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Greek mythology enthusiast with some interest in ancient Greek religion and an unfortunate love for pedantry and nitpicking.
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In theory the Greek Mythology subreddit should be my favourite thing in the whole world because one of the sub rules is basically "Don't confidently claim shit you can't back up with legitimate sources". In practice... well...

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Where tf does the idea that in Mycenaean Greece Poseidon was the one who kidnapped Persephone even come from?! I feel like I'm losing my mind.

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Anonymous asked:

This trend I've noticed among Ares fans

Ares fans: Ares was hated only by the Greeks but he was highly honoured among the Romans and he was as important as Zeus in Rome!

Also Ares fans: nooo you can't count Mars raping Silvia as an Ares myth because it's a Roman myth so it technically doesn't count for Ares!!

The nitpicking is another level 😂 they want Roman influence to show that their favourite god was of noble nature and highly honoured but when it comes to acknowledging the myths... Lmao

Wait, are there people who at one and the same time praise Ares by bringing up Mars and also claim that the stories told about Mars don't count when discussing Ares? 😭

I mean, I know that both of these things happen, but I assumed it was different parts of the fandom, so to speak.

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Despite being a popular goddesses why aren’t Hecate and Eileithyia featured that much in myth

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No idea. Eileithyia probably because childbirth is her only function and she would have little role to play outside childbirth narratives. Really not sure about Hekate. Might her association with the Underworld have something to do with that?

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Anonymous asked:

Were Metis and Zeus friends?

Idk? All Apollodoros' Library (Apollod. 1.2.1) says is that Zeus, when he reached maturity (ἐγενήθη τέλειος), took her as a συνεργόν (helper, coworker, companion in work, fellow-worker, accomplice, colleague, associate, work partner) and she gave Kronos a pharmakon that made him vomit the children he had swallowed. As far as I can tell the language used doesn't suggest any particular intimacy beyond the idea of two people doing something together. Later on (Apollod. 1.3.6) she tries to avoid his sexual advances but he rapes her and then pulls a Kronos on her, so whatever friendship they might or might not have had probably ended there, one imagines.

Hesiod on his part gives no details about their relationship in the Theogony (Hes. Theog 886-900) and only says that Zeus made her his wife after he became king and that he deceived her and "put her in his belly" when she was about to give birth to Athena, in order to avoid the birth of a dangerous child but also that she would devise on his behalf both good and evil. In the fragment describing the births of Hephaistos and Athena attributed to Hesiod by Chrysippos and preserved by Galen (Hes. Fr. 343 M-W)) we learn that, after Hera gave birth to a child without him, Zeus got Metis to "lie with" (παρελέξατο) him, apparently by tricking/deceiving (ἐξαπαφὼν) her ( though if you go with the reading "even though she twisted much" instead of the emendation "even though she was very shrewd/wise/knew much" force might also have been involved) and then swallowed her because he feared that she might give birth to something stronger than the thunderbolt.

In the scholia to Iliad 8.39 it is said that he swallowed her when she was pregnant with the child of a Kyklops, "wanting to possess her for himself" (βουλόμενος παρ ἑαυτῷ ἔχειν), no mention of him fearing the birth of a child from her as in the other versions. This is less relevant but I'm mentioning it for the sake of thoroughness, in the Pseudo-Clementine Recognitions and Homilies Metis is on multiple occasions described as the daughter of Zeus, apparently swallowed by him as a child. I have no idea how this last one came to be.

So were they friends? You decide.

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Guys, did you realize that if you combine the version found in Hesiod's Theogony where Zeus takes Leto as a consort and has children with her before he marries Hera who, on her part, is not mentioned as persecuting Leto in any way and the version found in sources like the Homeric Hymn to Apollo or Kallimachos' Hymn to Delos where Hera, already involved with Zeus and with grown children by him at the time, does persecute the pregnant Leto you end up with a version where Hera tries to punish Zeus's partner even though she wasn't even married to him at that point? Such a crazy bitch! What do you mean that's not the proper way to analyze something?

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Anonymous asked:

Favorite Titan?

Themis. My girl tends to be overlooked by many even though she arguably has a bigger presence in the myths than any of her sisters, except perhaps for Rhea when she is identified with Kybele. Themis can play a role in so many tales and appears in so many sources, from the birth of Zeus and the Titanomachy to the Trojan War and the events preceding it, from the Iliad and Theogony to the Metamorphoses of Ovid, Posthomerica of Quintus Smyrnaeus and Dionysiaca of Nonnos. She even appears in the Homeric Hymn in Zeus's honour: "I shall sing of Zeus, the best and the greatest of gods, far-seeing, mighty, fulfiller of designs who confides his tight-knit schemes to Themis as she sits leaning upon him." (Homeric Hymn 23, trans. Apostolos Athanassakis)

And sure, she might not have given birth to any of the glamorous and popular Olympian gods, but her daughters are still necessary for the orderly functioning of society.

Also Kronos, but the fact that he wasn't able to tell a rock and a baby apart lowers him a bit in my estimation ngl.

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Anonymous asked:

What were your thoughts on Women’s Lore by Sarah Clegg?

It was an interesting read. I especially learned a lot of things about Lilith that I didn't know before.

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You can tell that Hesiod was BFFs with the Muses because not only is Mnemosyne the only consort of Zeus in the Theogony whom he is said to have loved (ἐράσσατο), but also the only one whose sexual union with him is provided with any meaningful details since we are told both the location where it took place and how long it lasted.

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Guys, did you realize that if you combine the version mentioned in Book 1 of the Iliad where Hera, Poseidon and Athena try to bind Zeus and no punishment is mentioned for any of them for this rebellion with The version in the Iliad scholia where Hera, Poseidon and Apollo try to bind Zeus and all of them are punished for it you end up with a version where Athena alone is not punished for rebelling against Zeus?! Such favoritism! What do you mean that's not the proper way to analyze something?

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