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In Infinity War, Banner is Loki in disguise

So, yesterday I went to watch Infinity War again because I wanted to focus on this fact and see if it could actually be real. And guys, the answer is YES. (ohmygod!!!)

  1. When Hulk fights Thanos it’s still Banner. But when they finish, we don’t see Hulk nor Loki for some time and that’s when they switch and Loki takes Hulk’s shape. Banner probably escapes with Valkyrie somehow. I am sure they have a plan.
  2. Heimdall sends Hulk to Earth. Hulk?! Heimdall barely know who is Banner! He never even talked to him! Why would he send Banner and not, for example, Thor? Because that’s actually Loki.
  3. When “Banner” arrives on Earth, he is terrified: terrified of the kind like he knows a lot about Thanos and what he does. But how can he? Do you really think they had all of this time to tell Banner everything when Thanos suddenly showed up and began to kill everyone? He could have just been another bad guy at his eyes, but no, here he was absolutely desperate and with no real reason (I hope you understood what I’m trying to say). That’s not Banner.
  4. Banner tells Tony that Thanos destroys every planet and already has the Power and Space Stone and he is already super powerful. How can he know? When Thanos manages to hold the Tesseract, Hulk is already KO and moreover when Banner is Hulk he doesn’t understand what’s going on. Only Loki and Thor really see that Thanos takes the Space Stone. Again, how can Banner know he already has the Power Stone? For the same reason written above, he cannot. Guys, he can’t. That’s Loki.
  5. Loki knows that Banner can transform into Hulk and, being a shapeshifter, he tries to. But eventually he will find out that he cannot because he can take people’s shapes but not their powers. So he would never have Hulk’s strength.
  6. Banner tells Tony that Loki’s attack to New York was actually because of Thanos. Again, how can Banner know? Like if when Thanos arrived they quietly sat down and told Banner everything about Thanos. Do you realize it’s absurd?
  7. Banner makes continuous references to New York. Why couldn’t he do it with Sokovija, for example? Because he is Loki.
  8. It’s impossible to ignore Banner’s outburst of joy when Thor shows up in Wakanda. He laughs aloud and says he wants to see what they’ll make up now. It reminded me so much of Loki’s joyful reaction when in Ragnarok Thor was beaten by Hulk. Guys, that’s Loki as he sees his brother is still alive and badassing (thing he couldn’t be sure about, having left as Hulk through the Bifrost).
  9. We see Banner in the Hulk Buster fighting. Now, Hulk can fight because it’s Hulk but Hulk and Banner are two completely different beings. And honestly, has Banner ever punched someone in his life? Ha. Banner is a scientist and angel, he wouldn’t touch a fly. And yet we see him punching and kicking super professionally in Wakanda, which is super weird. But if you think that that’s Loki, who can fight pretty well, everything makes sense. And if you look closely you see Loki’s technique in the fight.
  10. You’ll wonder how can Loki know a) about Clint, b) about Vision’s technology and c) about Bruce and Nat’s relationship. a) Loki knows about Clint as he mind-controlled him in Avengers 1. b) Loki is very intelligent, he knows a lot about the Stone, he knows about how Vision came to life because in Age of Ultron he was there, hiding (hooded figure) and actually he doesn’t really know everything in such a great detail in fact when he speaks with Shuri he is in a bit of difficulty. c) Loki is a mind-reader and had the occasion to get to know Nat (during Avengers 1, while he is in the cage) and with Bruce (throughout Ragnarok and a little bit Avengers 1 too).

So guys, you can see that there are many things that don’t make a lot of sense but this theory fixes them and makes them all agree with one another. Loki is the God of Mischief and I could go on forever telling why he decided to die in front of Thor and how did he double himself and about the fact that he didn’t turn into his Jotun form when he “died”, but this post is already very long (sorry!).

Now, what do you think?

Also, in Thor: Ragnarok, Bruce states multiple times that if he turns into the Hulk, he will be stuck like that, no more Banner. 

Interesting theory…

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robotmango

my primary reaction to infinity war is like…. wow. under hypercapitalism we literally can’t imagine any other fables about resource scarcity, huh?

i’m not even talking about only thanos. every time thanos said his plan to kill half the galaxy (because it’s “finite,” lol ok one-semester-of-econ guy) the other characters were like “no!” or “you can’t!” or “that’s madness!” instead of… counter-arguing, or saying anything like “couldn’t you just… double the resources with a snap of your fingers?” obviously, nobody wants thanos to murder all those people, but it’s also as if everyone tacitly accepts his framing of the problem. “i want to kill half the universe because of resource scarcity,” he says, and everyone says “no, that’s too cruel!!” instead of “wait… wait just a fucking second there, paul ryan.” they don’t even have a line like that even when they’re talking amongst themselves, just musing at how twisted his worldview is, that he can only imagine infinite power as an infinite power to kill. no time is spent imagining an alternative.

and i can’t help but think about how we in the quote-unquote “first world” treat the resource consumption of the so-called “developing world.” we, who have enjoyed the pleasures and benefits of fridges and air conditioning and televisions and cars and convenience food and all that shit for generations: we look at the growing energy & plastics consumption of the developing world and go “uh oh, they’re really running the tab up over there, we can’t let this happen, think of the…. trees!!!” we have the audacity to act like people living in poverty in the tropics wanting window fans is selfish and short-sighted for the environment, and meanwhile we use and waste all the energy and resources we can get ahold of, like a continent full of montgomery burnses.

infinity war could have taken thanos’s approach to scarcity somewhere bigger: somewhere that was useful as a parable for our hypocrisy. the way that ragnarok was brave enough to make a parable of empire; the way that black panther could explore diaspora and identity; the way that the winter soldier actually had something to say about the surveillance-terror state. but for all the moving pieces of infinity war, i don’t think it knew where its central ethic rested. certainly, its characters showed the desire to preserve and protect life. but that’s true of any superhero film.

what it comes down to for me, is that it’s not enough for this movie’s theme to be “let’s protect people, because killing people is bad!” or even, sorry steve, “we don’t trade lives.” it’s not enough. thanos basically says, “there’s one bowl of soup and one spoon and two hungry people, so one of them has to die.” so what i needed was someone to openly reject that whole proposition. not just “no, you shouldn’t kill trillions,” but “no, that is fucking ludicrous, i reject that worldview. i reject human life as a brutal competition. group survival, even in the face of scarcity or hardship, is exactly what the fuck we developed culture for.” like, we could use that message. that message, delivered palatably in a blockbuster action movie, could do some good.

but it wasn’t really in there. maybe in little bits, in pieces. maybe. so i’m sure we’re going to have to endure a bunch of “welllll, thanos was a bad guy, but he did have a point about scarcity” metas. because we’re still failing to see how asking other people to die so that the rest can enjoy plenty is itself exactly the fucking problem on this bitch of an earth

i will acknowledge that gamora comes the closest to doing this. gamora comes down on thanos for slaughtering half her planet. but!! but! then thanos gets this horrible line about how the children who grew up after his genocide got to have “full bellies” and the planet’s a “utopia” now. and what does gamora get to say back to that? nothing! she doesn’t get a line after that! she looks angry and grief-stricken, but the writers don’t give her a single fucking thing to say in disagreement!! like, how about: “growing up as a traumatized survivor of genocide isn’t very fucking utopian????” the writers couldn’t imagine that fucking line?

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thigm0taxis

Yay I’m not the only one who thought, “Oh no, at some point I’m going to inevitably run into some jackhole trying to defend Thanos as having a point…”, and “OR you could just create more resources and distribute them equitably?”

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karenhealey

I was so fucking pissed about that, because we KNOW what happens to cultures when substantial percentages of the population are eradicated by famine or disease or war. It is not a good time! It is not twenty years later and everyone’s well fed! Because if you eradicate 50% of a population, you destroy labour, you destroy infrastructure, you screw absolutely everything for the survivors.

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somnastra

THIS! Halving the population vs doubling the population hypothetically has the SAME DAMN EFFECT on population growth. Unless Thanos’ actual goal was to cripple the population in the way the previous post mentions.

And don’t think for a fucking minute that Thanos is not an unreliable source for what’s happening on Gamora’s planet.

The longer this movie sits, the angrier I get. I will not be seeing it a second time in theaters.

I haven’t seen any of those movies, but this strikes me as a Necessary Take on a villain in 2018 spouting college-student overpopulation rhetoric.

I am not a fan of college-student overpopulation rhetoric.

I am … Even less a fan of this big-budget franchise choosing it as a motive in 2018.

There have been many genocides in human history, and not one of those populations has bounced back with a cheery “Gosh, with all THOSE fuckers gone, I can finally stuff my face with croissants and accumulate wealth!”

The only way that killing some people results in other people getting more stuff is if you kill the people who hoard disproportionate amounts of The Most Stuff, and take their stuff on behalf of people who have less stuff. And that is called a Revolution, and that is frowned upon and considered antisocial in most circumstances. Stuff is distributed unequally. It’s a fact. Killing half of people does not magically free up 50% more stuff.

I don’t know how seriously people take the “finite amount of energy in the universe” thing, but it’s something that creationists attempt to use to bully everyone else. The idea is that it makes evolution seem improbable, “because entropy.” Under creationism, “entropy” means “things inevitably getting worse” and it fits in well with their view of the world. They think it’s physics. Creationists say “energy in a system dissipates”, and ask how life could evolve and be complex without God to power it.

The gentle stock response is that Earth is not a closed system. It receives a constant source of energy. This energy comes from the Sun. We have a direct conduit to a sufficient amount of energy to power the life force of the planet, in terms of Making And Eating Stuff. The Sun shines on the Earth, it grows the plants, and everything eats the plants or each other. (All of the other stuff happening on Earth is basically recreation.) but while the Sun will one day burn out, the plants do not eat up the Sun. Even if every square inch of the sinful earth was covered in greedy trees and cabbages, the Sun would continue to shine on it. That’s the energy source. It’s. The Sun. It’s usually up there somewhere.

So, like, if people are justifying genocide with “oh well, there was limited energy in the universe” then, like, do these Marvel movies take place somewhere without anyone having heard of the Sun? Does their planet have a plug leading out the back, that’s plugged into a big pot of fossil fuels? Does everyone have a mild concussion that makes teenage-philosophy-Discourse sound edgy and deep? Is the Sun in their universe actually just a Chris in a very large hat? This piece of lore worries and vexes me

One of the big names in population and resource theories was Malthus, who a bit before the industrial revolution theorised that humanity was on its way to a cataclysmic event due to population increase and subsequent resource scarcity. His theories proved false, however, when the industrial revolution came along and we started producing more food, allowing us to support the population. His issue was that he didn’t take into account human ingenuity, or compassion. Now, I’m not trying to say the industrial revolution was all roses and puppy dogs for the majority of humanity (there was some pretty horrific stuff going on in a lot of places) but it got us through without near - extinction. And we’ve continued to develop and increase our ability to support more people, not just with food but energy, medicine, and a myriad of other resources. And again, the system is far from perfect, there are shortages all over the world and capitalism is terrible, but the point is if we could get our socialist butts in gear long enough to distribute things evenly then literally no one would have to go without. The issue isn’t resources this time, it’s distribution and a few assholes at the top making it difficult for everyone.

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I know we’re all suffering over Infinity War or whatever, but you know what my major takeaway was re: Steve and Bucky? It’s that Bucky has been awake for a while and Steve has been visiting Wakanda on a regular basis. I’m fully serious about this; I’m not attempting to “fix” a problem with canon by making a fluffy headcanon. This is the first blush impression I got from the movie, and the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Why?

  • We joke about Steve’s “depression beard” a lot, but actually, Steve looks really good in this movie. That guy has been eating a lot of fruit, moisturizing, and getting his beauty sleep. Bucky also looks shockingly healthy and relaxed compared to the last time we saw him. They both seem to be physically and mentally healthier, which doesn’t point to Bucky being freshly de-iced and still processing the worst of his shit. It also doesn’t point to Steve working himself to death and being forcibly separated from his best friend.
  • Steve seems to have a friendly and relatively informal relationship with T’Challa, which suggests to me that they’ve spent some time together. The other Avengers don’t appear to be very familiar with Wakanda, but Steve knows exactly where he’s going and what he’s doing. 
  • On top of that, the Avengers seem to have more than adequate funding and appear to be working, but they no longer have the backing of the US government or Stark Industries. Where did they get the resources to do this? Where are their missions coming from? Sure, they’re likely doing their own supervillain hunting and probably some residual Hydra mop-up, but I’m guessing they’re being bankrolled by T’Challa and probably doing a fair bit of collaborative work with Wakandan intelligence. Steve would feel the need to repay T’Challa’s kindness, but what do you get the man who has everything? If you’re Steve, probably loyalty and black ops missions.
  • When Steve and Bucky greet each other, it feels warm, but also routine, suggesting that this isn’t their first contact since Civil War. This is a greeting you’d expect between two people who last saw each other maybe one or two weeks ago and text each other pictures of what they ate for lunch, not two people who have a lot of unresolved shit and haven’t spoken in years. The tension and sadness you see at the end of Civil War is absent in Infinity War.
  • Finally, the relationship between Wanda and Vision establishes that it’s possible for Avengers to go off alone for a day or two without any significant notice or concern from the others. Clearly it’s not unheard of for them to take short breaks to do personal stuff.

My take on all this? Bucky’s been up and about for a fairly long time, doing some Wholesome Farm Labor, babysitting some Charming Wakandan Children, and generally getting better. Steve and the Avengers have been running whatever missions come up, and when there’s a break in the action, Steve comes to Wakanda, says hi to T’Challa, and spends a day or two with Bucky. Maybe he takes the opportunity to finally get a full 8 hours of sleep in Bucky’s little hut. I’m just saying; they both look way less tired in this movie. Those are the faces of people who have taken some quality naps together. 

So everybody’s healthier and happier than expected! Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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