Oh, here we go now this person (and friends) are claiming Jensen is bi via a sneaky recording!! 🤦‍♀️

Jensen's sexuality is nobody's business but his own!

Plus you shouldn't be sneakily recording ANYONE at op/autos without either party's consent!

Swear to God, these delulus could end world hunger. They grab a crumb and make a feast!

Saying "sexuality is fluid" means automatically bi? On what grounds? And even if so, its not something to be taken and used as evidence for whatever. Let the guy exist is peace.

And this delulu? Oh she definitely should box herself in. I know a lot of good places where she could box herself in.

This is fuckin creepy as hell that this is what she gets from it. Someone box her in, JFC.

And all these fuckin freak, Jesus. No, you won't get "proud bi Dean" in any revival you absolute shit for brains. Keep on deluding yourself til the end of time.

What the fuck is "re-canon"?

Hellers stop creating new words/terms to mean DOESN'T EXIST. 🤨

Funny how this person's illicit recording just so happens to omit whatever the previous fan said to Jensen for him to say that back to them, huh? I mean, it's not like the guys get fans telling them about their personal struggles with sexuality (and everything else) all the time, looking for reassurance! Nope, Jensen is definitely thinking of and speaking about himself and/or Dean rather then spouting a generic reassuring platitude about human experience overall to validate that fan!

Furthermore, even if we set common sense aside and assume it was a personal statement, cause Jensen's such an open book like that, spewing personal information to all sundry? And we ignore the creepiness of internet publishing something he didn't mean to make as a public statement to more than that one fan? It's still batshit crazy to jump to it having literally anything to do with their ship.

The story of Supernatural was never a romance in the past, and there is literally no reason to assume it would be in the hypothetical future beyond their own personal obsession. Furthermore, sexuality being fluid has never precluded there still being pretty strictly straight and gay people. So again, jumping directly to making this a revelation about Dean's sexuality being rewritten (or Jensen's personal preferences for that matter) is based on nothing more than their fevered imaginations. Even beyond that? They always try to assert that bi!Dean would automatically mean D/C, because obvs if Dean was into dudes, he'd want to fuck Castiel!!! Nah, he isn't into monster-fucking and he could so do better even if he was. Definitely no unfortunate stereotypes involved in their years of insistence that being bisexual obviously means he's thinking about fucking every man he ever interacts with and can't possibly want to be ONLY friends with anyone he could possibly be fucking instead!

Obviously trying to publicize a statement Jensen made about sexuality to an individual who isn't even this person without the context in which it occurred is the grossest part. But the rest is pretty fucking stupid, too.

So much to say about this but I'm so tired so I'll do a list.

1. Conveniently, this recording omits the context of what is being replied to.

2. "Sexuality is fluid. Don't box yourself in." Sounds more like advice given to someone who is experiencing attractions outside their label, and are worried about testing out those avenues. It's simple advice to allow yourself to experience things without worrying about whether what you're experiencing is "real" or you're "lying," which is something you see a lot of worry about in the queer community, especially in the younger ones.

3. I know Jensen is a modern man, more progressive than his homophobic father, but he still doesn't always seem to know the lingo or the issues that are well known in modern lgbtq+ areas, so the idea of him using this terminology is difficult for me to grasp. Maybe I'm just remiss in watching the backlog of convention videos, and remain clouded on Jensen lore. It'd be awesome to me to learn he does know and use this sort of terminology, but even if he did it doesn't tell you anything about where he personally falls on that spectrum; it doesn't say that Dean, who Jensen has repeatedly said he plays straight, is bi; and it certainly doesn't strictly mean "bi," either. Like. Do they hear themselves? Do THEY know what spectrum means?

4. This doesn't even sound like Jensen to me? I mean, granted, I'm sick so my hearing isn't 100%, and I know Jensen's real voice is slightly higher than the Dean affect he often puts on, but even the speech pattern and upward lilt on the ends of the sentences seem not-Jensen to me?

5. Why would they put the recording over an op pic with hayden christensen?

OP commented that it's AI generated.

Is that why it says holy bible? LMAO. What is that tweet? The holy bible, Hayden Christensen, and audio that says sexuality is fluid with an spn con tag.

Oh, here we go now this person (and friends) are claiming Jensen is bi via a sneaky recording!! 🤦‍♀️

Jensen's sexuality is nobody's business but his own!

Plus you shouldn't be sneakily recording ANYONE at op/autos without either party's consent!

Swear to God, these delulus could end world hunger. They grab a crumb and make a feast!

Saying "sexuality is fluid" means automatically bi? On what grounds? And even if so, its not something to be taken and used as evidence for whatever. Let the guy exist is peace.

And this delulu? Oh she definitely should box herself in. I know a lot of good places where she could box herself in.

This is fuckin creepy as hell that this is what she gets from it. Someone box her in, JFC.

And all these fuckin freak, Jesus. No, you won't get "proud bi Dean" in any revival you absolute shit for brains. Keep on deluding yourself til the end of time.

What the fuck is "re-canon"?

Hellers stop creating new words/terms to mean DOESN'T EXIST. 🤨

Funny how this person's illicit recording just so happens to omit whatever the previous fan said to Jensen for him to say that back to them, huh? I mean, it's not like the guys get fans telling them about their personal struggles with sexuality (and everything else) all the time, looking for reassurance! Nope, Jensen is definitely thinking of and speaking about himself and/or Dean rather then spouting a generic reassuring platitude about human experience overall to validate that fan!

Furthermore, even if we set common sense aside and assume it was a personal statement, cause Jensen's such an open book like that, spewing personal information to all sundry? And we ignore the creepiness of internet publishing something he didn't mean to make as a public statement to more than that one fan? It's still batshit crazy to jump to it having literally anything to do with their ship.

The story of Supernatural was never a romance in the past, and there is literally no reason to assume it would be in the hypothetical future beyond their own personal obsession. Furthermore, sexuality being fluid has never precluded there still being pretty strictly straight and gay people. So again, jumping directly to making this a revelation about Dean's sexuality being rewritten (or Jensen's personal preferences for that matter) is based on nothing more than their fevered imaginations. Even beyond that? They always try to assert that bi!Dean would automatically mean D/C, because obvs if Dean was into dudes, he'd want to fuck Castiel!!! Nah, he isn't into monster-fucking and he could so do better even if he was. Definitely no unfortunate stereotypes involved in their years of insistence that being bisexual obviously means he's thinking about fucking every man he ever interacts with and can't possibly want to be ONLY friends with anyone he could possibly be fucking instead!

Obviously trying to publicize a statement Jensen made about sexuality to an individual who isn't even this person without the context in which it occurred is the grossest part. But the rest is pretty fucking stupid, too.

I'm going to say something that will make sense to the Fandom Olds and will probably be slightly controversial to the younger crowds, but I'm going to say it anyways

TPTB becoming increasingly aware of fandom and fanfiction over the past two-ish decades and thus, the spawning of the expectation of your ship going canon has ruined fandom a little bit

I mean, fandom does a great job of ruining itself a lot of the time, but this idea that a ship isn't "real" or "valid" if it isn't canon

or the idea that one ship is superior to the other because one is canon and the other isn't?

it's absolutely bananas

I grew up in an era of fandom where characters didn't even have to be from the same media source to ship them. I mean, do you know how many BtVS/HP crossover fics I read back in the early 2000s???

That shit was never gonna be canon, but we had fun with it, anyways

Like. Yeah, a lot of fanon speculation is bullshit, but it always has been and always will be. You have hundreds and/or thousands of people riffing off each other, the observations and the meta will always be deeper than what TPTB intended, and that's okay! That's what makes it fun!

I just think more people would be a lot happier in their fandom experiences if they realized that fandom is supposed to be an escape instead of a crusade

fandom is supposed to be an escape instead of a crusade

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wild thing about all those "why are people over 30 still in fandom" posts is that the idea of fandom (in the sense of writing fic etc) being a youth subculture or even a hobby that was particularly accepting of young people is insanely recent, like, last 20 years at most. prior to that not only was fandom overwhelmingly both driven and populated by people well into adulthood, but if you were a teen trying to write or discuss fic on livejournal or usenet you almost certainly avoided telling people your age, not only because that was general best practice for minors on the internet at the time but because you'd have felt very out of place if all those grownups had known you were a kid, and in fact there's a good chance they would have banned you from whatever community you were trying to participate in. the way that state of affairs managed to get memory-holed so completely we've transitioned to one where a lot of people think fanfiction is and has always been a hobby for teenagers that some unusually childish adults just never grow out of is genuinely bizarre

*Assuming they are aware of the common fandom spelling of 'Cas'/knowledgeable about fandom history

I have complicated feelings about this.

Like, Cass is technically correct. However, it only appears in the show a couple of times written out and the fandom at large had already been pretty consistently running with Cas. So I personally find myself torn between wanting to be correct but also thinking Cass just looks weird after seeing it written the other way so much.

Therefore I don't get too bothered about what version anyone else uses. Still, it is a bit of a pointed choice to go against fandom convention, so it's noticeable when it happens. In terms of it being anti-Castiel or actively aggressive to use Cass?

The same Castiel fans who insist it MUST ONLY ever be Cas and canon is WRONG and they know how it is REALLY spelled? Are, IME, the exact same fans who generally insist other things they don't like about the canon are WRONG and BAD and the show OWES them to make their in-group fanon/fanfic canon instead. Like Castiel being a lead instead of a supporting character. Like that ship happening.

So sometimes, yeah, it is done in a very pointed way - to weed out the kind of fans who are going to take being reminded that things they don't like are canon as a personal attack. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If I only had the attention span and focus and time, I would go off on a epic length rant about how Supernatural did not, in fact, hate or even dislike women, despite popular fanon that insists it did. But, alas, I have too many other things that need my attention and very little attention to spare any of them. So y'all'll just have to deal with me randomly popping off about it. I get that I'm in the minority on this subject.

I think some of it is just part and parcel of current day fandom's tendency to tout representation as, if not the end-all-be-all of storytelling worth, at least the should-be priority of all stories. Which is part of how so many seem to fail to understand that not prioritizing women's stories =/= hating women.

No. It's the everybody dies show, revolving around and prioritizing Sam & Dean's story. Not Bela's or Meg's or Jo's or Ellen's or Ruby's or or Linda's or Mary's or Billie's or Rowena's or or or. In the same way it wasn't John's or Bobby's or Gordon's or Andy's or Henriksen's or Castiel's or Crowley's or Ketch's or or or. And it's not just about death, because it wasn't Jody's or Claire's or Lisa's or Jack's or Garth's either.

Of course there are some aspects of the show that are sexist, but find a show where that's not true. Especially one that started way back in 2005! At the end of the day, though, the Winchesters surviving to the last episode while nearly everyone around them of various genders, orientations, and other identities dies sooner or later in a horror fantasy canon - is just a matter of following the story the show told you it was setting out to tell from the beginning. There seems to be this expectation that not only should a show include diverse characters, but that in doing so, it's obligated to wrap them in bubble wrap so they never have anything bad happen to them and certainly they can't *gasp* die. No matter what their story is - how strong of a character they are, how much agency they have, how much depth and sympathy they're given, what makes the most sense thematically and given the setting as the way for their story to go. Nope, if you don't preeminently elevate or dare to kill those characters, you hate them and all people like them! Who needs nuance when you can go on a crusade pretending to be oppressed?

Those people(real fans) who say he's only slept with women actually watched the show. You can't claim "biphobia" when he wasn't into men.

Calling Cass the 'gay' angel when he's kissed and/or slept with women is also biphobia, but hellers don't want to talk about that.

Yeah, they are so embarrassingly clueless about how obviously full of shit they are to anyone outside the batshit bubble. Reducing Castiel's entire character, not even just his sexuality, to 'the gay angel', but also?

Ah, yes, biphobia is not calling a character bisexual for consistently having reciprocal romantic/sexual interactions only with women. It's definitely not, say, completely ignoring what the character says and (who they) do to instead interpret their ~*true sexuality*~ from things they eat or drink, what they stand next to, how they sit, how they walk, what they wear, who they make eye contact with, what entertainment they like, etc. Because bisexuals, or people of any sexuality, totally act only in prescribed, preset ways you can totally tell just by looking at them! So much more valid than how they choose to label themselves and who they have relationships with! They can't hide their REAL sexuality when we look at the super sneakret clues they involuntary give off instead!!!

They desperately want to pretend to be social justice warriors instead of just obsessed pathetic ship wankers, but they're about as woke as Rip Van Winkle a year into his nap.

one big thing i think people outside fandom (like, all fandoms, fandom in general, not any particular one) tend to misunderstand is they know it's a subculture of people who are weirdly deeply invested in fictional media, and they hear about drama caused by people in those subcultures being unhinged in not-fun ways, and they think the unhingedness comes from the fact of being overinvested in works of fiction.

which is a natural assumption, but in my experience that's not really the case? like in my experience the drama llamas in fandom are usually not the ones who are just genuinely very deeply into the fiction. i've known people who are basically thinking about star trek or x-men comics or supernatural pretty much 100% of their free time and ime that type of person is usually very nice and surprisingly functional in their regular life. when someone's a constant nexus of fandom drama it's usually not that they are obsessed with the actual work of fiction the fandom is about, it's at least one of the following:

and very often you get the same person doing 2 and sometimes even all 3 of these, and that's where the trouble really starts

holy shit I've never seen this articulated but OP is EXACTLY RIGHT.

HAHAHAHA This is funny as fuck. In what world do these people live in??? Dean will reciprocate??? 🤣🤣🤣

Putting aside the whole fantasy of Jensen as producer in and of itself? As well as the usual delusion they have that if they just keep SAYING that scene can ONLY be seen as romantic that magically makes it true?

They've literally asked Jensen about the potential followup to Castiel's yammering speech directly at least twice post-canon. I think the first time was one of the Jibcons, where Jensen said something about a hug and then joked about Dean asking what the hell was up with that goodbye before laughing and saying, no really Dean would just say good to see you ol buddy, how's it going pal? At the last Purcon, he said there was nothing to be resolved because Dean 'took in' the statement of 'one of his best friends/allies' and nothing more needed to be said. Every time the subject has come up, Jensen has consistently used platonic terms to talk about Dean's relationship with Castiel from Dean's end - friend, best friend, buddy, pal, brother in arms, brother, family, ally.

Not only is that what he's directly said when asked over and fucking over again? But if he really wanted Dean to reciprocate that nonsense eleventh hour ambiguously queerbait-y bullshit Misha and Berens cooked up as a romantic thing? He could have done it in the show itself during that stupid scene while Misha was making clown faces. Or he could have shown literally any interest in Bobby's statement Castiel was working with Jack on heaven rather than being in The Empty. He even more easily could have made it a thing in The Winchesters where his actual choice was to make (so far as I'm aware) literally zero mention of the angel even existing.

But that's not what they want to hear. So they continue telling each other weird reinterpreted distortions of things he's said, collecting super sneakret clues, and telling a few outright lies to explain how the REAL Jensen is secretly pining away for the opportunity to make D/C canon but keeps not doing it quite yet ... for reasons! But soon! It has to happen!

As they have been doing for, I don't even fucking know how long it's been now. Suffice it to say a batshit crazy amount of time.

I don't know, maybe I'm petty, but for me it read like Misha can't say an intelligent thing to save his life and had to copy a quote from his "bully" to look smart. I wasn't offended, I found it delicious. Edited it to add: Maybe your suspicions are right and he did it on purpose. My take: he may not be that smart.

See, my least charitable take is this:

We know Misha has expressed inadequacy issues over Jared's intelligence before. So I suspect he was trying to make himself look smarter by taking that quote and acting like he'd really put ~*deep thought*~ into its meaning. Since he thereafter dismissed it as dumb, he's effectively slyly implying Jared is ~*less thoughtful*~ for liking it so much.

Except like dumbass heller meta, it misses the forest for staring intently at the bark of one particular tree. It's not actually deep to act like you entirely fail to understand the overarching concept and purpose of inspirational quotes.

Though, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he just literally didn't put any thought into it beyond stealing from Jared because he didn't have anything of his own to say, either.