Disaster lineage part 2 (part 1, shatterpoint lineage, and penumbra lineage here)

Ngl I'm kind of laughing at the fact that Felony chose to show that the Jedi are the bad guys by *checks notes* having the character speaking against the Council work with Darth Sidious, the top bad guy of the movies, and kill an unarmed exhausted opponent.

Like wow that sure makes me want to believe everything he says. I'm sure the guy working with DARTH SIDIOUS and willing to kill an unarmed opponent with only the slightest prompting has the purest of intentions and is totally right about the Jedi being corrupt and doesn't have a skewed perspective at all.

get rekt boi (get rekt is also the official name of yodas cane now)

inspired by this thread by @obeskenobesandcodes

(i, eh, didn’t ask for permission. i hope that ok if not ill make it vanish)

Dooku left the Jedi Order shortly after Xanatos Fell and Qui-Gon declared he would never train another Padawan; he was already disillusioned with the increasingly blatant corruption in the Senate and the power they had over the Order’s actions across the galaxy, but losing the chance at Grandpadawans was the final straw

over a decade later, he was still bemoaning his late Padawan’s life choices, when he expressed his regret that Qui-Gon was no longer around to agree with him about the Senate’s corruption while attempting to interrogate the unfamiliar young Knight that the bounty hunter had lured to Geonosis

to his surprise, the formerly stony-faced Knight furiously laid into him, proclaiming that how his Master would never have sided against the Republic, and he most certainly would not have supported a militarized movement funded by corporations interested in escaping the Republic’s regulations like this

Dooku quickly retreated from the room

shit

he had a GRANDPADAWAN; Qui-Gon broke his vow and trained another after Dooku had given up hope and left the Order

shit

this changed things

he couldn’t wipe out the Jedi Order now, what about his grandson??

and then, half an hour into his frantic scramble to rearrange his plans to account for this new development, an even shoutier young man showed up loudly demanding to know where his Master was being held, and Dooku was faced with the realization that not only did he have a Grandpadawan, he also had a Great-Grandpadawan

this changed EVERYTHING

These tags are everything and the fact that Yoda’s just happy for his disaster lineage coming together 😂

Gotta do what a Yoda’s gotta do

AU where Dooku still leaves the Order but he’s not evil, and so Obi-Wan and Anakin and Ahsoka have this random crazy-rich old grandpa who swings by from his mansion every so often to have tea and discuss galactic events with Yoda and Mace, and also to chide his lineage about standing up straight and not slurping their soup.

This is especially hilarious given that I am 1000% sure Anakin and Ahsoka did stuff like having belching contests like, a lot, so I assume Snooty Grandpa showed up just as one was really getting going and somehow he was MOST disappointed in Obi-Wan for letting this happen. 

Grandpa Dooku definitely has Obi-Wan as his favorite grandchild for years.

Obi-Wan likes tea, sits up straight, will talk about galactic events, and chide Anakin for doing wild and crazy things. Dooku is certain Obi-Wan is the perfect grandchild because he’s everything Dooku wants, not to mention Qui-Gon said all those good things about him!

Then one day Dooku walks in to see Anakin and Ahsoka having a loud belching contest while yeeting Rex and Obi-Wan riding a giant monster all around the room. The worst is that Obi-Wan doesn’t have proper posture AND HE IS NOT EVEN SITTING SIDE SADDLE! THE NERVE!

Dooku is extremely mortified and DISAPPOINTED YOUNG MAN!

However, Dooku doesn’t notice Cody in the background holding a fire extinguisher and preparing for the inevitable explosion.

Mace seeing jango with boba and dragging them away from the chaos. Yoda and clones arriving only for them to see jocasta with her lightsaber plus her lightsaber rifle.

All of those not jedi learning that she is the archivist/librarian.

That moment when you take things out of the library and then dont return them

I realize I’ve been a fool in not turning more Supernatural quotes into incorrect TCW quotes. A fool, I tell you.

@blackkatmagic

Dooku: Jedi Lost by Cavan Scott | The Lost Twenty One of the most interesting things about this scene is just how there’s no recrimination on asking about who the busts are of, that Braylon is in a hurry to get to the lesson, but Yoda acknowledges that, no, it’s important that they know who these people are, who the people that left the Jedi Order are. And it’s equally important to show that, no, they did not all leave because they became Sith or whatever.  Most of them just went on to live quiet lives, but some of them became things like teachers. That some of them questioned the Jedi way of life and this isn’t something they hide away or never talk about or keep secret.  It’s something they tell their younglings when they ask, they’re honest about how it doesn’t make anyone a bad person to leave the Jedi Order if that’s what they feel is right. Over and over, we see in the comics and novels and even the movies that this holds true in the way the Jedi treat those who leave.  Up until Dooku shows up as the head of the Separatist movement and stockpiling for a war, the Jedi defend him.  Previous to that, when the Jedi Jak’zin runs into Dooku after he’s left, he treats him with respect and kindness, revealing that most Jedi thought that Dooku left to start his own school of Force teachings.  It showed that they were clearly fine with this given that they weren’t keeping tabs on him enough to know that he wasn’t actually doing that. [x] Or when Tula’s grandmother left to get married, she said she had nothing but respect for the Jedi Order, indicating that it was a perfectly amicable split.  Yoda says that Anakin can leave any time he wants, it’s clear that no one’s going to force him to stay.  Ahsoka walks away and nobody tries to stop her, because it’s her choice.  Not all Jedi are happy when they leave, of course, but we have enough indications of how the Jedi Order itself sees those leaving–that they’re sad to see them go, but none of this is a prison, nor will they do anything but talk respectfully of them, so long as they’re not Sith Lords who are murdering people and oppressing entire worlds. We see it right here–when asked about the Jedi Masters who left, there’s nothing but honesty there.  They became disillusioned with the Jedi ways, but it’s not like that was the same as becoming evil.  Most of them just went off to quiet lives and that was a choice the Jedi very much respected–and would do for anyone who chose to walk away.  It’s not just lip service about how technically you can leave any time you want.  No, even the younglings are told that it’s been done and are shown that it doesn’t make you bad, that some even go on to live lives of significance as leaders.

THIS IS ALL FASCINATING.  This comic is probably some of the first real timeline stuff we have in regards to Dooku–that he left the Jedi before Qui-Gon’s death is now confirmed!  We still don’t know when he met up with Sidious, when he commissioned Jango, etc., whether he left before Obi-Wan became Qui-Gon’s apprentice, etc.  But we have a bit more of an idea of the timeline and we have some absolutely stellar stuff about how the Jedi saw Dooku! This fits with how the Jedi spoke of Dooku in Attack of the Clones before he turned up as the head of the group about to launch an army against the Republic–Ki-Adi-Mundi doesn’t think he could be behind the assassination attempt because he was a Jedi, Jocasta Nu speaks incredibly warmly of him and why she thinks he left.  And we see here that Jak’zin approaches Dooku with civility and politeness, even admiration for what a great saber duelist he was, they speak of his admiration for Qui-Gon Jinn, who was also a great Jedi. Jak’zin trusts Dooku when revealing why he’s on Sullust, because, well, he was a Jedi once.  This shows what utter trust the Jedi have in each other and how much they’re deeply respectful of anyone who leaves them to still be good people.  Jak’zin takes care to use the proper title to address him, compliments him about his saber form, never makes any disparaging remarks about having left the Jedi, and instead seems completely fine with it.  Trusts him to help on a secret mission even! Even beyond that we get a glimpse of what the other Jedi were speculating about Dooku:

I mean, first of all JEDI GOSSIPS CONFIRMED YET AGAIN, VALIDATION, but also they think he’s forming a new order of Force users!  And the Jedi are apparently perfectly fine with that.  Nobody’s come to ~talk~ to Dooku about it, Jak’zin gives zero indication that anyone should be talking to him about this or trying to stop him.  Doesn’t even express any hesitation or nervousness about it. Which fits with how the Jedi have always been fine with other Force-using groups.  The Guardians of the Whills, the Lasats, the Nightsisters, the Bardottans, all of them existed in the galaxy alongside the Jedi, often evolving in tandem.  Their problem with the Sith has never been OMG DARKSIDERS!!!, but instead that they’re running around murdering and enslaving people, that the Sith isn’t a culture so much as a group of specific people undertaking a specific plot.  If they just did their own thing and didn’t hurt anyone, we have every reason to think the Jedi would have co-existed with them, like do they all the other Force-using groups. The whole issue really illustrates how the Jedi trusted and admired each other, even when they walked unconventional paths or left all together.  It reminds me of that quote from Heir to the Jedi where a Rodian relative of a Jedi tells about how their uncle Jedi used to visit sometimes and would talk really warmly about Anakin Skywalker.  Here we see Jak’zin talking really warmly about Qui-Gon Jinn, how great he was.  He admires Dooku and treats him as someone to trust, respects the new life he’s taken for himself.  Fondly remembers the sparring he used to do with Master Yoda, but there’s nothing about how Dooku should have stayed a Jedi, if that was his choice.  It reminds me of the Star Wars ongoing comic where Tula Markona’s grandmother said she had, “Nothing but respect for the Jedi Order.” even after leaving it. Dooku’s role in this issue is a lot more complicated, because so much of what we know about him is thrown into mystery, how much he’s being sincere–ultimately, he kills Jak’zin by shooting him in the back, kicking his corpse, and saying it was a “pity”, so did he genuinely feel any shred of wanting to recruit him to “save” another Jedi or was it just another tool to Dooku?  Was anything he said about Qui-Gon and his own feelings of guilt true?  That’s a complicated, thorny question that we’ll never fully untangle, because I doubt even Dooku himself knows, not if he’s at the point of willing to kill an innocent person and treat it like he’d just broken a minorly expensive vase, instead of a sentient person, but still probably thinks that he’s trying to ~save~ the galaxy. But the portrait we see of the Jedi here is incredibly clear–they were totally fine with Dooku’s choices up to this point, they still trusted him and thought he was a good person, and respected his new path in life.  (Also, I’m still not over a tiger Jedi, though, I am DISAPPOINTED IN YOU, STAR WARS, that his name wasn’t Ynot Eht Regit, COME ON.)

http://archiveofourown.org/series/707346

Place where I got the phrase ‘sithnip’. Please read this, it may be ‘short’ as it is new but really good.

also i’m pretty sure Qui-Gon is losing his shit in the afterlife over the fact that Obi-Wan has managed to “befriend” a pirate that keeps showing up at inopportune times 

I just imagined padawan obi wan in the clone wars meeting his older selfs enemies, but when meeting Hondo he just is 'i found another pathetic life form?! Master is rubbing off on me' sort of thing and when he also does some of the mission like things like in Jedi apprentice his enemies get freaked out bc this kid is sass, and also really bad with his own life.

So what next but the Jedi and clones find that the enemies are trying to put padawan obi wan in a safe bubble where no one or himself can hurt him. Because he gets hurt a lot.

Also his master is pissing them off bc here is one willing to do everything and is literally the most Jedi ever even as a kid but manages to escape and do things they approve. How was he nominated most Jedi ever?

But dooku is his grandmaster that taught his master so he is partly to blame bc qui gon had to get it somewhere who passed it to obi wan. "What the council doesn't know can't hurt them"