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Stop Killing Jason Todd

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AO3 I started reading Batman comics for Jason, but I stayed for the angst and bad jokes.
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You have a terrifying icon.

Good job 😊👍🏻

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Thank you!!!!!! You did not ask for context, but I'm going to give it anyway because I think it's neat:

My icon is a panel from Robin #10, which is part of the Zero Hour story. The time stream gets a little bit wibbly-wobbly, so Tim gets to team up with Robin!Dick who gets transported from the past.

Dick starts asking questions, and it's all very innocuous, until a certain recently-dead Robin comes up and Tim totally freezes.

I was screaming when I read this. Nobody talks about Jason. EVER. Bruce and Nightwing!Dick are still reeling from the loss. They haven't even begun to mourn him. Tim obviously has his own small portion of grief, but he doesn't really know how to talk about it, so he just changes the subject.

Dick starts showing off and flipping around as he is wont to do, and Tim begins to feel extremely inadequate in comparison. He is too bold, and he makes a stupid mistake, which only adds to his insecurities. Dick has to rescue him, and then we get this page:

So now Tim is embarrassed on top of being jealous, and frustrated, and insecure, and amidst all these teenaged emotions, he goes to charge recklessly onward without a plan... you know... the exactly thing that Jason gets blamed for doing which (allegedly) causes his death?

Seeing all of this unchecked emotion in the other Robin, Dick tries to reach out and refocus him by asking his name. He tries to appeal to Tim personally and logically, but when that doesn't work, he evokes another name– Jason.

Dick doesn't know anything about this future, or what happened to the guy who replaced him, but he's still a detective. He's still Robin. There's no way he didn't clock Tim's reaction the first time this mysterious boy was brought up.

It was a calculated risk, but it pays off when Tim freezes just like he did before. Then there's that panel of him in silhouette, his eyes masked in the eerie green of the night-vision lenses. The drops of water that still cling to his skin foretell of the cold sweat that now comes over him. He's totally arrested by this sad mixture of fear and guilt that Jason Todd has come to represent.

Nobody talks about Jason. No one is able to mourn this boy because the tragedy of losing him is just too big. The pain and the grief is too big, and their silence somehow twists the story. Jason Todd becomes a cautionary tale used to frighten little birds.

That one panel contains so much tragedy, trauma, guilt, and fear, and you're right– it is terrifying, and I fucking love it.

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I have a lot a LOT of feelings about the idea of Jason having gaps in his memories because of the trauma of dying and his resurrection and dip in the Lazarus pit….and some of those memories including key bonding/brother moments with Dick that could drastically change the relationship adult Jason and Dick have….but that only Dick actually remembers. 

(With perhaps Dick not even being aware that Jason has gaps in his memories, because of how much Jason prioritizes not letting any potential vulnerabilities show after his return, due to his trust issues).

Like. Just.

The POSSIBILITIES.

Like, I’m just thinking about that one specific photo of Dick and Jason going skiing one time, that Dick’s looking at while drunk and grieving Jason after the Last Laugh story:

Imagine Jason coming across this picture at Dick’s place when he happens to be there (reluctantly) because they’re sharing information on a case.

And Jason starts freaking out, (but only internally, can’t show weakness, ever, not even with family, especially not with family) because HE DOESN’T REMEMBER THIS. Like. AT ALL.

But he genuinely doesn’t think Dick caught him snooping and even realizes Jason’s seen it, so even being paranoid, Jason can’t honestly convince himself that Dick like, faked the photo and planted it for him to find for some manipulative purpose…..no matter how much he tries to tell himself that its some kind of trick, in the days and weeks that follow.

Because the thing is, Jason KNOWS that he has gaps in his memories, he’s aware, that’s not a revelation to him….like, he died. There are repercussions to that. The brain’s a tricky thing, even mysterious resurrections and mystical Lazarus waters can’t regrow lost memories from brain cells lost and magically restored in function, if not necessarily in perfect replica.

Its just….its never before occurred to Jason that he might be missing memories with Dick, specifically. Its not like he forgot Dick. He still remembers interacting with him from before, the older brother who was as much reputation as he was a presence, distant because of his issues with Bruce but decent enough the times he was actually around Jason…..enough for Jason to feel like he was actually his brother, his family, but not enough for Jason to feel like he was as much his family as Dick always seems to try to pretend.

Except now he can’t stop wondering if there might be more to that just than his older brother trying to willfully review the past through rose-colored glasses.

He remembers Dick giving him his Robin costume and his blessing, that night they first teamed up to take down that drug lab together. Dick giving him his phone number and advising him to call whenever he felt like griping about Bruce, not to keep it bottled up inside.

He just doesn’t remember ever using it.

But he also remembers the one or two times he teamed up with the Titans, and how….familiar Dick feels in those memories, how familiar he acted with Jason, like it wasn’t strange or unexpected for him to reach out and ruffle Jason’s hair with a friendly grin. Like it just made sense, like of course he would do that.

He remembers how Dick used to call him Little Wing, still tries to whenever he thinks Jason’s in the right mood not to get pissed at him for either the name or the attempt, Jason’s never forgotten that….

But now that he’s thinking, now that he’s trying to pinpoint things, he can’t for the life of him remember when that name began. Where it began. How it began. Because it had to have begun somewhere, it was too natural, unforced, even in the earliest memories Jason has of actually hearing it come out of Dick’s mouth.

And he remembers the way Dick offered to take the fall for him with Bruce, if Bruce caught Jason returning from his last unsanctioned adventure with the Titans. Again, the ease and familiarity with which Dick cheerfully told Jason to just throw him under the bus if Bruce gave him any grief, tell the old man how it took Jason and the entire Titans to bail Dick’s ass out of the fire. Given how defensively independent Jason is himself, one of the traits he and Dick have always had in common, its strange to him now, to look back on that and notice the total lack of argument on his own part, how he just…accepted this offer from the older boy without protest. Like it was an argument they’d had many times before and Jason had reluctantly learned to just accept when offered, allowing himself to bask in that small, quiet glow of feeling protected, looked out for…treasured.

And it occurs to him now….that he doesn’t remember ever getting in trouble with Bruce for that. He remembers getting home just before Bruce, Alfred agreeing to cover for him with a knowing glint and an approving nod….Bruce being too distracted by coordinating the JLA’s response to the entire world waking up from Brother Blood’s mass hypnosis. Sure, the Batman was the world’s greatest detective and knew practically everything….but only the things he looked for, looked into….and it wasn’t like the two eldest sons of the Bat were lacking in the stealth and subterfuge department.

And suddenly, picturing that photo in his mind’s eye, him and Dick standing on the slopes of some ski trail, smiling in a way he never remembers smiling but can match close enough when he tries it now, practicing in the mirror…

….reflecting on the fact that he doesn’t remember ever skiing in his life but he just knows without knowing how, now that he’s thinking on it….he does know how to ski, he might not be OIympic medal-worthy any time soon, but he’s got the basics down, if he strapped on a pair he wouldn’t be making a fool of himself like….like….

….the memory darts in and out of his reach like the silver-flashing scales of a fish that refuses to be caught by hand, no matter how long he fumbles downstream through this river of uncertainty and regrets…half-glimpsed flicker-shadows of a snapshot in time, a window to a past where he did make a fool of himself, was laughed at for clumsy attempts but in a way that didn’t feel sharp, carried no bite, no sting, just….the joy of a boy, maybe two boys, two brothers, just playing and having fun.

And thinking back to that particular escapade with the Titans, his second team up with them but only the first having been endorsed by Bruce, unable to think of a time when Bruce has ever referenced even being aware of the latter….

It suddenly occurs to Jason to wonder if two sons of the oh so knowing Batman could have snuck away from his often crowdingly perceptive eyes more than just once.

If they were so inclined.

Wanting to bond, to know each other, to share their time and brotherhood without needing the sanction of the father whose conflict with the elder kept such a shadow cast over so much of their time spent together.

Suddenly, Jason catches himself thinking back over all the times Bruce was away for a day or two, a weekend, a whole week, caught up in offworld missions or adventuring in other dimensions, or sometimes just stuck unable to get out of a corporate retreat….and with Alfred most likely more than willing to cover for them, surely approving of any and all camaraderie between his two grandsons….it strikes Jason then, to wonder if they could have possibly hidden something as big as a ski trip from Bruce.

Almost without prompting, Jason’s mind starts fitting together pieces, outlining contingencies, orchestrating routes and schedules and stratagems for doing just that….

As if the challenge was reason enough to try.

And with the attempt carrying that now familiar tug toward a trail laid down long ago. One he’d walked before. And just forgotten about until now.

He starts feeling around for the other missing pieces, the gaps, the places where things don’t connect, where things he knows and things he remembers fail to line up, to fall into place. No matter how much investigation he’d done into his own past, into Bruce’s schedules and itineraries when retracing steps and trying to fill in the puzzle pieces of his mind when he’d first prepared his return to Gotham years before, with all it entailed. Know thy enemy, after all. Know thyself.

Funny how often in his case, those two felt like one and the same.

Because now, picturing those missing pieces, those gaps, and slotting in the third variable, the one he’d never before thought to factor in as likely all that significant….

Dick, his brother, who after all, had been there all along, even if ‘there’ didn’t necessarily mean under the same roof…

All too easily a much clearer, much more coherent picture starts to form.

One that casts so much light on things he couldn’t see and so much shadow on things he’s long believed. 

One that means that maybe, perhaps, more than likely….there was more to his older brother’s claims of brotherhood than he’d given credit to previously.

Maybe there had been all along.

And with a pang in his chest that hurts far more than it should, if based just off of things Jason remembers rather than things that he feels, that he believes, that he knows

Suddenly Jason can’t help but wonder what all his denials of said brotherhood, all his dismissals of past times spent together and past bonds spoken of…

How might they look, to an older brother who clearly remembered all those very things Jason was only now struggling to glimpse?

One who had no reason to suspect they were any less clear for his younger brother, given the lengths Jason had gone to…ensuring that even the slightest hint of anything that might be construed as a weakness was scrubbed from all evidence…before each and every time he interacted with his older brother, so often his enemy maybe never his enemy.

How could they look, Jason wonders now, still stuck on that single frame of a ski trip’s snapshot - on a Polaroid of all things, an anachronistic choice of record keeping….unless one was desiring to leave no digital trace - what could all those denials and dismissals look like without that critical insight, that knowledge of memories missing….

Besides just….rejection?

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Okay wait, is Brothers in Blood actually.... good?

I mean, we all know how wacky that story is, but I've just been thinking about it a lot, and I'd like you to come on another journey with me while I over-analyze and give this arc way too much credit.

((Warning: we will be discussing Jason's canonical tentacles below the cut.))

Part One: Context. It's not just for the birds.

Brothers in Blood happens roughly a year and a half after Dick lets Tarantula kill Blockbuster. He's real fucked up about it, and feels responsible for that death, and sort of hates himself for allowing it to happen. The fucking BATMAN calls him out and tells him to get his shit together. That's how you know it's bad.

Nightwing #117

"You know the difference between shooting a bullet and failing to step in front of one."

Batman's being all angry and imposing, but he's really just telling Dick to forgive himself and admonishing his son for putting himself in danger because of a stupid mistake. Bruce knows all about letting grief ruin your life; he doesn't want Dick to go down the same path.

So Dick takes a year off. He puts away the suit and just tries to live a normal life. He leaves the ashes of Blüdhaven behind and moves back to New York. Things are going pretty good until they're not. Dick is in the process of finding a new place and reconnecting with old friends, when his sabbatical is suddenly (and murderously) cut short.

Part Two: Imitation is the severest form of flattery.

This is a Nightwing comic, so clearly Dick is our hero. Jason is celebrating the one year anniversary of stuffing a duffel bag full of human heads, so it's a pretty safe bet to say he'll be playing a villain. But it's a little more nuanced than that.

While Dick was away, Jason saw a bird-shaped void and opted to fill it the only way he knows how: by stealing Dick's costume and doing what Nightwing won't.

Nightwing #118

"Only one person whose attention I'm interested in..."

The true villains of this arc are the Pierce brothers. They own and operate multiple nightclubs, as well as a human trafficking ring, and plenty of other nefarious ventures. They also happen to employ all of the scumbags that Jason hunts down and kills. However, the Pierce brothers are notably two people, not one; ergo, it is not their attention Jason is interested in.

The person he's trying to get to is Dick, and boy, is he really getting to him. Dick is absolutely furious, but more on that later. Suffice it to say: Jason has his attention now.

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Jason teases that they should share the mantle and keeps calling Dick "partner". He even taunts him about (big air quotes) "killing Blockbuster." By antagonizing him thusly, Jason is pulling Dick back into the life. He's forcing Dick to end his hiatus and be the hero he knows his brother to be.

Obviously, Jason's motives aren't entirely selfless. My guess is that he's only half-way joking about partnering up. The past year has been extremely lonely for him. He had his big show down with Bruce which quite literally blew up in his face, and we don't really know what he did after that. It was probably just a lot of bed rest and self loathing.

After Jason stops being useful as a plot device, Dick just leaves him behind to face the bad guy alone in an altered physical state (if you know what I mean). Dick tells his companion Cheyenne that the building is going to blow up, and she immediately says "What about Jason?", to which Dick responds "Jason'll have to take care of Jason this time." AND THEN HE JUST FUCKIN' DIPS.

That's literally the last time we see Jay in this story. For some reason they decide to tie that loose end up with a letter which reads:

"Dear Dick-bird. I survived and I'm all back to normal in case you're interested. Leaving town to find my own way. Thanks for coming for me, brother. I know we don't agree on much. I just wanted to believe we could be family again."

It's sort of difficult to read tone from a telegram, but if we assume that Jason is being genuine, this is just incredibly sad. The only reason why he was in New York was to try and rebuild his relationship with his brother, who just ended up abandoning him all over again.

Part Three: The best offense is a good defense mechanism.

It is a well-known fact that when it comes to killing, Batman is a sanctimonious asshole (Jason's words, not mine). While Dick tries his best not to murder people, he's not nearly as anal about it as his mentor. So I guess my question is: why is he being such a dick to Jason about it?

The answer is a little something psychologists like to call PROJECTION. Dick is gathering up all the things he doesn't like about himself and projecting those traits onto Jason. So much so that he literally sees him as a demon with horns and fangs.

Nightwing #119

Let it never be said that Brothers in Blood is subtle.

When Jason shows up wearing his colors and slaughtering people, Dick's secret shame is all the sudden front page news. Now all of New York City knows that Nightwing is a killer... but Dick's known that for a while-- and he still hates himself for it.

So all of this vitriol and hostility is only partly directed at Jason, but that doesn't make it hurt any less when he accuses his brother of being on drugs.

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...way harsh. Like, I know it's 2006. It was still cool back then to joke about being on crack, but considering how Jason's mom died, this feels like Dick is just poking the homicidal bear.

I already mentioned in Part Two how he leaves Jason to fight the bad guy alone in a building that's about to blow up, but really I think the shittiest thing Dick does here is when he says this:

Nightwing #119

My jaw dropped when I read that. On the next page, he says he'll put Jason at the bottom of the East River. I was so tempted to just write this off as an OOC piece of shit story, but if we're jumping through all these hoops to redeem it anyway, I'll just say this:

Dick is experiencing a lot of anger (something that's actually very much in character for him) and in his anger, he says and thinks some things that he doesn't actually mean.

We could also chalk this up to projection again, and say that Dick is really wishing he himself had died. It's still not great, but it's a little more palatable to me if you want to think about it that way.

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If you would all indulge me for .2 seconds, it's time to be an art nerd again.

In Batman #655-656 Alfred and Bruce attend a charity fundraiser in a London gallery space exhibiting Lichtensteinian Pop Art. The paintings are not only a nice homage to comics books, but it also functions as a commentary of what's happening in each scene:

We first see this when Alfred is contemplating a work. On the wall behind him is a big painting of a red question mark, as if to say he is puzzled or confused by what he's looking at.

Next, we see it with the two women who are acting as Bruce's arm candy for the night. Behind them is a huge picture which describes the women: "VERY HOT".

Things begin to heat up (see what I did there?) when Jezebel Jet arrives. The giant "WOW!" of the painting behind her could be in reference to one of two things: her surprise at seeing Bruce Wayne, or her impressive décolletage. It bears repeating: WOW!

Suddenly!!!!! Ninja Man-Bats!!!!!

There's one painting that's going 😱 while another shouts "INCOMING!"

We get an "OUCH!" when Batman puts the hurt on 'em, but this next one is my absolute favourite:

While Batman readies his grapple and lines up his shot, Mickey takes aim with a rife, muttering "Just a little closer." At the right moment, the point of view switches angles to reveal a painting on the other wall that shouts "BLAM!"

It was just really neat how the artworks interacted with the scenes. The bright colors and the Ben Day dots were just SO COOL and so referential. I loved seeing these little pops of old school comic strip style in 2006 Batman.

Okay, rant over. Carry on.

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"I want him to know it was me."

I've got feelings about Jason and Bruce's relationship, so let's talk about it. As always, I'm mixing up my own continuity cocktail of pre-crisis and post-crisis and adding just a little splash of headcanon for color.

The year is 1984. The comic is Batman #368

We all know this issue as the debut of Jason Todd as Robin. More accurately, it's his first appearance as an official Batman-sanctioned Robin. (See #366 when Jason steals Dick's uniform and flies to Guatemala).

Anyway, this issue starts with the first and (to my knowledge) the last voluntary and consensual passing of the Robin mantle. Isn't that fun?

Jason is ecstatic and goes to change into his newly bequeathed colors while Bruce and Dick exchange misty-eyed nods. There's fatherly hands on shoulders and lumps in their throats and it's all very sweet.

Dick shares with Bruce a hearty handshake before leaving the cave. Over his shoulder he calls out one final farewell: "So long, Robin. Be great." And when Dick's footsteps finally fade into the shadows:

Jason shares his worries about not receiving any credit for his acts. He knows that this is selfish, and he admits to being ashamed that he even said it. He's being incredibly honest and vulnerable with Bruce, which is something I feel we don't get to see often enough.

Bruce gives an obligatory speech about how Jason will be serving justice and saving lives. He says that with this job, there is no room for a big ego. But he also says "No need to be so hard on yourself, Jay."

And in a shocking twist, Good Parent Bruce Wayne is equally honest and vulnerable and shares this little anecdote with his son:

Bruce lays a gloved hand on the new Robin's narrow shoulders, and tells him in earnest that it gets easier. He says that with every innocent life saved, that need for recognition feels less urgent. With every look of relief and gratitude on the faces of would-be victims, the glory seems less important.

(and stepping into headcanon land:)

Jason takes a deep breath, and puts on a smile. "I know you're probably right, Batman... about it getting easier?"

His smile sinks into something closer to a grimace. "And I want to believe all that stuff you said about seeing the gratitude on people's faces, and--"

Jason's bitter laugh comes out as a huff. He looks down at his hands which fidget nervously in their brand new green gloves. When he continues, his voice is little more than a whisper.

"I want to help people... I-I want to be great, just like Dick said." Trying and failing to meet Bruce's gaze, Jason throws his eyes up to search the vaulted shadows of the cave. "It just sucks that no one will know it's really me."

Bruce is reminded, not the last time, that Jason is not Dick. The same lectures he gave the first Robin won't work half so well this time around. Jason's situation is fundamentally different. The kid is stepping into a pair of well worn shoes that won't be easy to fill. Bruce sighs, and pulls his son into a hug.

"You're beginning with a rich legacy behind you, Jason, and no one can ever know who's behind that mask." He rests his chin on top of the lad's head, and squeezes as if he could draw out every last bit of self-doubt. "... but I'll always know it's really you... and I will be so proud."

(and stepping back into canon:)

Seven-odd years have passed, and a countless number of odd things have happened. Jason was gone. He was dead... but then he comes back.

He comes back to loneliness, and hunger, and so much pain. He comes back to a world that he does not recognize, and he comes back to a Batman who is so different from the one he left behind.

Talia has been warned of the so-called "Pit Madness". Her father has told her of the rage and darkness that now live in young Jason's heart. He has told her that she's unleashed a pestilence upon the earth.

But her father is wrong. It is not rage that burns in Jason's heart, but a cold and calculated revenge.

One week later, and all the pieces are in place: Batman is six blocks away, staking out a bunch of Penguin's men, waiting on a weapons seller who will never show. This gives Jason just enough time to plant the bomb on the Batmobile. A combination of Lead Azide and RDX placed six inches behind the back left tire. As close as he can get to the fuel line. And then, all there is to do is wait until the bastard arrives.

Jason watches as the Bat makes his approach. He glares through the slatted window with his thumb hovering just above the button. He waits for his moment.

Batman walks wearily toward the car. Towards safety. Towards home. He doesn't yet sense any danger. He doesn't yet see Death lurking before him. He opens the door.

You made this happen. Jason thinks, his thumb pressing every so sightly upon the trigger.

You.

And then it happens. Batman enters the vehicle and the time has come.... but Jason can't do.

He did everything right. He planned it all with expert precision. He crossed every 't', and meticulously dotted each and every 'i', but when the moment of his glory is upon him, Jason realizes that it isn't what he wants.

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"It's not what you think," he says to Talia.

"I'm gonna kill him," Jason says, "but he's gonna look me in the eye when he goes."

A cold wind screams across his face, brushing his dark hair into even darker eyes.

"When I take him from this world, I want him to know it was me."

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The New Titans #61

"You can't let a legend die like that, Dick..."

This is going to sound like some Peter Pan Tinker Bell type bullshit, but the thing that made Tim special wasn't ever his big detective brain. It was the fact that he believed in Batman and Robin when no one else did.

Tim's big detective brain was useful in figuring out the Big Secret. It helped him track Batman when Bruce was going off the deep end after Jason's death.

You're quite right in that it's Tim's devotion to what Batman and Robin represents that makes him stand out. Marv Wolfman and Patrick Broderick made sure to hammer that point home throughout A Lonely Place of Dying.

And when Dick won't take up the mantle of Robin again....

Tim does.

I've often said that the reason Tim became Robin is vastly different from the others.

Dick became Robin to bring his parent's killer to justice and to find an outlet for his grief.

Jason became Robin to fight back against the abusers who populated his childhood and to harness his rage into something positive.

Stephanie became Robin to prove to herself and everyone else that she was good enough.

Damian became Robin because he consider it his birthrite.

Tim became Robin to save Batman and to keep the mythos of the Boy Wonder not just alive but deathless.

“Not alive but deathless.”

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So, I haven't read any Cass stuff (I will, I promise!) but with my tenuous understanding of her origin story in mind, I wanted to take a closer look at this exchange from a Death in the Family.

Jason has reason to believe that Shiva Woosan could be his biological mother. Batman helps him track her down, and interrogate her:

Shiva didn't know what this was all about, and to be fair, that was an unexpected direction for this line of questioning to go in, but I'd like to posit something here: Look at her face. Look at her eyes. That's a lot of expression from someone as well trained and thoroughly guarded as Lady Shiva.

I wouldn't expect the world's deadliest assassin to react that strongly unless.... she has had a baby. One that no one was supposed to know about. One that she's been trying to forget for 15 years. How does she cover up this little slip? Deflect with some good old fashioned sarcasm:

Which prompts Batman to do something drastic:

"That's the biggest trouble with this line of work--" he tells us on the next page. "You can't always get the job done, and remain a hero in your own eyes." That line resonates so strikingly with Jason's story later on, but this isn't about Jason.... it's about Cass... maybe.

Batman asks her again, "Have you ever had any children?"

So if we're going by comic book logic here, this truth serum is 100% effective, and Lady Shiva is not Jason's (or anyone else's) mother. The trail has run cold and it's onto the next one.

On the other hand, if we take a more realistic approach, we could say that Sodium Pentothal is a fast acting barbiturate that weakens the subject's resolve and decreases inhibitions. Under it's effect, Shiva would be more compliant, and who knows? She might even tell the truth; however, this drug is not just a truth serum.

By perusing the wikipedia page, you can see that this drug has also been used by psychiatrists to desensitize patients and to "facilitate the recall of painful repressed memories." Memories like leaving your baby to be raised by a madman as a weapon.

What if those weren't just incoherent groans in that second panel? Maybe it was closer to something like "...Cugh... eh...neh...". What if, before regaining control, she started to say "Cain"?

I don't think Shiva was saying "no, I've never had any children." I think she was saying "no, I don't want to remember."

So I fixed it. Cassandra Cain existed in 1988, no retcon necessary. (Did this scene get addressed at all when we discovered who Cass’ mom was? Let me know!)

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🦇 examining bruce wayne + ocd in canon 🦇

after the surprising popularity of my other post, i figured it might be worthwhile to take a look at what makes me think bruce has OCD in the first place! if you ever looked into it yourself, you'll probably be somewhat familiar with what i'm covering. what i hope to do in this post is explain why OCD bruce just... makes sense, to anyone who has doubts or just doesn't know what that looks like.

i'm going to be treating his diagnosis as irrefutable fact for the purposes of this post, so i'm not going to be matching panels up to the DSM criteria to prove it or anything. i'm just going to be looking at a few events in his history and give my perspective on why i think they could be informed by his OCD. there's always gonna be a different interpretation you could make, and that's fine, everybody's valid, bitch, let's get you some fruit!

also: this is not a very nice post!!! it goes through some major points of trauma for bruce, and it will cover some events where he was in the wrong and even acted cruelly. his OCD is not to be used as an excuse for cruel actions, only as an explanation. mental illness does not absolve anyone of responsibility over their actions.

i'm not a psychologist, so i may get some things wrong. i don't claim to be a professional! all i do know is how it feels, for me, to live with this disorder. that's the perspective i will bring to you now.

⚠ content warnings for: direct discussion of violent intrusive thoughts, mentions of child & parental death, self-harm, violence, non-consensual memory erasure, covert surveillance, allegorical racism, general ableism ⚠

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Batman #416

CAN I JUST SAY. I fucking love what's going on here. This issue is jam packed with anger and tension and shifting emotions, and the background color literally shows you what the characters are feeling.

We see it first with Jason. He asks Bruce why Dick has shown up all the sudden after avoiding them like the plague for 18 months. He's angry and bitter, but slowly he lets down his tough-guy façade and says what it is he's really worried about. In a moment of vulnerability he asks: Is Dick going to take Robin away from me?

With Dick, the first shift we see is when he figuratively and literally takes off his mask. He has a lot of anger to deal with during his confrontation with Bruce, and you can literally see his emotional whiplash as he struggles to say what he needs to say without blowing up. Red to yellow to orange and back again, over and over. It's super intense.

After all this back and forth, there is this beautiful series of horizontal panels as Bruce FINALLY lowers his cowl to speak to Dick face to face. In the end, there's still a lot of hurt between them. The red and the gold are all mixed up and it's ugly and messy and still so complicated. Maybe the most fitting background of all is the craggy, rocky brown of the cave wall as Dick walks away.

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lanternwisp
I thought he was generally hated for being a disrespectful punk originally, granted I haven’t read anything with Jason as robin. Why do you think he was hated for being poor? It’s not like Dick came from a wealthy family either. This is an honest question cause I’ve never heard that one till now. And of course dc aimed to create a character that would be liked and resonate with their audience,

…. are you… serious? It is common knowledge and a facet of comic history that classism was a defining aspect to why Jason was mistreated.

“Denny O'Neil described Jason as “an arrogant little snot” on more than one occasion, citing his rough, slangy speech and abrasive personality as reasons why the character had earned himself such a grim fate. Contrast this disruptive, unruly force with the well-spoken character of Tim. Where Jason was homeless and orphaned, Tim is from a wealthy family – his father can afford to buy an Erte lithograph. And Tim is very much an educated child: he reads Art World Today.”

-Mary Borsellino, A lot like Robin if you close your eyes: Displacement of meaning in the Post-Modern Age.

Robin!Jason was consistently a respectful sweetheart, only acting out when triggered by the abuse of women or children. He was retroactively victim blamed and smeared so DC could cover their asses and justify killing off a child, which did have backlash.

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Jason didn’t die because he disobeyed. He died because he went to save his mother (what ANYONE would have done) and she betrayed him. He was murdered and it wasn’t his fault, and the fact that you think he was a brat goes to show that DC’s attempt to cover their tracks by shitting on a child from poverty succeeded.

lmaooo. I can’t. “I haven’t read anything with Jason as Robin, but I’m going to call him a disrespectful punk.”

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Well personally i think this was bound to happen, it’s symptomatic of fundamental issues with DC’s treatment of characters. 

If you haven’t read Jason’s robin run for yourself it’s very easy to fall into the trap.

DC repeatedly tells readers that jason’s murder was his own fault, throughout both tim’s robin run and in the current canon as well. This is obviously unfair and wrong if you actually read the story were he’s killed, where it’s honestly pretty obvious that it wasn’t his fault.

-Jason tried to save his mother when he realised she was being blackmailed by the joker and she unexpectedly betrayed him and watched while joker and his goons beat him (a fourteen year old) half to death. -

Robin’s a symbol of hope, a light to batman’s dark, a masked child because making a better world for the anonymous children of future generations is one of the most human struggles and quests out there. Where Batman’s a symbol of terror to criminals Robin’s a symbol of hope to citizens, he’s the one that stays with them while batman’s beating the criminals.

Robin’s are cheerful and full of laughter and always always hopeful. (At least at this point of canon they were) But it’s Jason’s mother’s cynicism and lack of hope that really kills him.  It’s fucking poetic and horrible.

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