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@demisexual-kingdom / demisexual-kingdom.tumblr.com

Safe space for Demisexuals to find inspiration and positivity. Run by Mod Ruadhan, updates may be infrequent but the blog is active. Everyone is welcome here. No discrimination, only love and support
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Anonymous asked:

I’m starting to venture into demisexuality and what that may mean to me and my identity, and I need a little bit of help. I’ve seen people say that they are fine with getting into romantic relationships but as soon as it starts to lead somewhere sexual is when they freeze up, and they need that emotional bond with the person. I feel like for myself it’s the complete opposite, and that I need an emotional bond before I even think about entering a romantic relationship, I can have crushes and what not but I don’t want to be with someone unless we have a strong and established bond/friendship. Does that still make me Demi?? Is it something else completely?? Or am I just overthinking things

Thanks!! 💕

Hi anon! That sounds like demiromanticism! You may be both demiromantic and demisexual, where you need a strong bond to feel interested in someone romantically to begin with, and only later you feel sexual attraction as well.

If you have any questions about that feel free to reach out or look for our demiromantic tag

Welcome to the double-D gang!

Mod Ruadhan.

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Anonymous asked:

So i think i COULD be demiromantic because ive been talking to a bunch of people and some of them will be exactly my type no red flags but i wont experience any romantic attraction but i’ll feel like i should so i like fake it to myself??? I dont know im so sorry if any if this is offensive in any way im so so confused

Hi anon, if you don't feel any attraction yet, faking it only hurts you and the other person/prople. Take things slowly, if stuff happens it happens, if it doesnt', attraction does not work the same for you as it does for some other people, and that's fine, you'll just have to experiment and keep making new experiences until you have an idea of how it works for you.

Take care, and feel free to drop another ask if you have any further questions.

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Can we stop acting like demisexual/demiromantics will automatically be attracted to someone once they develop an emotion bond (their specific version of a bond)?? I just don't like when people are like "when demi people find their person". No. We don't have "our person". This isn't a soulmates au. Our attraction isn't definite. We don't just automatically get attracted to our best best friends. Stop acting like being demisexual or demiromantic means you are looking for "that one person that we can connect to out in the world". Stop please

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Hello lovely people! I made a demiromantic community survey, and it’d be great if some demiros could take it. (Please only fill it out if you identify as demiromantic.) The aim of it is to get some data about the composition of the demiromantic community and gather people’s ideas on how to uplift the community and educate others about it. It’s through Google Forms, is anonymous, and is pretty quick to fill out. I’ll publish the results on this blog in a week or so :)

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A Revision of the Layered attraction model for All

I typed this out in the closing thoughts question for a survey for visibility, and that evolved into making this post, which became a complete re-design of the layered attraction model to include the full spectrum of romantic and sexual orientations.

Origin of this project:

The presence of romantic attraction without sexual attraction doesn’t invalidate or erase the romantic attraction.
Ace people, for example, whether heteroromantic, homoromatic, Biromantic, etc, have romantic attraction without sexual attraction. It is not unusual for Bi or Pan Demisexual or Graysexual people to experience romantic attraction to more than one gender but only experience sexual attraction towards one gender.
I’ve found out by interacting with people online that even outside of the Ace spectrum, there are also Biromantic Heterosexual (or Homosexual) people who are Allo. You don’t even have to be on the Ace or Aro spectrum to experience romantic and sexual attraction separately. Such people tend to, in public settings, just say they are straight (or gay, as applicable) or Graysexual, to avoid having to justify their romantic attraction to additional genders not being coupled with sexual attraction despite not being Asexual.
To add to that, there’s also the idea that potential partners of the gender for which they only experience romantic attraction would not be happy in a non-sexual relationship unless that person is Ace, or perhaps that they themselves wouldn’t, since they do experience sexual attraction to other genders. But that is broad brushing, and given that Ace people can be in happy, fulfilling relationships with Allo people, then it is possible. It’s just a matter of whether they’d want to pursue that or not. That’s just another reason why Biromantic Heterosexual and Biromantic Homosexual people tend not to be out or only be out online.

The Layered Attraction Model (est 2017 as far as I can tell):

Here’s the Layered attraction model for those who haven’t seen it. It combines the Ace Spectrum (with some Arospec poorly thrown in), the Kinsey Scale, and a scale of polyamory (idk if that scale has its own name). It has served as a starting point for educating people and helping people find their labels. I definitely think we need additional dimensions. It wouldn’t make for as nice a graphic, but just the list part is fine with me.

Kinsey scale deals with frequency/proportion of attraction, but the original layered model does not account for different types of attraction to different genders.  The wording in the original focuses on action rather than attraction.  One’s orientation is defined by attraction, not by what you choose to act on or have had opportunity to act on.  Instead of “prefers,” it should say “experiences attraction to”.  

Demisexuality corresponds to Pink in the layered attraction model, but the description of Pink as written assumes alloromanticism.  It doesn’t really include those who are also Demiromantic (double Demis), or other aro-spec identities.  The wording of what appears to be aro-ace is also problematic.

A potential solution is to duplicate the layered attraction cake for the Aro spectrum, allowing you to choose a Kinsey Scale number for your romantic attraction separate from the number for your sexual attraction. Instead of reds and pinks, it’d use greens & grays for the Arospec colors. Adding a column for one’s gender identity would make this model a full label. Acespec, Arospec, Romantic orientation, Sexual orientation, and gender identity.

This should cover everyone. Oriented aroace demiboys, Double demi panromantic homosexual girls, Allo Biromantic Heterosexual guys, Asexual Polyamorus Alloromantic Heteroromantic trans women, etc, etc.

We are a diverse community, and the world is more diverse than we tend to recognize.

The Full Spectrum Layered Attraction and Identity Model:

It took a couple of weeks before I finished the project and came back to this draft post.  Behold the revamped layered attraction model:

(It’s 34″ squared, so please zoom in to full read your parts.)

It includes:

  • Romantic orientation
Aromantic Spectrum Kinsey Scale Polyamory scale
  • Sexual orientation
Asexual Spectrum Kinsey Scale Sex Favorability
  • Gender Identity
Gender Identity Cis-Trans-Intersex (not mutually exclusive) Gender Fluidity

I did my best to make this inclusive to everyone, but if I missed anything or worded anything poorly, please let me know and I will make a revised version.  (Especially with the gender part, seeing as I am cis.)

Also, thank you to my fellow mods of @demisexual-kingdom​ for giving the finished product a look over before posting.

This was a big undertaking, but I think it turned out well. If I missed anything or worded anything wrong, especially with gender, please feel free to send an ask my way directly or to the full mod team here at demisexual-kingdom , and I will gladly make revisions (in bulk if there are multiple).

With love,

Mod K-P

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Anonymous asked:

Hi, sorry if you’ve answered something like this before :/

I don’t want to be in a relationship at all until I have a crush on someone, and then suddenly I do want a relationship and I was wondering if that might have something to do with demisexuality? I’ve only really had a crush on one person that I’d known for years beforehand and had formed a proper bond with them so from that perspective it sounds a lot like what I’ve read about demisexuality but the not wanting/wanting relationships part I’m still struggling to figure out 😅 do you guys have any advice? Thank you!

Hello anon! This sounds like demisexuality.

The not wanting a relationship until you “have a crush” makes sense since you’re not yet attracted to the person until a deep bond is formed, why would you want a relationship with someone you have no feelings for (yet)? And this may also be demiromanticism, when you start developing romantic attraction once a deep bond is formed, which would fit with what you said.

Do you think demiromanticism could work for you? (As in demiromantic AND demisexual at the same time) For a demiro focused blog i can definitely recommend @demi-romantics they’re amazing! We also have demiro resources in our resources page (you can find the link in the pinned post)

And welcome home! Don’t hesitate to write us again.

- Mod Ruadhan

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Demi Flags (Bi, Pan, Double Demi, and Dello variations)

I have labeled each one by short names and individual components, but I am not going to define each flag separately, as that would be a monster wall of text.  This is not all possible combinations.  It includes most variations for Brio/Pan & Hetero or Homo identities.  If I wanted to add the opposite (variations for hetero/homoromantic and bi/pansexual identities), or all of these variations for Dellosexual rather than Demi, or Gray-ace, Ace, Aro, Grayro, etc, and maybe even variations that show gender identity along with romantic and sexual orientations, that would take a lot of time just to make all the replacements in the templates I made here.  (If anyone else wants to make some of those variations, I can send you these templates to start from.)

Double Demi (Demiromantic, Demisexual)

DemiBi (Biromantic, Demisexual)

Double-Demi Bi / Demi-Biromantic Demisexual (Demiromantic Biromantic, Demisexual)

Biromantic Demi-Heterosexual (Biromantic, Demisexual Heterosexual)

Demi-Biromantic Demi-Heterosexual (Demiromantic Biromantic, Demisexual Heterosexual)

Double Demi Heterosexual / Demiromantic Demi-Heterosexual (Demiromantic, Demisexual Heterosexual)

Biromantic Demi-Homosexual (Biromantic, Demisexual Homosexual)

Demi-Biromantic Demi-Homosexual (Demiromantic Biromantic, Demisexual Homosexual)

Double Demi Homosexual/ Demiromantic Demi-Homosexual (Demiromantic, Demisexual Homosexual)

DelloDemi (Delloromantic, Demisexual)

Dello-Biromantic Demisexual / DelloBiro Demi (Delloromantic Biromantic, Demisexual)

Dello-Biromantic Demi-Heterosexual (Delloromantic Biromantic, Demisexual Heterosexual)

Dello Demi Hetero (Delloromantic, Demisexual Heterosexual)

Dello-Biromantic Demi-Homosexual (Delloromantic Biromantic, Demisexual Homosexual)

Dello Demi-Homosexual (Delloromantic, Demisexual Homosexual)

Panromantic Demisexual 

Double Demi Pan / Demi-Pan Demisexual (Demiromantic Panromantic, Demisexual)

Panromantic Demi-Heterosexual (Panromantic, Demisexual Heterosexual)

Demi-Panromantic Demi-Heterosexual (Demiromantic Panromantic, Demisexual Heterosexual)

Panromantic Demi-Homosexual (Panromantic, Demisexual Homosexual)

Demi-Panromantic Demi-Homosexual (Demiromantic Panromantic, Demisexual Homosexual)

Dello-Panromantic Demisexual (Delloromantic Panromantic, Demisexual)

Dello-Panromantic Demi-Heterosexual (Delloromantic Panromantic, Demisexual Heterosexual)

Dello-Panromantic Demi-Homosexual (Delloromantic Panromantic, Demisexual Homosexual)

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Anonymous asked:

hi, I am a demiromantic & demisexual female. My question is, how can I know whether I’m straight/bi/pan/or anything else when I can only be attracted to people after a strong bond is formed? I’ve only been in relationships with males irl, but I’ve also had a few dreams where I’ve been attracted to females. Maybe the dreams were just random nonsense but I feel like they might be a sign indicating I could be bi/pan/or something similar. Any advice on how I can figure this out would be appreciated!

Hi! I am not Aro-spec, but I am Demisexual and only figured out that I’m biromantic when I was 25.  I also had the dreams.  To be more specific about the dreams and provide a comparison: at one point, I had a dream I had about a guy I felt I could make a life with (but who didn’t feel the same way).  In that dream, we were grocery shopping.  That’s it.  It was a pleasant and bubbly experience.  It was domestic.

The dream I had about a girl (who I was kind of crushing on but didn’t realize it) involved a casual date in a park (mind you that is the same kind of first date I had with my boyfriend).  When I woke up, I didn’t remember if we’d kissed in the dream (I don’t often dream actual contact of any kind), but I did remember that she wanted to take the (previously undefined) relationship in that dream to the next level and I hadn’t been interested.  But, our time together in the dream had felt so great, and I had really enjoyed getting closer to her emotionally.

That dream had me reeling.  I was in the middle of a major exam prep, and suddenly as a 25 year old I was questioning whether I’m bi.  It wasn’t hard to admit there was something to this, but the question was what exactly.  Which I think is where you’re at now.

It took months for me to fully process it and figure out whether it meant I am bi or not.  Here are the things/questions that made that clear for me:

- I’ve seen posts where wlw struggle to figure out if they want to be like someone, want to be that person’s friend, or like them romantically.  So I knew I had to try to make this distinction - is this just admiration?  The answer in this case was no - there are similar people who I admire, but this is a different feeling: an attraction to the person and desire for closeness to them.  Warm and fuzzy.

- I could identify times throughout my life where I’ve been similarly attracted to a girl; I just didn’t think of it as romantic at the time.  There have always been girls I thought were cute (the same adjective I use for guys who I think are attractive), since 1st grade (which is when I had my first crush on a guy), and I’ve always flocked to certain personality traits.  ((un)fortunately, my aesthetic is apparently manic pixie dream girls.) One of these girls (in high school) actually caused me to question at the time when the attraction happened - for like an hour- before I just dismissed it as admiration.  

- Don’t dismiss your romantic attraction just because it isn’t accompanied by sexual attraction.  That doesn’t erase the romantic attraction.

An important thing no one will probably tell you: you can be biromantic without being bisexual.  A biromantic Ace person isn’t any less bi despite not being sexually attracted to the same gender.  Likewise, as an Aspec individual, even if you are not or have not yet been sexually attracted to a girl, that doesn’t erase your romantic attraction to them.  

I am biromantic demi-heterosexual.  I have experienced romantic attraction to guys and gals, but only have sexual attraction to guys.  As a demi, that only happens after bonding with and thus becoming attracted to the person.  It truly could be that I am capable of forming that attraction with a girl also, but simply have never built up that kind of bond for it to happen.  But afaik, totally Ace towards girls - it even took me a long time to get comfortable with my *own* body growing up because of my OCD.  That doesn’t change the romantic attractions I’ve had to them at the same timing and levels as with guys, despite not realizing at the time that it was the same thing since I didn’t know that was a possibility growing up.

Bonus:  Weird thing is, I usually end up bringing up girls that I notice in casual conversation with my (politically liberal but religiously conservative) mom, and it has never registered to either of us as weird or non-hetero.  (She would be the kind to cry and pray for me and try to “fix” me somehow - they believe that people become LGBTQ as the result of abuse.)  It wasn’t until I stopped to think about it that I realized how often I’ve actually been attracted to girls.  And that I have a type!  I don’t have a type when it comes to guys.  (When it comes to aesthetic attraction there’s a range maybe, but that doesn’t affect the sexual attraction part.)  It’s so weird that while being only romantically attracted to girls I have an aesthetic type, but while being both romantically and demisexually attracted to guys I do not really have a type.

This is my experience, but I hope it is helpful in your journey to self discovery.

If you are comfortable running your experience by a close friend, they should be able to tell you if they think it’s bi.  Their response does not define you, but it can be enlightening.  I did this during that questioning period (1st person I ever “came out” to in that sense), and when I sort of asked if she thought the dream and my feeling about it means anything, she said that she’s never wanted anything with a girl - so yes.  That may seem common sense, but no - hearing it from someone makes a difference.  (I saw a post where someone’s (clearly Allo) grandma apparently didn’t realize that most women don’t look at other women’s butts - and realized in her 60′s that she was bi once her granddaughter pointed out that no, she and most other women do not look at each other’s butts, lol.)

- Mod K-P

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Anonymous asked:

Is it really possible to be demiromantic and not demisexual at the same time? I don't really get "crushes" just "oh this person is really really pretty" and I only had a more solid type of crush with someone I really got to know. Like I don't even know what a crush is supposed to feel like. But I'm also DEFINTELY not demisexual/asexual. What does it feel like to be demi/aromantic? How do you know the difference between "I want to have sex with you" and "I want a relationship with you" ?

One does not have to be both demiromantic and demisexual. 

It’s possible that what you feel in the beginning is aesthetic attraction, because usually that entails thinking someone is really pretty and being drawn to them in that sense, but not exactly in the sense that you would unwittingly fantasize sexually about them or feel any sexual draw. But, since you say that you are certain that you are not demisexual, then that sexual attraction seems like it comes later and/or is mixed with the aesthetic feeling.

What does is feel like to demiromantic? 

That’s a broad question, but I’ll answer as best as I can. Keep in mind that my experience of it may not be universal so I can recommend you listening to other people too if you are still stuck after this. For me, being demiromantic feels like being indifferent at the idea of dating when applied to a specific person. I mean, I guess I’m mostly indifferent anyway until I meet someone I really click with, but that could be more nuture/upbringing/culture than my orientation. Most often this manifests in me being confused when my peers start gushing about crushes they have on people they’ve seen at the supermarket or around campus and how they are working up the nerve to talk to them so they can get to know them enough to ask them out, because for me, even if I see a aesthetic appeal, I don’t feel a draw to want to talk to them enough to set up a romance. The confusion is even greater when people become infatuated with someone they barely know and call it love. Or when two people in my class became a couple less than a month after meeting and were practically obsessed to the point of ignoring their other newly found friends. Now I’m not here to judge how other people do romance, but I just want to illustrate how alien the typical way of starting relationships is to me. Because most of the time, I feel nothing of the romantic or wanting-a-partner nature toward people, and the idea of feeling romantic longing or interest toward someone I am not super close to, feels alien. Any romantic involvement with someone I am not close to, would feel forced, like a parody, like I’m doing the right actions but not feeling the right feelings, no matter how nice or how aesthetically appealing I find them.

But, as I become close to someone, and for me I mean really close as in we share emotional intimacy to great degree such as talking about mental health, fears, insecurities, then the friendship love I feel for them may grow into a different feeling that is somewhat harder to describe because I believe it varies each time one feels it.

In summary, for me being demiromantic feels like indifference at the thought of dating most people, even if they are pretty and kind. This indifference can change as I become emotionally intimate with them.

How do you know the difference between "I want to have sex with you" and "I want a relationship with you" ?

Typically wanting to have sex with someone includes a lot of physical sensations, though it can include some emotional sensations as well (at least it has for me). I would say that if you want to have sex with someone, you usually feel “horny” about them and may find yourself thinking sexual thoughts about them, without those thoughts feeling forced. These thoughts feel targeted specifically toward that person and generally feel pleasing/good, or sometimes urgent, though there are some exceptions where it feels bad/anxious, like if the person feeling them is sex-repulsed, or for trauma related reasons feels aversion/guilt at the thought of sex (like if they were raised to believe sex is dirty and sinful), or if the thoughts are intrusive (in which case they =/= wanting sex), but I don’t really have the education to go through the other parts and I don’t think it is relevant to your situation but thought it may be good to mention. Either way, in most cases for people who are not on the asexual spectrum, wanting to have sex with someone involves physically wanting it (i.e., having thought those thoughts and feeling good about them), and also mentally wanting it. The last part is important because I feel there is a difference between wanting something physically and enjoying the thought of it, and actually wanting it, which in my experience is not often talked about.

For me wanting a relationship involves different feelings. As a demisexual, I need deep feelings of trust and emotional intimacy to even want sex, but wanting a relationship is a different kind of feeling, and one doesn’t need to want both from the same person. For me, wanting a relationship is wanting to take a close friendship and form it into something different but that still contains the friendship elements. It’s wanting a spoken commitment and a ‘promise’ that you both want to remain close for a long time and that you both will continually make an effort for each other. It’s a yearning to be closer to them emotionally, and sometimes a “high” feeling when you’ve recently seen each other.

I hope this makes sense! Anyone is welcome to add their experiences.

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Anonymous asked:

Hi I just needed to get this off my chest to a demi specific blog because like.. I am demiro and demisexual, but sometimes I feel weird saying that cause I do have slight aesthetic preferences? Like I like long hair, deep voices, pretty eyes.. And sometimes I feel like to be demi I shouldn't have preferences like that at all

Hello anon! That's having a type and it's completely normal!

People have likes and dislikes, and things they like more than others, and that includes physical traits in people.

You liking a specific look doesn't mean you automatically get attracted to people with those looks, you find them aesthetically pleasing and may be more drawn to get to know them, but that doesn't guarantee attraction.

You're perfectly valid and totally demi

~Mod Ruadhán, who likes tiny redheads btw

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You are valid and seen

So, if anyone is on Twitter, specifically the ace/aro community on there, I’m sure you’ve seen what’s going on. 

A user, who has since gone private and I will not be naming here for fear of retaliation, another voice @fuckyeahasexual has had some very bad experiences with them (I would call it harassment and for that, I’m sorry you have to deal with that, you don’t deserve it), and I don’t want our mod team to deal with it either.

But to summarize, this user attempted to define demisexuals based on their own experience and their friend’s experience. They said that “...some demis don’t feel asexual and aren’t very asexual...”. They later attempted to explain this and clarify but it was not clear in the slightest and often made it more unclear. This upset many demis who felt alienated by the post saying they were not part of the asexual community. 

Much of the further clarification implied that demis are more allo than they are ace, especially when they’re in a long term relationship with sexual activity (which also alienates sex-positive aces and sexually active aces). They were saying since demis have a different experience from aces (like all gray-ace and gray-aro people do, since it is a spectrum and everyone is different) that they are not asexual and were saying the term demisexual, is more of a modifier on allo identities. They also said that demisexuality and asexuality are two different spectrums (which is not true since demisexuality falls under the asexual spectrum which has a variety of identities and feelings in the gray area) citing that since demis “can and do experience sexual attraction to varying degrees, some to the point where it’s a qualifier for a non-ace orientation.” This entire statement is false. Demis are on the asexual spectrum in the gray area which is large and encompassing. No matter how much sexual (or romantic) attraction a demi experiences, they are still demi.

The issue here is that many demis feel invalidated as part of the asexual community by this post, which they are very much a part of. Some demis do have sex and participate in sexual activities and may feel more comfortable with using another identity more than demi, which is fine. Demisexuality and Demiromantic are terms there for an individual to use when they need it.  If you love and have sexual relations with a man and are demi, you are still demi. If you love and have sexual relations with a women and are demi, you are still demi. If you love and have sexual relations with a non-binary person and are demi, you are still demi.

Demis may have a different experience than aces and that is true, but it’s different from allos and how demis experience attraction is never the same as an allo; unless that individual feels it is similar enough. Personal experiences are personal, and we as a community of common experiences respect that, but what we as a community also know is:

The only person who can define that is you.

And I can say with certainty, that the community loves and accepts you. Your experiences are unique and valid and we love you. 

You are ace if you want. You are demi if you want and we accept you, however you come and however you experience attraction.

Gatekeeping is ugly, a lot of people say you are “ace enough” but reality is, you are what you define yourself as, no matter where you are on that spectrum, you belong there.

Individual choices and personal definition do not erase demisexuality. Especially not for others.

If you “don’t feel asexual enough”, someone lied to you, even if they are in our community. Our community is not “ace enough”, if you feel like you belong on that spectrum: You belong here and we love you. I cannot stress this enough.

You are valid and you are seen and you are loved

Edit: There has been further clarification from the op and we are thankful for it. Please refrain from attacking the op like we have seen some people doing. We are a close community and we shouldn’t be attacking someone for poor word choice.

We understand being hurt by the op’s tweets (both the original and then further clarification ones under that post, that also tended to be very rude and attacking towards some people. The long clarification thread not included) and it is valid that you are hurt by them. Please remember you are valid, no matter where you feel you are on the spectrum. 

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Mod Applications: OPEN until 3/10/2020

Hello all! We are looking for 1-2 moderators to join us here.Life has gotten hectic for the majority of us so we need a few people to join us, especially someone who feels comfortable answering asks and giving advice. 

I’m going to include an official application below but I’m going to list some of the duties that being a mod here would require.

  • You will need to log on at least once a week
  • You will need to answer at least two asks a week
  • You will need to create two posts a week
  • You will need to help maintain the queue.
  • You will need to have access to discord as this is my way to communicate with all the mods.

This is the technical side of things, but I’m also looking for a mod who will fit these qualities:

  • You must be a wlw OR ace OR aro. You do NOT have to be all 3, but if you are more than one that’s cool too.
  • You must be willing to admit when you’re wrong
  • You must not be a TERF/REG/intersexist/or exclusionist of any kind.
  • You must be able to handle discourse, whether that means deleting it or answering
  • You must not disclose any other mod’s tumblr URLs if they aren’t comfortable with it

Anyways you can find the application below, please submit it. Applications will close on 3/10/2020. Application under the read more

-Mod Primaria

Hey all, we actually haven’t even gotten one application yet. Please boost this!! We could really use the help.

And if you’re worried about applying because you think you may not get it, you’ve got good chances ;p

-Mod Primaria

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