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@enlitment / enlitment.tumblr.com

24 | she/her | obsessed with the French Revolution, Ancient Rome, and the Enlightenment | history, philosophy, lit, classics & 18th-century drama enthusiast | most likely haunted by Rousseau's ghost
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The real history of his life is actually deeply fascinating and his actual harm caused was pretty tame, compared to his books. He was arrested by the monarchy because his family was constantly engaged in political intrigue against him. The revolutionaries hated him because he opposed the death penalty and so they accused him of "moderatism". Napoleon hated him because de Sade was a revolutionary who criticized Napoleon in his books. And his family was constantly manoeuvering to have him rearrested when he escaped or was released from prison, so he died in an asylum.

He was still a dick in a lot of ways and did do some shitty things. But if you think he's worse than anyone who imprisoned him, you don't know how vile French society was at the time. His books, whatever you think about his irl actions, were the fantastical and outrageous works of a man who was so thoroughly condemned that his motto may as well have been "I'll give you something to cry about".

I know this is a common argument, but Sade did worse than write mean books. He assaulted one sex worker - threatening to blow her brains out if she didn’t blaspheme God; he kidnapped and beat a serving girl within an inch of her life, forcing her to escape via bedsheets; he appears to have kidnapped several other young women around his estate, prompting at least one of their fathers to try and kill him.

Local brothel owners even got to the point where they would largely refuse Sade access to their workers. If he’s just as bad as every other aristocrat, why do brothel owners highlight him as being especially shitty?

He was more than a bit of a “dick,” I’m afraid.

And that’s off the top of my head, and what is documented. Who knows how often the aristocrat just boogied off Scot free. A man who points a gun at a woman’s head can be expected to fire. It would not shock me if he murdered at least one woman and simply never got investigated because who cares about a poor woman?

Yes, he was occasionally persecuted for BS like sodomy and blasphemy. And it’s true, other aristocrats may or may not have been doing equally bad or worse things. But I don’t know about them, that’s all speculation. I know about Sade. And he was, in fact, awful. He wasn’t just arrested for Thought Crimes that he decided to lean into in his writing.

I am fascinated by Sade, I read a lot of his works, I wrote a thesis on him.

But he was trash.

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For the record tho so many parents sucked

Robespierre’s dad sucked and dipped

Danton’s mom was at least neglectful, given he got gored in the face twice (I am being 85% facetious don’t @ me)

Talleyrand’s parents are going to shove him into the church due to his disability, apparently not caring that Talleyrand - look at Talleyrand. He’s not a churchman. He’s not. Look at him.

Something, something, on the other end of the political scale Marie Antoinette’s parents are going to ship her to France at 14 and I know it’s how monarchy rolls but like also that’s why we need to get rid of monarchy because that is some shit to the bull

Marquis de Sade’s mom abandoned him and resented him for ruining his political career at four (four!) and his dad openly hated him and oh boy Sade grew up into a sack of shit but, and this isn’t an excuse, but what do you think you’re gonna get

Idk it might be easier to have a poll like, “what figure born from 1740-1815 had a parent who was not a jerk?” “Which parent was the least shitty?”

(This is a response to banter with @enlitment!)

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Didn't know about de Sade's parents! (also lol at Danton... actually kind of a fair point)

Humbly adding D'Alambert's mother Claudine Guérin de Tencin who straight up left his son on the steps of a church a few days after he was born

(also I actually really want to do a decent enough parent poll as well, @anotherhumaninthisworld already proposed a contender and I have one in mind as well! I'll get to it tomorrow)

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Oh this one's evil!

Behead Marquis de Sade because there's no way I could ever match his freak. Would love an opportunity to talk to him before though. I have a lot of questions.

Wed Émilie. I'm kind of a dummy when it comes to physics but I'm sure we'll still be able to have interesting conversations. The fact that her family likely owned several mansions doesn't hurt either.

And again, it's not like she ever took the sanctity of marriage all that seriously, so I'd imagine there'd still be a lot of freedom for both parties. Win-win!

That leaves me with no other option but to bed Cicero I guess. Huh. I mean, something to potentially tell grandchildren about I guess. Also a potential for the head on the rostra jokes.

on a completely unrelated note, does anyone know if noise-cancelling headphones were a thing in the late Roman Republic?

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