularly Asian fans are saying that you have a history of ignoring the intersectional POV in her meta.

Maybe I am! They would know better than me if I'm fucking it up, and they have every right to have those conversations.

Including having them *in private* if they don't want to deal with the racist assholes in fandom dog-piling on them for daring to complain.

Anyone is welcome to point me at constructive criticism or resources they think I need, but anonymously shit-stirring in my inbox or outing other fans is not that.

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Anonymous asked:

Sucks bc I really enjoyed your writing but seeing your unapologetic racism even after other ppl have mentioned it to you is inexcusable. like maybe analyze why you seem so desperate to demonize the man of color in order to endlessly defend your white fav. Like “brown man doesn’t have the softness of his white counterpart” is not the woke take you think it is

I’m... not sure starting that with “I really enjoyed your writing” is the backhanded compliment you were going for, considering the second half of that is some really willful reading incomprehension, which makes me concerned that you could think you like what I write.

I have assuredly been unintentionally racist in my work some times, I am a white lady in a racist society, but I do try to avoid the worst traps, and am more than willing to have others pointed out to me when I step right in them... but no one’s done that.

You haven’t even actually done that, tbqh, but whatever. I didn’t really want to reply to this, because I know I shouldn’t feed the trolls, but.

BUT.

I do want to make sure people know they can tell me when they think I’ve crossed a line. (But you do, yk, actually have to tell me, not just spout buzzwords at me.) I won’t reply publicly if you don’t want me to, just lmk in the ask.

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This is a very good essay about Keanu Reeves as a mixed-race asian actor, and makes a really strong point about how critics and many viewers react to him in films:

Exotic, mysterious, enigmatic, wooden, robotic, androgynous. Words that have been used to describe Keanu—so often, for so many years, they’re the tired clichés of any discourse around him. But what’s not discussed in the mainstream is how these are also highly racialized descriptions, particularly around Asian Americans, and Asian masculinities. As a kid I might not have immediately racialized Keanu, but it’s never been a secret from the public. Far from it. And much smarter people than me have argued that his race has affected how critics understand him and his work.  

It’s also about how he embodies masculinity, particularly in the John Wick movies, and anyway, if you have to read something from the recent spate of Keanu Discourse lately, go read this one.

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Anonymous asked:

Hold up, let me get this straight, you are supporting this whole shdldr thing; where jalecs are free to post their damn incest ship, alec stans are free to post their fetishy malec fic where magnus, a moc, is almost always a dom/dark and alec is the uwu pure white boy??? ‘free to ship whatever you want’ but some ships are straight up incest/racist/homophobic like clalec and jalec!!!!!!!! Also yes let’s all write fic where we infantilise our uwu white boy and demonise the man of colour...........

Yep

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