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RenkonNairu is the Emperor's Foot

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🎗️They/Them | 30+ | Happily Married to @variouslengthsofwire Just a collection of random things. Fandom related. Catch me on AO3 as RenkonNairu; https://archiveofourown.org/users/RenkonNairu
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Hey, fandom side of Tumblr, I need help workshopping a reply to this comment:

I love this story mainly for the superbat but I hate Tim drake so it’s been hard reading some parts especially parts with Jason since I love him. After this chapter I’m not sure I can finish this story which sucks because I do enjoy it. Can you please tell me if Bruce and Clark make up and get back together again?

This comment was left on the 13th chapter of the THIRD (3rd) installment of a fic series.

The series is a Tim/Kon ship fic. Meaning that Tim Drake is one of the main characters. Jason, the character the reader says they love barely even appears in the series and, in fact, isn't even tagged as a character in the second two installments.

In the first fic in the series Jason was tagged as a character.

Jason was the last character tagged.

In my own fandom experiences that implies that the character is not a central character but just ensemble cast.

In the third installment, the fic this reader left the comment on, Jason isn't even tagged at all!

I just do not understand why this reader picked up reading my fic in the first place. Yes, they said they're into Superbat and that is also a ship in this fic. But Superbat is one of the most popular ships in this fandom. I refuse to believe that this reader couldn't find a fic that ship's Superbat in which Jason is a more pivotal or central character. Like, come on!

Anyway, that's why I need some help workshopping a reply to this comment. I do not understand the commenter's motivation and so don't know what kind of response to send.

I don't even understand why they stuck with the fic for so long (three installments totalling 200k words), they could have dipped out at any time.

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emperorsfoot

randomly just remembered an upsetting fan fic I read 4+ years ago and made myself angry

actually, I made myself very very angry. so now you all get to hear the tale!

So, years ago, I was in a fandom and this fandom had a handful of main characters. Let's call them G, K, and B.

  • G was my favorite character
  • K was their canon love interest (and also one of my favorite characters)
  • B was G's first cousin
  • i hate B (to this day, even though I'm not in the fandom anymore)

I shipped G/K, which was canon. But the biggest ship in the fandom (at that time) was B/G.

Anyway, back on FanFiction.Net I got a PM offering to do a "Review Exchange" where the author PMing me would read and comment on my fic if I read and commented on one of their fics in return. They were a B/G shipper.

But whatever. I figured just reading something short was no big deal and they had a bunch of one-shots on their profile to choose from (I chose the shortest one).

It was terrible.

It was a split timeline fic showing two different outcomes depending on who B chose to marry. The fist part being where B chose to marry his canon love interest at the time, G married K, G and K had a kid together and were happy, and B became President of Earth. The second half was if he married G and the author wanted the reader think this should be the better future because B was happier. But, B and G were living in a dingy camping van with their grandfather (who was somehow okay with both his grandchildren getting married?), B was unemployed and the family had no source of income, and, the new was reporting on how gross it was that B married and fathered a child with his cousin. And we're supposed to think this is the good future? Because B is happy?

First of all, B is the worst character. He is a shitty, egotistical, self-centered garbage human being.

Second of all, how come his choice is the only choice that matters? What about G's choice? G very clearly wanted K and the author didn't bother to EXPLAIN why G made a decision that went against everything they were shown to want in canon. But the author was all like "noooo~oo all B had to do is tell G he likes them then G will just fall into his arms bCaUsE hE's ThE hErO..." As if G has no autonomy of their own. (Yes, I know they're fictional. But they wrote B as if he were a nuanced person and wrote G as of they were just a sexy lamp.)

Finally, if you write for the most popular ship in a fandom and you have to barter with people to get comments, maybe you just write shitty fic! Like, if you write for the most popular ship in your fandom and can't get people from your own camp of that fandom to review your story, then you're doing something wrong.

But it was an exchange, so I wrote a polite review saying I disagreed with the conclusion but it was interesting to see a different perspective. Very short. Polite. I didn't direct it (mostly because I just didn't wanna invest anymore time in it than I already did).

Anyway, their review of my fic was along the lines of "this was very well written but I disagree with everything in it" and then it was three more paragraphs about how I should have made B the central focus (I made him a side character, honestly, I wish I could have just never included him at all), and that G shouldn't be with K because of something he did when they were children that was later retconned out anyway. G should be with B.

And I just like... did you request a "Review Exchange" because you thought it gave you license to be a jerk?"

Anyway, moral of the story is:

If someone approaches you bartering for comments on fic, don't do it!

Fan fiction is meant to be fun and if you have to put yourself through something unpleasant to buy a comment that will probably suck anyway, you're better off just not getting a comment.

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I reread my own fan fiction because I wrote what I wanted to see. I am my own target audience.

I get board reading my own fan fiction because I wrote it, I know exactly what's gonna happen and exactly what the author was thinking. There's no excitement, no suspense.

I beg other people in the fandom to write and post their own fan fictions because it is a pitiful existence alone, but together we create a beautiful experience.

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Yeah corners of the MOTU franchise gotten ugly in the last few years. First real “controversy” was the 2018 She-Ra character designs. Though that died really quick. Now it’s all the Revelations stuff and probably changes to the CGI he man that aren’t white bread Keldor related

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Exactly. Discourse and conflict will always be in fandom and its not because of shipping. It because people have strong Opinions™ and can't stand that other people have different Opinions™ from them.

(Also, as far as I've seen -not counting the day the trailer came out- I'm the only person talking about White Bread Keldor.)

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I find it kinda funny when people are confused how people can watch or be interested in She-Ra without being interested in Catra

Like-

I literally only watched Spop for Hordak and Entrapta. I didn’t even know if they were minor MINOR characters, I just thought they looked cool together, and they’re still my favorite part of watching this show

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emperorsfoot

I get this in so many of my fandoms, not just SPOP.

It's like people can't even comprehend that a person can dislike the main character (or in Catra's case, main antagonist) of a show. The protagonist is usually my LEAST favorite character in most media. Like, Catra upsets me. I do not like seeing her on screen because she's always doing something cruel to the rest of the cast (many of whom are my favs).

I don't really like Adam, I feel he's kinda bland. I don't "hate" him or anything, I just like almost every other character in the cast better. I don't like Goku, he annoys me. I absolutely hate Ben for Ben 10, and in that fandom I have flat out been told I did not belong if I didn't like the main character.

There seems to been this trend in fandom cultures that a person is required to like the main character (or in Catra's case, main antagonist) in order to be a "real fan", and if you don't like the main character, then you don't belong in the fandom.

And I feel like this is a big contributing factor to why so many fandoms are so toxic nowadays.

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Nothing like being in a fandom where you have the main character’s tag blocked because you cannot stand the main character’s stans. 

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